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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: CuriousKat on Monday 16 November 15 10:04 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
Wonder if you could advise me on the best place to stat a search, i'm looking into my husbands nan's side, unfortunately relatives who may have had information have passed away or no nothing so i am going into this clueless!
What info do i have
Ethel Jean Shackleton b1933 Bury d 1997
Ann Shackleton b1936 Bury d 2014
They were the children of Thomas Shackleton & Ethel Saltonstall who married 1931 Bury Lancs.
1 piece of family lore thats interesting though not relevant at this point is that the Saltonstall's were related to Saltonstall's that went over to the US alongside the Mayflower
Anyway hope you can help.
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Newspapers is always a good bet
My ex and I don't talk but I managed to piece together a good gathering of her side , through knowing names and guessing locations
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The marriage certificate of Thomas and Ethel would be a good place to start. That will give you both father's names and occupations. Armed with that information a possible next move would be to find both families in the 1911 census.
Alternatively, or in addition, Thomas and Ethel's birth certificates will give you names of both sets of parents.
FreeBMD would be the place to search for those certificates and they can be purchased from the GRO using the reference numbers found on FreeBMD.
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Just to make a start, looking on freebmd, surprisingly, there are three Ethel Saltonstall births.
The one which might fit in best time wise is the birth in 1912, registered in Todmorden district, with mother's maiden name Diggle. From here you would generally look for a marriage between a male Saltonstall and female Diggle.
You are looking at unusual names here which may make the search easier, but make allowances for mispellings.
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Hi thank's for all of your replies,
I saw the Diggle one & it lead me to Alice Diggle & Milton Saltonstall, the family never seemed to move from Todmorden though that does not rule it out. One thing that was interesting is that a child in this family Gladys Saltonstall in the records for her baptism underneath is an entry for a Lillian Shackleton!
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They were the children of Thomas Shackleton & Ethel Jean Saltonstall who married 1931 Bury Lancs.
There is no middle initial for Ethel on this marriage registration. She seems to have been just Ethel.
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They were the children of Thomas Shackleton & Ethel Jean Saltonstall who married 1931 Bury Lancs.
There is no middle initial for Ethel on this marriage registration. She seems to have been just Ethel.
Your right, so sorry had a brain drain & put down the daughters middle name on the mothers. So sorry. ::)
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Hi thank's for all of your replies,
I saw the Diggle one & it lead me to Alice Diggle & Milton Saltonstall, the family never seemed to move from Todmorden though that does not rule it out. One thing that was interesting is that a child in this family Gladys Saltonstall in the records for her baptism underneath is an entry for a Lillian Shackleton!
Did you ascertain a (precise) birthdate for the Ethel from Todmorden? If so you may be able to match it with a death. E.g. there is a death for Ethel Shackleton in Burnley in 1989 - born 27 March 1912.
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Hi thank's for all of your replies,
I saw the Diggle one & it lead me to Alice Diggle & Milton Saltonstall, the family never seemed to move from Todmorden though that does not rule it out. One thing that was interesting is that a child in this family Gladys Saltonstall in the records for her baptism underneath is an entry for a Lillian Shackleton!
Did you ascertain a (precise) birthdate for the Ethel from Todmorden? If so you may be able to match it with a death. E.g. there is a death for Ethel Shackleton in Burnley in 1989 - born 27 March 1912.
No but this post made me think, the daughter Ann Shackleton married a chap from Bolton & there is a Ethel Shackleton whom died feb 1989 in Bolton born 27/3/1912.
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Sorry you are quite right - the death was in Bolton not Burnley!
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A free search of the 1939 register could help you find out a bit more about Thomas and Ethel
There's only one Thomas Shackleton living with an Ethel Shackleton in Lancashire. The Borough/District is Radcliffe M.B. and the household members are Ethel Shackleton born 1912 and Thomas Shackleton born 1903, and 2 more people who are officially closed (i.e. born after 1915). I'm guessing these are their daughters Ethel and Ann.
I don't know the area well so not sure if this is the right part of Lancashire... but sounds like the birth in 1912 and the death in 1989 could be the right ones.
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If Milton and Alice are the correct parents of your Ethel, then she has three older sisters - Gladys, Nora and Jessie, all born in Hebden Bridge in Yorkshire.
As I think you already know Milton and Alice married in 1902.
Milton is a 23 year old cotton weaver on the 1901 census (born Sowerby) , with his widowed mother Sarah J plus siblings.
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If Milton and Alice are the correct parents of your Ethel, then she has three older sisters - Gladys, Nora and Jessie, all born in Hebden Bridge in Yorkshire.
As I think you already know Milton and Alice married in 1902.
Milton is a 23 year old cotton weaver on the 1901 census (born Sowerby) , with his widowed mother Sarah J plus siblings.
Hebden Bridge is very close to Todmorden.
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A free search of the 1939 register could help you find out a bit more about Thomas and Ethel
There's only one Thomas Shackleton living with an Ethel Shackleton in Lancashire. The Borough/District is Radcliffe M.B. and the household members are Ethel Shackleton born 1912 and Thomas Shackleton born 1903, and 2 more people who are officially closed (i.e. born after 1915). I'm guessing these are their daughters Ethel and Ann.
I don't know the area well so not sure if this is the right part of Lancashire... but sounds like the birth in 1912 and the death in 1989 could be the right ones.
Thank you, this is great :)
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A word of caution: even though the surnames are unusual it is best to confirm everything with original sources. "If" and "probable" can lead to errors.
Don't go wild spending on every BMD certificate under the sun, but I do recommend that you purchase copy certificates for BMDs after 1900. Once you get back to people born before 1900 you will often find that censuses and parish registers are viewable online - either from paysites or a free site such as familysearch or Online Parish Clerks.
As Ruskie advises, Thomas and Ethel's marriage certificate from 1931 will give you parents' names and occupations.
Good hunting.
Philip
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Hello all, i managed to find a family member with a limited amount of information it took a while he's i Canada! Anyway he confirmed that Ethel was infact the child of Milton Saltonstall & Alice Diggle, however...... she was adopted by an uncle & aunt who were unable to conceive. His name was Thomas Howarth & when he died ( no year given) the nephews & nieces of his late wife were the beneficiaries.
Milton, Clara, Elisha & Emma.
Nothing on Thomas Shackleton other than he was born in 1903 & that the family had a furniture shop in Heywood!
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His name was Thomas Howarth & when he died ( no year given) the nephews & nieces of his late wife were the beneficiaries.
Milton, Clara, Elisha & Emma.
I wonder whether the name was in fact Thomas Highley rather than Thomas Howarth?
Milton Saltonstall did, it appears, have a childless aunt on his maternal side. His mother seems to have been Sarah Jane Law (married in 1874 as "Jane" Law to Thomas Saltonstall), born in Sowerby in 1850 to single mother Elizabeth Law who subsequently married a Samuel Lumb and had further children with him.
One of those children, and therefore a half-sister to Sarah Jane Law, was Elizabeth Ann Lumb, married (aged 38) in Halifax on 30 Dec 1899 to Thomas Highley. Records suggest there were no children born to the marriage. Elizabeth died in Cragg Vale in 1919.
Thomas Highley died in 1939 leaving a will. His executor was Emma Greenwood, married woman, possibly nee Saltonstall (Emma Saltonstall married Herbert Greenwood in Todmorden district, Dec qtr 1912).
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Good sleuthing, avm.
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Good sleuthing, avm.
I'll second that! :)
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Nothing on Thomas Shackleton other than he was born in 1903 & that the family had a furniture shop in Heywood!
You need that 1931 marriage certificate for Thomas and Ethel. When we have a father's name we can look for the family in the 1911 census.
It's fairly specific knowing they had a furniture shop. They may be in a directory, but you still need the certificate to be sure (maybe the furniture shop information was passed on by a member of the family and they may have the information wrong as is regularly the case with family stories).
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I have found a William Shackleton married to a Sarah with a son Thomas born around 1904 in Oldham. There are other children born to this couple.
William is a dealer in incandescent goods - unsure how closely related this is to furniture, but as he seems to be a retailer/employer of some sort he may have moved in to furniture at some stage.
I think William Shackleton may have married Sarah Wadsworth (needs checking). William seems to have been born in Heptonstall and Sarah in Hebden Bridge, so maybe the right part of the country to tie in with your family?
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His name was Thomas Howarth & when he died ( no year given) the nephews & nieces of his late wife were the beneficiaries.
Milton, Clara, Elisha & Emma.
I wonder whether the name was in fact Thomas Highley rather than Thomas Howarth?
Milton Saltonstall did, it appears, have a childless aunt on his maternal side. His mother seems to have been Sarah Jane Law (married in 1874 as "Jane" Law to Thomas Saltonstall), born in Sowerby in 1850 to single mother Elizabeth Law who subsequently married a Samuel Lumb and had further children with him.
One of those children, and therefore a half-sister to Sarah Jane Law, was Elizabeth Ann Lumb, married (aged 38) in Halifax on 30 Dec 1899 to Thomas Highley. Records suggest there were no children born to the marriage. Elizabeth died in Cragg Vale in 1919.
Thomas Highley died in 1939 leaving a will. His executor was Emma Greenwood, married woman, possibly nee Saltonstall (Emma Saltonstall married Herbert Greenwood in Todmorden district, Dec qtr 1912).
Hi, this is interesting, i found a record for Mary H Saltonstall 1859 (sister to Thomas & Sarah Jane ?Law?) she married a Thomas Howorth in 1881, so this could of been the childless couple, i think i need to dig a little deeper as the dates wouldn't seem to match up if they "adopted" Ethel but they would have been getting on in age by the time she came along in 1912!
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I have found a William Shackleton married to a Sarah with a son Thomas born around 1904 in Oldham. There are other children born to this couple.
William is a dealer in incandescent goods - unsure how closely related this is to furniture, but as he seems to be a retailer/employer of some sort he may have moved in to furniture at some stage.
I think William Shackleton may have married Sarah Wadsworth (needs checking). William seems to have been born in Heptonstall and Sarah in Hebden Bridge, so maybe the right part of the country to tie in with your family?
Thank you, i will investigate this.