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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: anneelaine on Saturday 14 November 15 01:49 GMT (UK)
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My friend and I are looking into doing her family tree we have only a bit of info
1st her grandfather was a William Patrick King born around 1894 and his wife was Ethel Mary King born around 1897 William and Ethel had a daughter called Joan King William had a brother his name was Joseph King who went to live in new york
All From we think it looks like
Ballaghymurry Ballymoe Galway we are not getting anywhere with it
Would love a bit of help please Thanks, Anne- Elaine & Ann.
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You have the place name correct but these are the only King's there in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Ballymoe/Ballaghymurry/459654/
And 1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Ballymoe/Ballaghymurry/1381499/
I wonder if your family could have inherited this farm at a later date.
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and a few 70 y.o.+ applying for Pension!!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ghd/
71 Wills for Kings that DIED in Galway
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ghe/
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Was KING Ethel's maiden name?
Do you have William and Ethel's marriage certificate?
This will show their father's names and occupations (usually unless marked deceased) and would help with your search
1901 Census
for William aged 6 +/- 5 years (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=king&exact=&firstname=william*&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=6&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=firstnameSort&pageSize=100)
for Ethel aged 4 +/- 5 years (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=&census_year=1901&surname=king&firstname=ethel*&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=4&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=)
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Hi
myluck!, No sorry I have got not a thing just the names
Thank you all for your help We have a Bit more to go on now
Thanks Anne Elaine & Ann.
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Joan's birth cert should confirm their names
I don't see a marriage for them on Irish records.
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My friend said the marriage was in Chester 1914 she is Going to phone me later with a surname for her if she can. My friends mother was Joan, But know's nothing about her family and the farm maybe it was not theirs, But she said her mother said it was never sold she did not know where it went so maybe it was just rented? in Ballaghymurry Ballymoe Galway We are looking to find Joan King Family in Galway William Patrick King born 1894 ( Joan was born in Chester ) thank you
Anneelaine & Ann
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Found this But William Patrick King not on it
1901
Residents of a house 1 in Ballaghymurry (Ballymoe, Galway)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
King James 75 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
King Catherine 77 Female Wife Roman Catholic
King John 50 Male Son Roman Catholic
King Thomas 28 Male Son Roman Catholic
Report any error in transcription
Ty Do not know what to think now where is he
Anneelaine Ann
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Hi, myluck! Sorry forgot to give you names for Joan Kink parents it was William Patrick King & Ethel May King as I said he moved to the UK Chester when he got married thanks
Anneelaine & Ann
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I can't see a marriage in Chester for William King in 1914 on Free BMD.
Has your friend got the marriage cert?
If she has what is William's father's name?
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Hello Father name is King do not know first name sorry No she did not have the cert
But he had a brother called Joseph King and he married a girl called Nora, and had a daughter called Margaret, and he went to live in New York do not know when.
Thanks, Anneelaine & Ann.
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She needs to get the marriage cert to have any hope of finding William's family.
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Hi Going to send for the marriage cert? tonight Found her maiden name it is Ethel May Davies
.AE & A
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Hello,
Have you found a marriage?
There is a 1910 marriage for Ethel May Davies to William John Dunning ???
Regards
Heywood
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I don't think the marriage I posted is the right Ethel. There is a death for Ethel Dunning.
There is a marriage in 1923 for William King and Ethel M Tootle. Could that be the marriage?
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There is a Ada M Davies and William G King 1920 Saffron W
I just can't find a William P to a Davies.
There are two William G a William H and a William A all married Davies between 1920 and 1929
a William J and a William M in 1918 but can't see any in Chester or 1914.
I haven't even checked the women's first names yet.
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Hi Guys going to send for marriage cert? tonight thanks all
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I have found it 1914 the back end William king to & Ethel May Davies also I am lost know because I know she was married Before a to a Tootle. Could that be the marriage? so I have two marriages now One in 1914 and 1923 Mmmm::) But thinking about I would say it was 1923 for William King and Ethel M Tootle. thanks everyone
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Just found this for the daughter of William and ethel Joan T King mother ( Davies )
Births
Joan T King
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec of 1926 Chester in the County of Cheshire
Mother's Maiden Name was Davies
Volume 8A, Page No 545, Line 23
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I have found it 1914 the back end William king to & Ethel May Davies also I am lost know because I know she was married Before a to a Tootle. Could that be the marriage? so I have two marriages now One in 1914 and 1923 Mmmm::) But thinking about I would say it was 1923 for William King and Ethel M Tootle. thanks everyone
I can't yet see a King/Davies marriage.
What do you mean 'the back end'?
Are you now saying that you know that Ethel was married to a Tootle? Why was that not mentioned earlier?
I had seen that birth record for Joan King with a mother Davies but as I said, no apparent marriage.
It would be best to send for Joan's birth certificate. It would perhaps explain the two surnames re her mother.
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Cheshire BMD
Marriage 1919
John W Tootle to Ethel May Davies /Ethel May McCooey
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Very puzzling now with all these names :-\
Birth Ethel May McCooey 1898 Wirral.
Baptism St Winefride's Neston January 1898 (born 24 December 1897)
Parents Robert and Mary Agnes McCooey
In the baptism register McCooey has been struck through ??? and mother's maiden name shows as MCooey. I wonder if Robert was really Mr Davies?
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Where did the address in Mayo come from?
I wonder if William's father was a son of James and Catherine and William was born in England.
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Hello my friend has just found this about her grandmother
1898 - so her maiden name was Tootell not Davies
Davies was her 1st married name
When Miss Ethel M Tootell was born about 1898, in Rawtenstall, Lancashire, her father, Mr, was 39 and her mother, Mrs, was 34.
historical document
Discovered by ANN CRUMP in 1 found this
back end I mean Oct Nov Dec
Thanks
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Hi heywood All Ann New was her mother last
name Was King before marriage.
she had the name tootle and Davies in her head but did not know what way round sorry about that She new one was from a first marriage
Annelaine
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Hello my friend has just found this about her grandmother
1898 - so her maiden name was Tootell not Davies
Davies was her 1st married name
When Miss Ethel M Tootell was born about 1898, in Rawtenstall, Lancashire, her father, Mr, was 39 and her mother, Mrs, was 34.
historical document
Discovered by ANN CRUMP in 1 found this
back end I mean Oct Nov Dec
Thanks
??? ??? Ethel May Tootell of Rawtenstall married Harold Beswick in 1926
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haywood it is saying her Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3) is Davies comes up
England and Wales Birth O dear so it must be Davies her maiden name then on her daughter' s Birth cert Joan T V king ( 1926 ) Chester thank you so much
Anneelaine
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You and your friend seem to be very confused about Ethel.
Additionally, you are copying and pasting records e.g the bit about 1911 so that often makes it difficult to follow the information.
Joan's birth certificate should show mother's maiden name and any other names e.g 'formerly ...'
The King/ Tootle marriage would show Ethel's previous name too. You would also then have William's father's name.
I think your friend has the wrong Ethel with the one born in Rawtenstall.
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Hi Yes Just told her this,
She is going to look for her mums birth certificate and find out what names are on it
or order one, if her brother has it
thanks, AnneElaine
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HAYWOOD Just asked her She said I do not know
no one has ever said Neston to me
only on her dad side ::)
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Did Joan have any brothers or sisters?
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Sinann
Her mum just told her the family the Kings were from there so you could be right
Ty Anneelaine
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Going back to the Tootle marriage
John W and Ethel M Davies/McCooey married 1919
Birth Ronald W Tootle 1920 Chester - mother Davies
Death Ronald W 1921
John W Tootle died 1921
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HAYWOOD
Been on the phone to her and said he could be right Parkgate is next to Neston and she said she thinks the mother passed away young and she had to bring up the family it was a big family but a lot passed away early
Joan had 1 sister and 3 brothers Mary King Peter King and Terrence King .
Anneelaine
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I think this could be Ethel in 1911 indexes
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW36-FVP
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;D :D thank you
anneelaine
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Haywood Found this what do you think
So Ethel M Davies remarried 1n 1923 to William Patrick King.
YOU WERE RIGHT with that name Mcooey THANK YOU so much maybe we are on the move now. :)
SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
John W Tootle
mentioned in the record of Davies Of Mccooey and John W Tootle
Name John W Tootle
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1919
Registration District Chester
County Cheshire
Event Place Chester, Cheshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Davies Of Mccooey
Volume 8A
Page 1105
Line Number 53
John W Tootle probably married one of the following people
Name Ethel M Davies
Name Annie Ellis
Name Arthur LindopName
John W Tootle England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name John W Tootle
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1921
Registration District Chester
County Cheshire
Event Place Chester, Cheshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 26
Birth Year (Estimated) 1895
Volume 8A
Page 449
Line Number 60
CITING THIS RECORD
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Yes, I think you should now go ahead and order the marriage certificate for King and Tootle. That will give you the father's name of William King.
What evidence do you have re William coming from Ballymoe, Galway?
Please may I remind you re copy and paste. Not only is it difficult to read, it infringes Rootschat's terms of use.
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HAYWOOD Just asked her She said I do not know
no one has ever said Neston to me
only on her dad side ::)
What do you mean 'only on her dad's side'?
Do you mean that William King had connections to Neston area?
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Is the mother's name Davies or Tootle?
Mary G 1924
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV36-HQWH
Joan T 1926
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV3N-5GQB
Peter M 1929
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV3L-MZQZ
Terence 1934
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVQC-5YWN
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Hi Sinann,
The mother's name is Davies.
It looks as though this is the likely scenario:
1898 Birth Ethel M McCooey
1911 Ethel M Davies - mother remarried or living with a Mr Davies?
1919 married J W Tootle
1919 Mr Tootle died
1923 married William King.
Heywood
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So Ethel had four surnames through her life.
I added Joan to the list above, if they are the correct years they are hopefully the children she had with William King.
Now is it settled which surname she used when she married William?
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Yes.
1923 King/Tootle.
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Well done.
Just have wait for the marriage cert now.
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Hello
Now I Know how to copy & paste will do from now on thanks for telling me,
waiting now the marriage cert looking forward to that thank you so much.
It's only word of mouth Ann's mum took her to see the home when she was younger
Anneelaine
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1911 Ethel M Davies lived with her father so I think that would be the Mr Davies Her Mother passed away young.
Anneelaine
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Unfortunately, we can't discuss 1911 census for copyright reasons - only the indexes but you really need to read the census.
Bear in mind the first name of Ethel's mother.
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Hello, Cannot find her on the 1911 census !!!must be doing something wrong. i can only find Ethel E Davies Neston
Anneelaine
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Are you searching for Ethel Davies born Neston?
I thought you had found her because you mention her 'father'.
You need to get those certificates to ensure that Ethel May MCooey is Ethel May Davies etc.
If you recall, Ethel MCooey's mother was Mary Agnes. Here is the baptism.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3HF-H7Q
The repetition of MCooey in mother's name indicates that the mother's surname is McCooey. The baptism certificate - available on another site- shows that Ethel is illegitimate, I think because the word meaning married has been struck through. The certificate is in Latin.
The name Robert may indicate a father's name or could be made up.
It looks as though Mary Agnes then lived with Mr Davies and Ethel took his name.
Thus is just what I think though - you need the certificates to try to sort it out. I can't find Mary Agnes in earlier censuses either!
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Here is another possibly relevant record
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3HT-ZQQ
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Thanks, Haywood we will have to see what it say on certificates now
Anneelaine