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George King was b.c.1794 in Berkshire. His parents were William King and Elizabeth Hickman.
George married around 1814, I think. He married Charlotte. Can someone help me find any details about Charlotte please? I can't find anything at all. They had children, the one in my tree was Charles, b.1820 in Besselsleigh.
Thank you very much.
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Could I ask where you get the approximate date of 1794 for George's birth?
A quick scan of familysearch shows children of George William King and Elizabeth baptised in Berkshire from 1780 to 1800 as:
George, bap 17 Mar 1782 Swallowfield
James, bap 20 Jun 1790 Fyfield
Sarah, bap 2 Nov 1794 Greenham
Mary Ann, bap 13 Dec 1795 Hungerford
Rebecca, bap 25 Feb 1798 Thatcham
Of course, I cannot guarantee that any of these Elizabeths is the mother of your George (or that this is a complete account of all King baptisms in every Berkshire parish), but I am wondering if his birth was earlier than your estimate, this could put a marriage earlier as well.
All the best.
Philip
(ps - error corrected!)
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Hi Philip
George married Charlotte
George married around 1814, I think. He married Charlotte.
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Hi Philip
George married Charlotte
George married around 1814, I think. He married Charlotte.
These "senior moments" are happening too often. A loud "whoops!" from me, and thank you for spotting it, CaroleW.
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These "senior moments" are happening too often.
You are not alone!!
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I'll endorse that too!!.
There's a family in the '41 Census that includes a George, Charlotte, Charles and Sarah - HO107 24 2 18. All born in County. Cannot spot this George and Charlotte in '51.
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Living in the Abingdon RD in 1841 - freebmd has a death for a George King Dec qtr 1841 Abingdon
2 for a Charlotte King - Dec qtr 1846 and Sept qtr 1847
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The 1841 death may possibly be an infant death. 2.1.1842 - George King 18mths @ St Lawrence Bessesleigh
20.12.1846 burial of Charlotte King aged 56 also at St Lawrence
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Thank you for your replies.
Philip - I think I must have found his birth date on Ancestry, but haven't got the proof.
I found them on the 41 census too, but can't find anything else "concrete".
Thanks again for your help.
Townsie
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Hi, my family are the Charles and Sarah, there are two King families in Besselsleigh parish records. Today I visited the villages and my family lived in Dry Sandford, a mile from Besselsleigh. I visited the church in Dry Sandford and read a note pinned in the doorway that it was built in 1855 and previous to that all deaths were carried to Besselsleigh church previous to that date which explains why Besselsleigh recorded the records. I have photos of Besselsleigh's records of King's and there is a death of Charlotte King aged 54 buried on 20 Dec 1846 and an Elizabeth King aged 79 buried on 22 Apr 1851. Obviously I am not sure if they are yours but something to consider
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A quick message of error, more than two King families in records. Sorry
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Hi,
Thanks so much for your message.
It looks as if the Charlotte you mentioned is the one in my tree, but I don't think the Elizabeth is mine.
I do have an Elizabeth King (nee Hickman) but I think she died in 1843.
Thanks once again.
Townsie
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There is a George King of the correct age in the 1851, 61 and 71 censuses living in Lashford Cottage / Lane, Sandford married to Ann born Cumnor. Did your George remarry after Charlotte's death? This George was born Wotton Underwood, Bucks. When did your George die? There is the death of a George King age 80 in Q2 1873 Abingdon district. I can't see George with wife Ann in 1841.
There is a George King bapt in Wotton Underwood on 23 feb 1794, parents William and Elizabeth.
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George King was born about 1793/94 in Wooton Underwood.
His parents were William King and Elizabeth Hickman.
On 18 October 1814 he married Charlotte in Abingdon.
They had a son, Charles, in 1820 at Besselsleigh.
Can anyone help me with details about Charlotte please, I think she was born c.1791 in Berkshire, and died December 1846 in Oxon. I can't seem to find anything about her parents or surname etc.
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Hi Lizzie, Thanks for your last message, and sorry it's taken me so long to reply.
The George King on the 1851, 61, and 71 census's could very well be my George, but I can't find if he remarried or not.
I have my George being born 1794 at Wooton Underwood, and baptised 23 Feb 1794. Also that he died 2 May 1873 in Abindon district.
I'm mainly trying to find out about his wife Charlotte. I'm hoping the dates I've got for her - b.c.1791 Berks and d. 17 Dec 1846 Oxon - are correct, but I can't find her surname or details of her parents etc.
Thanks for your reply anyway.
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Hi Townsie,
On 18 October 1814 he married Charlotte in Abingdon.
Where did you get this info from?
I can't see a marriage in any of the Abingdon parishes nor on F/Search
I did see 3 x children bapt in Besselesleigh;
28-5-1815 George s/o George & Charlotte
16-2-1817 Joseph " " "
12-11-1820 Charles " " "
Alan
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I've asked moderators to merge this thread with another about Charlotte:
Merged.
I visited the church in Dry Sandford and read a note pinned in the doorway that it was built in 1855 and previous to that all deaths were carried to Besselsleigh church previous to that date which explains why Besselsleigh recorded the records. I have photos of Besselsleigh's records of King's and there is a death of Charlotte King aged 54 buried on 20 December 1846
From OFHS transcript of Besselsleigh burials:
20 December 1846
KING Charlotte 54 Sandford. St. Helen's, Abingdon
As Cozzydogs has shown that Dry Sandford residents were buried at Besselsleigh, this could well be your Charlotte. I don't know why St Helen's, Abingdon is also mentioned.
Please can you tell us where your information is coming from, in particular the date of death. Do you have her death certificate?
Carol
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Hi, if you look up St Helens Abingdon on Wikipedia it will tell you that St Helens Abingdon was a large parish which included Dry Sandford along with other villages. In 1867 Dry Sandford became a separate parish.
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Thanks Cozzydogs :)
Don't know why I didn't look it up - the OFHS definitive list is at my elbow as we speak ::)
Carol
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How do we know Charlotte was born in Berkshire? She seems to have died before 1851 when actual places of birth were recorded?
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If Charlotte died in 1846 and George remarried to an Ann from Cumnor and is the one I found in '51, '61 and '71, then there is a marriage registered Abingdon district Q4 1847 where one of the possible brides is Ann Clempson.
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Form the OFHS CD OXF-AB-01
Marriage-St Helens Abingdon 18 October 1847
George KING 50 widwr lab of Sandford Parish s William King lab
Ann CLEMPSON 44 sp of Sandford Parish d John Clempson lab
Wit=Chas Clempson/Sam Simpson
Have not managed to find a baptism for Ann Clempson or the first marriage of George - the CD covers Cumner and Sandford also
I notice there is a "gap" in the Marriages recorded on the Besselseigh transcripts between August 1812 and April 1814 there is no indication as to why
Kim
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In 1841 there is a Sarah Clemson age 80 with Ann 25, Sarah 20, Lucy 10, James 7, William 2 in Cumnor.
Piece 20 Book 5 Folio 12 Page 19
This website has info on Cumnor.
http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/external/cumnor/
The "Families 1450-1900 " link on left of screen has list of families inc Clemson. There is a John who married Sarah and had several children including Nanny bapt 1806 and Sarah bapt 1809, so this could be Srah and the two oldest presumed daughters in 1841.
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I have just been perusing my photos taken from Besselsleigh Parish Records and came across a
Charles born to George and Charlotte King, born/baptised (sorry, did not photograph top of page to confirm which one), 12 November 1820.
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I have found another birth of George to George and Charlotte in 28 May 1815 and the death of a Charlotte King in 1846
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Hi Alan, Carol, Cozzydogs, Lizzie and Kim (and anyone else who has helped with this!)
You've all worked hard on my behalf trying to find details of Charlotte, for which I thank you.
The dates of BMD's that I already have, I found on other trees on Ancestry.
I have no definite proof of any of them, but just hope that they are correct!
It looks as if George married again after Charlotte died, but my line goes back to Charlotte, so it's her I'm really interested in. I just can't find her surname or parents details.
Thank you once again. :-* :-*
Townsie
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On 18 October 1814 he married Charlotte in Abingdon.
Where did you get this info from?
I can't see a marriage in any of the Abingdon parishes nor on F/Search
The 18th October date is the marriage of George to Ann Clempson - but in 1847.
There are numerous on-line trees with this family, but I can only see a year (1814) given for George and Charlotte's marriage. This could be a guess based on the baptism date of their first (known) child and George's age he would be abt 20 -21 at marriage assuming the baptism in Wotton Underwood is his and he was baptised fairly soon after birth.
The most likely burial for Charlotte is 20 Dec 1846 (age 54). On line trees have Charlotte's date of death as 17 Dec 1846 - so likely someone has a copy of the actual death certificate.
Transcriptions of the 1841 census says she and George were both born in Berkshire - although it is so faint, I'm surprised anyone can read it. There are two images for the family in 1841. One has been crossed through and a note about transfer to St Helen's parish (I think that's the reason - handwriting difficult to read). The copy version in the correct enumerator's book, doesn't have Y or N in place of birth column. The enumerator has given up recording it halfway down the page.
Given that George was actually born in Buckinghamshire not Berkshire, I don't know if we can be certain that Charlotte was born in Berkshire.