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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Rdmclure on Sunday 15 November 15 22:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm trying to trace my ancestor Angus McLean. He married Sarah McGillivray bef 1855. She was born abt 1821 in Scotland. I don't know if they married before they left Scotland.
I don't know when he came to Prince Edward Island, Canada.
He appears in the 1881 Canada census with his wife and daughter Isabella, she was born on Pei in 1855
Rod Mclure, Pei
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Hi
Do you know where Sarah was born? And Angus as well. :)
I have a baptism of a Sarah McGilvray in 1821 Argyll to James and Mary
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No , I only have the Pei record. I know their children were raised catholic. It is possible Sarah had a brother Hugh.
Rod
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If I had to guess, I would say those are Mull names, Rod. The island of Mull is considered part of Argyll. I have MCLEAN from Mull too.
Mary
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Does daughter Isabella's bc not give reference to when & where married?
We are lucky our scottish birth certs. have this info.
Annie
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Does the death certs not give their father's names & occupations?
1st born would suggest Isabella to be named after one of her grandmother's.
What are the names of subsequent children as this can help if scottish naming pattern was used.
Annie
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I agree that Isabella is likely the given name of one of their first born's grandmothers, with the maternal grandmother being most likely. I want to point out that Sarah is interchangeable with Marion/Sally/Merrin etc. in Scotland, which seems strange I know. You may find her under those names too.
If they turn out to be Mull folks, this is a terrific website. http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/
This one is a great PEI site. My late mother-in-law was a PEI native (Nicholson, Gillis, Walsh, Thomas, Edwards, Gamble etc.) http://www.islandregister.com/
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Other names were
John Angus,
James Andrew,
And possibly Donald
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Do you have Isabella's birth cert & William's marriage & death certs?
Annie
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No, pei did not have certificates in the 1800s, only church records, baptisms. There were marriage licenses but I have not found one for this couple. It is possible they married in Scotland
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Not sure this helps but it might narrow searches down
Saw an article in the Inverness Courier May 12 1859 where recent emigrants to Canada write back to say how wonderful the land is etc
The section declares ''Emigrants from the Island of Lews'' and goes on to say Lewismen who emigrated have written letters. 1 letter was from an Angus MacLean , late of Ness,Lews from his home in Winslow , East Canada
Now I have no idea where either of those named places are - does this move you forward? And if so does it help others narrow a search down?
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David,
If this is the man then yes it narrows the search immensely.
Lewis is across from the Island of Skye. The capital is Stornoway.
Rd,
Have you tried scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a marriage. It may be tricky with surname McGilvray with variants & McLean too.
Annie
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There were a number of Catholics who came from South Uist.
There were only 180 Mcleans on Pei who were listed as catholic in 1881.
There could be other spellings, of course.
If we make the assumption Angus did not come to the island by himself, I will try and find as much as I can about the others. Hopefully he is a relative or neighbour of someone.
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There were many left the Uists & landed on PEI (early 1840's) although I don't know which ship but seem to have settled in St. Peter's area.
Later settlers (1848) sailed on the Lulan but they seem to have settled in Mara Township (Ontario), East & West Williams Township (Middlesex County), McGillivray (sic) Township (Middlesex County), Stephen's Township (Huron), Glenelg Township (Grey County) & probably other areas.
Annie
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I do know that Islanders in particular were very proud of their roots/heritage.
Does anyone you know in the family ever recall any Scottish place names mentioned?
Even if the spelling isn't correct it may help to identify which island.
Annie
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Angus McLean married Sarah McGillivray bef 1855. She was born abt 1821 in Scotland. I don't know if they married before they left Scotland.
I don't know when he came to Prince Edward Island, Canada.
He appears in the 1881 Canada census with his wife and daughter Isabella, she was born on Pei in 1855
How sure are you of Isabella's birth year?
Do you have her age on any other documents with consistency for 1855 as this seems very precise without an actual birth/baptism date to go on?
Annie
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When did Angus die & who was named as his father?
Annie
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Isabelle's baptism is recorded in St George's parish 18 Jul 1855
"aged 3 months old"
(St George's is north of Georgetown)
Angus died some time after the 1881 census, but as I said earlier the Island only had church records, no certificates until abt 1906.
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Can you also give reference as to where/how the names of other's supplied came to be please?
Other names were
John Angus,
James Andrew,
And possibly Donald
Were they siblings of Isabella & was there no date & place of parents marriage on any of them?
Isabella, (1st born) 1855 with mother's birth year c 1821 so mother would have been 34, not impossible but questionable whether she may have been married previously?
What years were the others baptised & are they in order of birth on your list as this may help to identify parents with scottish naming pattern?
When did it become "law" for birth registration in Canada ?
Did Isabella marry, if so, did her marriage give her mother's maiden name or does it give a "previously" name too, if she was indeed married a 2nd time?
Have you looked for the family 1861/71/91/1901 & when did Sarah die?
Where were the family living in 1881 as the deaths/burials may be recorded in the same area?
Annie
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Isabelle's baptism is recorded in St George's parish 18 Jul 1855
"aged 3 months old"
(St George's is north of Georgetown)
Angus died some time after the 1881 census, but as I said earlier the Island only had church records, no certificates until abt 1906.
Sorry, I missed the 1906 date as I was doing other research.
Do you know if the family were elsewhere as well as PEI ?
I found this which made me wonder....as you mentioned a "possible" Donald.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMFV-456
The reason I ask is.......one of my relatives married in Canada & the bride married by her previous marital name although it did say widow & widower which they both were. I only knew her maiden name because her parents names were on the church marriage record which was 1880. He was born in South Uist & I had him traced all the way by census records from his baptism all the way through (although I haven't found him on a passenger list) but it was his Canadian marriage which enlightened me to a previous marriage!!! He was married after the census of 1871 in Scotland, his wife had died 1874 & had been widowed between census & remarried prior to 1881 census in Brant, Ontario.
Annie
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Rd,
Sorry for all the questions (feel as though I'm interrogating you) but all info. is crucial.
Scotland is a Country in it's own right but has 100's of islands too.........looks very small on a map but it isn't as small as it looks, (e.g) I live in east scotland but it takes at least 8/9hrs for me to go to South Uist via car & ferry.
Hebridean islands consist of many Mc/Mac's & M(a)cLean is just one of them.
I'm trying my best to establish which island your family originate from, albeit with every possible question I can come up with.
Annie
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1854 Donald baptised
1855 Isabella
1856 John Angus
? James Andrew no baptism found
There is a Sarah McLean Widow but she is 9 yrs older, living with her nephew Neil McGillivray in 1891 census.
Can't find much on Donald, Isabelle or James Andrew
John Angus is well documented.
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one persons guess was Angus From Birth records 12 Jan 1826
John McLean
Isobel Thomson, Rothesay,Bute
I have no way of knowing one way or the other, I can't even get in to scotlands people right now to see if they were catholic.
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It appears Sarah may have been born in Nova Scotia, not Scotland as indicated on the census.
There is a record of the death of Sarah McLean nee McGillivray 25 Apr 1896.
Her family seems to have come to Antigonish NS from Arisaig, Scotland in early 1800s according to family history
Rod
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Hi, do you know that some of the Scottish that went to Nova Scotia carried on and sailed to New Zealand & Australia? I descend from a Sarah McLean who was born on the way to New Zealand. I will have to look for the info i have as it's on my other computer. But alot of the scottish settled in Waipu & there is some info on the waipu settlers website. There has also been a couple of books written about the families that came out & their Voyage.
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Note, my Sarah would not be the same one as above, but could be a descendant :-) There is definetly an Angus McLean in that side of the family too.