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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: DixieFamily on Tuesday 17 November 15 04:19 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Previously I have had some assistance trying to establish when John Wood and his wife Elizabeth (Betty) Garside arrived in South Australia. Thank you to Cando, giblet, Essie. I am still not sure if it was on the Baboo or Rajasthan.
As I live in WA I cannot access the Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for Free Passage to WA to see if I can garner any further info about the correct Wood family.
So another avenue for consideration is trying to establish John and Elizabeth's date of deaths and perhaps this information may shed some further light on where they were born and married and then link to date of arrival in SA.
Cando noted that marriage notice in 1878 for daughter Mary Jane notes she is the dau of Late John Wood of Saddleworth.
The last child born to John and Elizabeth was Mary Jane in 1849 so the death would be between 1849 and 1878.
again any assistance would be appreciated.
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The information you can expect to find on an SA death cert:
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/genealogy-sa/website-01/whats-in-that-certificate.html
If he had a daughter Catherine then he was deceased by 1873
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/197665428
Debra :)
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I think the notices might mean Saddleworth in the UK:
A possible marriage:
Parochial Chapelry of Saddleworth, County of York
29 Aug 1836
John WOOD of Waters in this Parochial Chapelry, Bachelor
Betty GARTSIDE of the same place
Witnesses were Samuel KENWORTHY and Joseph WOOD
Saddleworth was historically in Yorkshire but now in Lancashire.
I can see a place called Waters in a Saddleworth Directory but can't find it on a map.
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra
I haven't identified a Catherine in the family yet!
Thanks for info on marriage - which could be them. It could be Saddleworth UK but I don't think so.
Other children born here. Although perhaps he/they did go back to the uk?
regards'
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WOOD - On the 10th January, at the residence of Mr. H. J. Aiken, Emma Wood, daughter of the late John and B. Wood, late of Saddleworth, and dearly loved sister of Mrs. M. J. Ottaway, Wilcannia, N.S.W., and Mrs. H. J. Aiken, Booleroo Whim, S.A.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/59895622
AIKEN - On the 18th November, at Booleroo Centre Hospital, Catherine Thirza (Kate), loved wife of Hugh James Aiken, Booleroo Whim, and youngest daughter of the late John and B. Wood, Saddleworth, leaving four daughters and two sons, one on active service (reported missing).
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58871031
Debra :)
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Thank you Debra - some real gold there. Fabulous.
regards
Dixie
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Hi...am having lots of problems with internet so am unable to access most sites except rootschat and if I am very patient, a few others ;D ;D Joys of living in a remote area where the internet was quite good until Telstra upgraded it to 4G. I'm better off than many of my neighbours who have had no access since 5 Nov. I can't search TROVE at all...just sits. :(
Link to your previous request about this family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692223.0
So using my own resources. This appears to be Elizabeth's death. There is no headstone in the Saddleworth cemetery however they may have been buried in one of the smaller cemeteries in the area.
WOOD Betsey Elizabeth 53 years Status Widow Relative no recorded.
13 Jan 1871
Residence Saddleworth Death Place Saddleworth Gil 41/270
See what I can find with my very limited access.
Cheers
Cando
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This is a possibility and I will have to check how far reaching the Adelaide registration district was in 1857....quite large I think.
Perhaps you could search on TROVE for a death notice or obituary around the date below.
Elizabeth was born c1818 and this John c1817. I can't see another possiblity on my resource for John's death prior to 1871 when Elizabeth died.
WOOD John 37 years Status not recorded Relative not recorded
15 Feb 1854
Residence (not recorded) Death Place (not recorded) Ade 3/43
Cheers
Cando
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Cando
I checked Trove for the date for Betty and found nothing
Added: Nothing for John 1854
Though looking at the 1841 census I found Queen Elizabeth playing as a servent :D
Well Queen Elizabeth Wood anyway - I checked the image as well and it is Queen - sorry to digress
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Thank you David.
The 1841 SA census was for the ?closely settled areas only. Have a look at Graham Jaunay's website for more info. I can't bring it up at the moment.
After waiting patiently....this page will help with the history of the Old Church of England Cemetery in Saddleworth which was established in 1850. Records have been lost HOWEVER there is a list of those possibly buried in that particular cemetery and it includes Betsy Elizabeth and a Frederick. Possibly the names have been taken from the death index for deaths at Saddleworth.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/saddleworth_whip.htm
From linked thread
WOOD Frederick born 25 Aug 1842 at Thebarton, father WOOD John, mother GARSIDE Elizabeth
WOOD Frederick 14 years Status child Relative not recorded
6 Aug 1857
Residence Saddleworth Death Place Saddleworth Gil F 7/91
Symbol F Informant is a possible Family Member
Cando
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In 1840
On the Baboo - John aged 25, wife 22, and daughter 2.
So the BABOO John born c1815 and wife c1818 and daughter born c1838 however ages on shipping records are often inaccurate.
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Elizabeth was born c1818 and this John c1817. I can't see another possiblity on my resource for John's death prior to 1871 when Elizabeth died.
WOOD John 37 years Status not recorded Relative not recorded
15 Feb 1854
Residence (not recorded) Death Place (not recorded) Ade 3/43
Cando
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WOOD John, Elizabeth GARSIDE, Dau arrived in SA 10 Mar 1840 aboard BABOO from Liverpool 24 Nov 1839 [Source:2,4,7,21,29,41]
2. Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for a Free Passage to South Australia 1836-41, PRO CO 386/149-151
4. South Australian Birth Registration Certificates Index 1842-1928, Genealogy SA, 2012
7. Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SAGHS, 1986
8. Manifests of Vessels Arriving from Overseas 1838-42, SAA, GRG41/8 (A743)
21. Return of sick and destitute emigrants receiving relief 1840, SAA, GRG24/1
41. B Leadbeater, South Australia Births 1836-54, Adelaide, 2010-2014
Biographical Index of South Australians. - Not identified as arriving on the RAJASTHAN and doesn't mention Saddleworth however Betsey may have moved there following his death which may have been in Adelaide.
WOOD John arrived by 1840
Occupation Labourer
Lived Thebarton, Adelaide, Reedbeds
Religion Church of England
Married Elizabeth
Children Alexander 1840-1908; Frederick 1842-; Emma 1845-.
21. Return of sick and destitute emigrants receiving relief 1840, SAA, GRG24/1
Check TROVE as the lists of sick and destitute persons were listed in the newspapers of the day. If your John did die in 1854 Betsey may have fallen on hard times or John may have been ill and may have applied for assistance for his family.
Cando
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To throw a spanner in the works - maybe- found a death of an Elizabeth Wood 30.1.1876 born 1817 wife of ( living) John Wood at Magill - which makes more sense from Thebarton/Reedbeds area.
Off to Trove for obits etc
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Not sure how to make sense of this
A Mary Jane given a birth date of 18 October 1849 in the District of Gilbert to John and Elizabeth (nee Garside) RN 2/208
Another Mary Jane Wood baptized in Adelaide District 15 May 1849 to John and Elizabeth ( no last name given for Elizabeth) No Registration number
One record is from AusBirthsBaps 1792-1981
The first is from SA Births 1842-1928
I agree the Gilbert District one follows the paperwork as we see it. But I had a thought when I first saw this thread and the marriage of Mary Jane in Riverton - which I thought was near Saddleworth.(just checked 10km away)
I couldn't believe - as much as the pull of home would be - why a person would move out of the city to a place in the country - just because it was his birth town name.
Nice little puzzle. :)
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They appear to have had two children named Mary Jane.
Both are listed in SA Births. One was born 2nd Oct 1847 at Adelaide in the Dist of Adelaide, Book/page 2/21. 15th May 1849 as given above looks like the baptism date. Unable to locate death reference.
The second Mary Jane born in October that year as per previous post.
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BISA and the shipping records are transcribed and compiled from other records and sadly often far from accurate so perhaps if we start again. Bear in mind that not all bdm's in South Australia were registered. All sorts of reasons including failure of the local registrations to reach Adelaide.
There was another John WOOD with wife Elizabeth living in the eastern suburbs of Adelaide ie Kensington, Norwood and Magill. And another couple living south of Adelaide.
WOOD Alexander born 18 Feb 1840 at Adelaide, father WOOD John, mother GARSIDE
Elizabeth
Marriage - Stirling North is near Port Augusta.
WOOD Alexander 22 years Status not recorded Father John WOOD
WILSON Elizabeth 21 years Status not recorded Father William WILSON
18 Jun 1862
At the United Presbyterian Church Stirling [North] Fro 50/
Birth
WOOD Frederick born 25 Aug 1842 at Thebarton, father WOOD John, mother GARSIDE Elizabeth
Death
WOOD Frederick 14 years Status child Relative not recorded
6 Aug 1857
Residence Saddleworth Death Place Saddleworth Gil F 7/91
Symbol F Informant is a possible Family Member
Catherine born c1843 did not have her birth registered and she would be the youngest daughter.
AIKEN - On the 18th November, at Booleroo Centre Hospital, Catherine Thirza (Kate), loved wife of Hugh James Aiken, Booleroo Whim, and youngest daughter of the late John and B. Wood, Saddleworth, leaving four daughters and two sons, one on active service (reported missing).
Marriage
AIKEN Hugh James 24 years Status single Father Oliver AIKEN
WOOD Catherine 20 years Status single Father John WOOD
22 Apr 1873
At Holy Trinity Church Riverton Gil 95/232
Death
AIKEN Catherine Thirza 64 years Status Married Relative Hugh James AIKEN [Husband]
18 Nov 1917
Residence Booleroo Whim Death Place Booleroo Centre Fro H 414/368
Birth
WOOD Emma
18 Apr 1845
Father John WOOD Mother Elizabeth GARSIDE
At Reed Beds Ade 1/107
Death - and age is not quite accurate
WOOD Emma 70 years Status Single Relative John WOOD [Father]
10 Jan 1917
Residence Booleroo Whim Death Place Booleroo Whim Fro 407/399
Birth
WOOD Mary Jane
2 Oct 1847
Father John WOOD Mother Elizabeth GARSIDE
At Adelaide Ade 2/21 [Died before 1849]
Birth
WOOD Mary Jane
18 Oct 1849
Father John WOOD Mother Elizabeth GARSIDE
At Gilbert Ade2/208 This is the Gilbert River Valley which includes Riverton, Saddleworth etc.
Marriage
OTTAWAY Thomas Finch 31 years Status single Father Thomas Finch OTTAWAY
WOOD Mary Jane 28 years Status single Father John WOOD
9 Jan 1878
At Holy Trinity Church Riverton Gil 114/85
Hope that help sort out the children however none of this really helps with your request.
Cando
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Thank you to everyone again for your assistance.
Also for the summary Cando to recap. (Sorry you are having lots of problems withe internet Cando - how frustrating).
As noted by Cando some of the records are not accurate. But the first issue for me was when did John
Wood, Elizabeth Garside arrive? Was it on the Baboo on 10 March 1840 with their daughter or on the Rajasthan on 6 Feb 1840? Their son Alexander was born on 18 February 1840 in Adelaide so you would presume it was on the Rajasthan. But the John Wood who arrived on the Rajasthan died soon after (according to the records).
A girl Charlotte Wood died aged 2 on 8 June 1840 - address Payneham. Parents John and Elizabeth.
Perhaps this girl does not belong to my Wood family and given the Payneham address perhaps it is people living in Kensington, Norwood and Magill (as per Cando's info)?
In the 1841 census there is a J Wood listed with 1 child under 7, 1 male under 35 and 1 female under 35. Census address is Hindley Street.
Other children born Frederick in 1842 at Thebarton, Catherine Thirza (not registered) c1853, Emma at Reed Beds 1845, Mary Jane born 1847 Adelaide (and died before 1849) and Mary Jane born 1849 at Gilbert.
Thankyou to DavidGO2 re checking on Trove re both John and Betty. I also had a look and couldn't find anything.
Info from Cando re Frederick Wood and Betsy Elizabeth sounds very positive and the right family - thank you. And the only possibility re John Wood death in 1854.
So if I request death certificate for John from 1854 am I going to get much information? And for Betsey in 1871 to confirm anything?
Sorry to keep asking questions...just would like to tidy this family up (if at all possible).
regards
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So if I request death certificate for John from 1854 am I going to get much information? And for Betsey in 1871 to confirm anything?
Don't waste your money with a certificate - very expensive. Transcriptions are available from Graham Jaunay and SAGHS. Graham would be my choice. I can't get his website to load but I'm sure there is an order form on this page.
http://www.jaunay.com/transcription.html
Details on SA death certificates are scant and the the John's residence and place of death was not recorded on the death index. It is possible the occupation and informant may help identify him ie if you know his occupation.
1842-1907
Date of Death
Name
Sex
Age
Occupation
Usual Residence
Cause of Death
Place of Death
Informant
Cando
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re arrival on Baboo or Rajasthan, there is a reference on the SAPioneers website
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/colonists.html
that the John Wood on the Rajasthan "(d aft arr)". A further entry that a John Wood d 8th July 1840 aged 42 at the Emigration Depot. Buried at West Terrace Cemetery.
That probably puts your man on the Baboo.
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Spike I think that information was posted on the linked thread ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692223.0
however we are not viewing primary or secondary sources just compiled information.
AND Catherine was noted as the youngest dau yet it would appear ie if it is the correct John WOOD, that John and Elizabeth arrived with a daughter. Pity she wasn't named as we could check the birth in England.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1840Baboo.gif
Need to visit SLSA or SA Records to view some information.
Cando
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Thanks everyone for your support.
regards
Dixie
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Spike I think that information was posted on the linked thread ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692223.0
however we are not viewing primary or secondary sources just compiled information.
AND Catherine was noted as the youngest dau yet it would appear ie if it is the correct John WOOD, that John and Elizabeth arrived with a daughter. Pity she wasn't named as we could check the birth in England.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1840Baboo.gif
Need to visit SLSA or SA Records to view some information.
Cando
Missed the linked thread reply#6. Must have been distracted by the internet tales of woe!
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WOOD Alexander born 18 Feb 1840 at Adelaide, father WOOD John, mother GARSIDE
Elizabeth
Have you looked at this baptism to see if there is any further information on exactly where he was born? It is sometimes noted if a child was born at sea.
Debra :)
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I would assume that baptism was possibly at Holy Trinity on North Terrace and I think the microfilms are at SLSA and contain scant information. The same info is on a CD.
http://www.jaunay.com/earlybdm.php
and
http://guides.slsa.sa.gov.au/church_records
Cando
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WOOD - On the 10th January, at the residence of Mr. H. J. Aiken, Emma Wood, daughter of the late John and B. Wood, late of Saddleworth, and dearly loved sister of Mrs. M. J. Ottaway, Wilcannia, N.S.W., and Mrs. H. J. Aiken, Booleroo Whim, S.A.
Birth
WOOD Mary Jane
18 Oct 1849
Father John WOOD Mother Elizabeth GARSIDE
At Gilbert Ade2/208 This is the Gilbert River Valley which includes Riverton, Saddleworth etc.
Age is a little out. It would appear the informant had little information but identified with father WOOD which is unusual on NSW indexes as usually only the given names are on the database.
Death in NSW
21876/1937
OTTAWAY Mary Jane
Father WOOD 85 years at Wilcannia
District Wilcannia
Cando