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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: thomo7 on Friday 13 November 15 10:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, Please excuse errors, I'm pretty new here.
I'm searching for my husband's family. His grandparents arrived in Australia from England and Scotland as young children and met and married in Australia. The Scottish line is progressing well thanks to help from other researchers!
The English, 'Thompson's' are a little more challenging. I'm hoping the more unique name 'Cadwell' is significant somewhere several of the Thompson family have Cadwell as a middle name. This is what I have so far.
1.Richard Cadwell Thompson b 1904 Houghton-le-Spring. His parents;
2.James Thompson b 1873 West Rainton, Pittington, Durham and
3.Rebecca Robbins (1st marriage to F Robbins & 3 sons) ms Turnbull b 1868 Little Town, Durham.
James T's; (I think)
4. James Thompson 1857 West Rainton, D and,
5. Ellen est 1854 Rainton
Rebecca R's parents;
6. Alexander Turnbull b 1841 Wreckenton, D and,
7. Elizabeth b 1839 Pittington, D (lived Albion St, Murton East)
Unfortunately, the 'parishes' thoroughly confuse me, and my understanding of the geography of Durham is thanks to g maps.
I'm hoping someone might have information on some of these as I seem to be going around in circles. Also if anyone is aware of the connection of the Cadwell family to any of these that would be great!
Cheers and thanks in advance, JT
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Hi what information are you looking for?
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Hi Durhamgirl73, confirmation of James and Ellen as being James Thompsons parents...I haven't found anything conclusive.
Also if anyone knows of a Thompson husband with a Cadwell wife..
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If you go to http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/AdvancedSearchPlacenames.aspx and put in a place name the map will show you the parish and adjacent parishes. Alternatively you can go to http://maps.familysearch.org/ which will list the parishes if you click on Durham County.
Stan
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You can see Albion Street, East Murton at http://maps.nls.uk/view/101099801#zoom=4&lat=2592&lon=6878&layers=BT
Stan
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Hi Stanmapstone - will have a look. When there's several people by the same name I try to narrow it down by their addresses :) Thanks for the links - cool will check out Albion street too. cheers
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Bear in mind that the link to Caldwell may be a little tenuous?!
I have an ancestor, whose middle name is the maiden name of his grandmother!
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So you have James Thompson married to Rebecca Robbins Mar qtr 1898 Houghton le Spring.
And children:
Edith, Jun qtr 1898 Houghton
James, Sep qtr 1899 Houghton
Alexander, Jun qtr 1902 Durham
Richard Cadwell, Sep qtr 1904 Houghton
Albert, Dec qtr 1906 Houghton
Emigration: November 1912 arriving in Australia 1913. Is this the family as you know it?
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If that's the right group then we have:
James Thompson b c 1873-4 West Rainton (per 1901) or 1871-2 Cornforth (per 1911 free index).
Rebecca b c 1868-9 Littletown (per 1901) or Seaham (per 1911 free index)
1901 ref: RG13/4684/39/30
1891 shows "Rebbaca Robbins" with previous husband Fredric. She is 23 b Littletown.
Have you obtained James & Rebecca's marriage certificate for paternal (etc) details?
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James T's; (I think)
James Thompson 1857 West Rainton, D and,
Ellen est 1854 Rainton
I can see Ellen b abt 1853-4 Rainton/West Rainton, as follows:
1881 in Hetton le Hole: Ellen Thompson wid 27 with sons James 7, George 5, William 2.
1891 in Hetton le Hole: Ellen Thompson wid 37 with sons James 17, George 15, William 12.
What's the source for the children's father being a James?
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Durham Records Online has a baptism for a James Thompson in Houghton le Spring district 1873, abode West Rainton. This result comes up positive in a free search specifying mother as Ellen, but if you add in father James there is no result.
You'd need to purchase the record to see full details.
www.durhamrecordsonline.com
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Durham Records Online has a baptism for a James Thompson in Houghton le Spring district 1873, abode West Rainton. This result comes up positive in a free search specifying mother as Ellen, but if you add in father James there is no result.
You'd need to purchase the record to see full details.
www.durhamrecordsonline.com
I haven't looked at the record but the father was John. All guesses & suppositions without a certificate, but I note that William was born Hendon c1879 and there is a death of a John Thompson aged 26 registered 1880 in Sunderland.
A possibility for John Thompson living in West Rainton in 1871, born 1852 Axby (?) Yorkshire & possibly living in Ingleby Barwick, Stockton in 1861, place of birth looks like Acksley, Yorkshire.
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Hi KGarrad, I'm hoping that there wasn't a family spelling error along the way and the surname Cadwell was correctly passed on rather than Caldwell. I realise there are lots of Caldwells around the area but not that many Cadwells.
the family members I'm familiar with are all Cadwell. Just trying to work back with the basis that you mentioned, that it was probably someone's maiden name way back. the question is 'whose?'
Cheers, JT
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Hi Avm228,
Yes all the right people so far! I don't have the marriage cert for James and Rebecca, but I have the birth cert. for Richard Cadwell, so I know they're the right parents at least. Their address was 50 Brickgarth, Easington Lane at the time of his birth.
My father-in-law remembers the uncles & aunt Edith and at least one of the Robbins 'step-uncles' as he came to Australia too. Due to budget, :) I'm hoping to skip a generation's certs. here and there but I may have to order the marriage cert you mention for further confirmation as there are a few possibilities for James T's parents, although I'm pretty certain that Rebecca Turnbull is the daughter of Alexander Turnbull and Elizabeth ?.
thanks for the confirmations so far. Cheers, JT
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Hi Jomot, Avm228 & others!,
You're right James was really only supposition, I did have John pencilled in as a possibility but nothing further. There are so many James' I keep getting my generations mixed up!
This is also where the geography throws me, I have to keep referring to maps on-line to check where each town is and half the time, I'm not sure if it's a street name, town name or parish area etc.
And sorry posted my last comment before I realised there were more comments :)
Cheers, JT
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Apologies if you know this, but it is much cheaper to order certificates directly from the General Register Office than to go through a commercial outfit:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
And of course you can usually get the index references from www.freebmd.org.uk
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Hi SelDen, thanks for that - I have ordered one certificate through gro but wasn't sure about the references from freebdm. Good to know. cheers
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Hi SelDen, thanks for that - I have ordered one certificate through gro but wasn't sure about the references from freebdm. Good to know. cheers
It's a UK site, so it's FreeBMD!
We do it chronologically - Birth, Marriage, Death. ;D ;D
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haha, thanks point taken! I would have clicked the link anyway :) Cheers, JT
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In 1881, widowed Ellen and children are living in the same house as a James and Hannah Middleton and family. Hannah and most of the Middleton children are born Rainton, same as Ellen and her two eldest children. I think this is Ellen's parents and siblings
There is a marriage Dec qtr 1871, Durham, Ellen Middleton and John Thompson (confirmed on Durham Registrars site that these two married).
1861 census, Wharton St., Coundon,
James Middleton, 33, Coal Miner, b. Ireland, Co. Down,
Hannah Middleton, wife, 30, b. West Rainton,
Mary Jane Middleton, dau, 11, Scholar, b. West Rainton,
Ellen Middleton, dau, 7, b. West Rainton,
James Middleton, son, 4, b. West Rainton,
Thomas Middleton, son, 2, b. West Rainton,
John Thompson, Boarder, 19, Coal Miner, b. Ireland, Co, Down.
RG 9/3709/35/7
The John Thompson living with the Middletons may or may not be Ellens future husband, need the marriage cert to confirm.
In 1871 census, Ellen Middleton, 17, b. Rainton, is a Domestic Servant in Framwellgate, Durham.
You have Ellen in 1881 and 1891.
1901 census, Smiths Place, Sherburn, Durham,
Richardson Cardwell, Wid, 49, Coal Hewer, b. Ireland,
Joseph Cardwell, son, 15, Water Leader Farm, b. Sherburn,
Bella Cardwell, dau, 14, b. Sherburn,
Sarah A. Cardwell, dau, 9, b. Sherburn,
Ellen Thompson, Servant, wid, 48, Housekeeper Domestic, b. W. Rainton,
RG13/4684/109/24
A marriage Lanchester 1903, Ellen Thompson and Richard Cardwell. Durham Registrars site has Ellen Thompsons fathers surname as Middleton. Search for them in 1911.
Alan.
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Also, in 1891 census, widowed Hannah Middleton and 3 of her sons are on the previous page to Ellen Thompson and her 3 sons.
Alan.
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Hi Wolfie Smith, Thanks for the input :) I had seen Ellen Thompson servant but not found the others.
I know the name could have been mis-spelt but I was hoping to find Cadwell rather than Caldwell :)
I haven't had time to go through the rest that you've put up yet but I will and come back and post...the dates get a bit too close to those I have confirmed though.
The definites I have are James Thompson dob 1872/73 m Rebecca Robbins ms Turnbull est dob 1868/69. and their children (including son Richard Cadwell Thompson 1904) so the Ellen Thompson m to Richard Caldwell in 1903 would be too late...
Thanks for your information..will keep working through it :) Cheers JT
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In the 'Marriage Transcripts 1538-1973' there is a record of a marriage between Robert Thompson and Ann Cadwell in 1744 at Christ Church, Tynemouth, Northumberland. This can be confirmed in the Christ Church marriage records which are online and also adds the date as 23 Dec.
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Hello JT,
The Ellen Thompson who married Richard Cardwell in 1903 (its Cardwell, not Cadwell or Caldwell) is James Thompson's widowed mother. So it seems Richard Cadwell Thompson, born 1904, was named after his Step Grandfather.
Alan.
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Hi Johndwadsworth and WolfieSmith, sounds reasonable re; Ellen Thompson, I'm still crazy busy so will read it all again in next day or two to get a clearer pic. and re the Cadwell connection, thanks for that too. I'll have a look at working forward too.
I'll get back to you asap. Thanks again, cheers JT