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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Forfarian on Tuesday 10 November 15 11:33 GMT (UK)
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Louisa, known as Lucy, was born in Bradford, Wiltshire, daughter of Joseph Clissold Daniell, gentleman. On 7 August 1847, in Bedminster, Somerset, she married Joseph Duncan. She died in London in 1857.
I have her marriage certificate and the listing of her, aged 24, with her husband in London in the 1851 census.
Can anyone point me at a record of her birth/baptism, and the 1841 census listing please? Edit: I now have the 1841 census listing.
(Please don't get sidetracked into researching Joseph Duncan - I have more information about him than I can cope with, including parentage, birth, baptism, all census records, three other wives, death, probate, will and last but not least his breach of promise of marriage case in 1890.)
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Possible 1841
All born county apart from Joseph
HO107; Piece: 1166; Book: 8;
Bradford Wiltshire;
Joseph Daniell 55 clothier not born county
Elener Daniell 20
Matilda Daniell 20
Francis Daniell 15
Louisa Daniell 14
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Thank you. I have now found a more complete transcription on FreeCEN.
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Possible older sibling?
Edwin Daniell age 37 bn Bradford Wiltshire, living in Oxford Street London in 1851 with wife Ann
HO107 1510 129 22
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1851
Rowes Lodge, Bradford Wiltshire
Joseph Clissold Daniel 68 licensed proprieter and clothier bn Frome Somerset
Edmund Daniel 21 nephew retired(?) cloth worker bn Frome Somerset
Abraham something 53 visitor Retired merchant bn London
Fanny Smith servant
James Smith servant
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Probate index entry
The Will of Joseph Clisild Daniell late of Lympney Stoke in the parish of Bradford in the county of Wiltshire deceased who died 11 March 1862 at Lympney Stoke aforesaid was proved by oath of Henry Spackman of City of Bath surveyor and Land Agent and William Gee of Freshford in the county of Somerset Esquire the executors. Effects under £600
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Thank you, lizdb, that's all very useful.
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Are you still looking for baptism details of Louisa clisild daniell? If so, I may be able to help. I haven't used RootsChat before, so I hope this'll find you.
RW
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Are you still looking for baptism details of Louisa clisild daniell? If so, I may be able to help. I haven't used RootsChat before, so I hope this'll find you.
Thank you. Yes, I have still not seen the full details of this baptism, and I would be extremely grateful to you if you were able to find and transcribe it. Much appreciated.
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I am researching the Tocknell family name in the Wiltshire/Somerset area. In looking up one Sarah Tocknell, I came across the baptism of Louisa Clisild Tocknell, which I rather think must be your Louisa. I accessed Wiltshire C of E births and baptisms, so could see the entry itself, rather than a transcript. It has the following info:
Born 4 Jan 1827, baptised Feb 21 1827. The original entry said Louisa Clisild, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Daniel of Stoke, his occupation being clothier. Then Joseph is crossed out, Daniel is crossed out and substituted with Tocknell (so leaving Sarah Tocknell as the entry), and clothier is crossed out and substituted with servant.
The page in the record refers to baptisms in Limpley Stoke, so I imagine that's what Stoke refers to when their address is given.
I think that might clarify the mystery of Louisa's birth and baptism!
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Thank you so much for that. That is very odd, not least because in 1841 Louisa seems to be living with her father and what looks like three older siblings.
Typical genealogy - one answer, several new questions ;)
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Yes, I saw the 1841 census. Looking at the 1851 census, it seems Mr Joseph Daniell was by then a man of some property. If he had Louisa with a servant (Sarah Tocknell), then perhaps it's not surprising that in the end he took on the responsibility of bringing her up with his other children, and giving her his own family name? There's a Sarah Tocknell living alone in 'Stoke chapelry' - which again I think is Limpley Stoke - in 1841. That's part of the parish of Bradford on Avon, which is where the Daniells were living in 1841.
It does all seem to tie together reasonably well ... particularly with the Clisild connection (which I think I saw elsewhere as an alternative to Clissold when used with the Daniell surname)
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Yes, that all makes sense. He is listed as unmarried in the 1851 and 1861 census, so maybe Eleanor, Matilda and Francis are nieces rather than more illegitimate children.
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Hi. I did a little more investigating ystdy. I found that Eleanor, Matilda and Francis were all three baptised in Limpley Stoke, like Louisa; this time their parents were recorded as Joseph and Sarah Daniel, of Stoke, he a clothier. Francis was baptised Francis Clisild.
It looks very much like Sarah was mother to all four, but she and Joseph were not actually married. However, I also found Sarah Daniell in 1851 in Bradford, Wilts, with both Matilda and Francis in the household. Meantime Joseph was living somewhere else in Bradford.
Eleanor and Matilda both got married (as with Louisa, father at the marriage was recorded as Joseph Daniel(l), clothier). Francis died in Limpley Stoke, in his 30s.
Hope this is of interest for you!
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Thank you, yes, that is very interesting. Strange goings-on in the Daniell family indeed.
Though it's principally Louisa's husband who is of interest to me. He is the one related to me and he seems to have been a rather disreputable and not entirely truthful gentleman. Is he of interest to you?
BTW someone else has now sent me an image of the original of Louisa's baptism record.
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Thanks, but the disreputable Mr Duncan is very much on the outer reaches of what I'm looking at! I was being side-tracked as it was with Louisa ...
Bye now
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Thanks for your help, anyway. Much appreciated.