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Title: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 22 November 15 07:00 GMT (UK)
Hello fellow Rootschatters,
While taking advantage of a free month and a bit from The Genealogist, I have cracked one of maternal brickwalls. However, it doesn't get any easier when I can't find my SA BDM disks (must be in a safe place  ::) ).
Can someone kindly look up the marriage of Ann Pooley to John Paul (Paul is the surname) in 1847; what age is given, and is there a father listed? Also the death of Ann Paul in 1855; what age is given please.
I am hoping to confirm that the Ann Pooley who married John Paul in 1847 is the sister of my 2x great grandmother. I have them coming out on the "Aboukir" in 1847. It seems both Ann and my 2x great grandmother met their future husbands on the ship.

Thanking you in advance,
Darren
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: judb on Sunday 22 November 15 07:33 GMT (UK)
You would probably have the TROVE reports of the arrival on Saturday 4 September, 1847, of the sisters Ann, Emmeline, Mary and Elizabeth POOLEY, listed as emigrants, per the Aboukir which sailed from London and Plymouth.  John PAULL (sic) is mentioned also.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158924860  and
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/48545360 

Judith
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Sunday 22 November 15 07:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Darren,
Ann POOLEY's 1847 marriage record lists her age as 27 (b abt 1820). Single. No father's name recorded. Groom is 22.
Ann PAUL's 1855 death record gives her age as 38 (b abt 1817).
Spike.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: cando on Sunday 22 November 15 07:52 GMT (UK)
As you have the discs you have probably forgotten that father's names are not recorded on SA marriages in 1847.

Marriage
PAUL John  22 years  Status Single
POOLEY Ann  27 years  Status Single
28 Dec 1847
At Holy Trinity Church Adelaide  Ade 2/171

Death
PAUL Ann  38 years  Status Married  Relative John PAUL [Husband]
12 Feb 1855
Residence Adelaide     Death Place - not recorded  Ade 3/144

Passenger list ABOUKIR
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1847Aboukir.htm

Cheers
Cando


Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 22 November 15 08:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all for taking the trouble to answer my query.
Cando, yes that was in the back of my mind when I framed the question, but I am sure I have seen a father's name somewhere on an early marriage; although with my memory, it was probably an early church record.  ;D
Those age dates give me more proof that she is indeed the sister of Elizabeth, my ancestor. The Mary I can place, but Emmeline I think is Caroline.
Once again, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Sunday 22 November 15 08:55 GMT (UK)
Hmmm. Or does Caroline Pooley arrive on the same ship as a Mrs John Trenwith with child Emily?
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/colonists.html
Both Mary and Elizabeth marry but Emmeline seems to vanish.

Are this lot from Cornwall? I have a Samuel Pooley b 1752, should you stumble upon him.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: cando on Sunday 22 November 15 09:01 GMT (UK)
Holy Trinity registers are on fiche at the State Library :)

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71612572
3 Oct 1848.
Included in a list for unclaimed letters - Miss Emma POOLEY

Cando
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: cando on Sunday 22 November 15 09:06 GMT (UK)
Marriages Jun 1845
TRENWITH John     Redruth    9/284
POOLEY Catherine  Redruth    9/284   

Cando 
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: cando on Sunday 22 November 15 09:20 GMT (UK)
Some pretty poor transcriptions or possibly the writing in the registers was terrible.

TINMOUTH John Henry
2 Apr 1853
Father John TINMOUTH  Mother Catherine POOLEY
At Adelaide   Ade 4/133

TRENWITH Honour
22 Jun 1856
Father John TRENWITH  Mother Caroline POOLE
At Montacute   Ade 7/393

TRENWITH Frances Ann
27 Jul 1858
Father John TRENWITH  Mother Caroline POOLE
At  Payneham  Ade11/370
 
TRENWITH Frances Ann
27 Jul 1858
Father John TRENWITH   Mother Caroline POOLE
At Payneham  Ade11/370

TRENWITH Thomas Henry
9 Jul 1865
Father John TRENWITH  Mother Caroline POOLEY
At Moonta   Ade36/568
 
Cando
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 22 November 15 11:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks Spike and Cando. I probably should have checked marriages in England as well. I was too busy equating Emmeline with Caroline.
Yes, there is a John Trenwith, wife and child on the Aboukir. Crikey, I must be related to half the ship!
Spike, yes they wear from Cornwall, but I haven't come across a Samuel Pooley yet. The girls' parents are where I am up to at this point. Henry Pooley and his wife Mary, née Johns. According to the 1841 census, Henry was living in St Agnes, Cornwall with Caroline, Elizabeth, Mary and a 5 year old Henry. Mary the mother must have been deceased by then. Ann was lodging with someone else.
So Emmeline is still a mystery. Possibly a completely different Pooley family?
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: judb on Monday 23 November 15 02:05 GMT (UK)
Cornwall OPC has this baptism:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/
5-Sep, 1821
Illogan
Emmeline POOLEY
dau of Henry and Mary
Residence   Nancekuke Downs
Father's occupation: Blacksmith

and this one
10-Nov 1828
Illogan
Mary POOLEY
dau of Henry and Mary
Residence:   Nancekuke
Father's occupation: Blacksmith

I note Henry's occupation in 1841 is also 'blacksmith'.

Centennial Park Cemetery, Mitcham S A have a burial listed for
Emmeline POOLE (sic) supposedly aged 84 but there are no death dates listed for this person so it's a bit of a long shot.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=151356285&ref=acom
http://www.centennialpark.org/deceased-search/deceased-search.html
  Wrong person - see below.

Judith
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: cando on Monday 23 November 15 02:23 GMT (UK)
Centennial Park is located at Goodwood Road, Pasadena. Local Council area is the City of Mitcham. :)

Burial record for Emmeline Ann POOLE.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gjo/

This isn't your lady.  This Emmeline Ann is the wife of a Timothy POOLE.

Cando
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: judb on Monday 23 November 15 02:31 GMT (UK)
Also from the Cornwall OPC site

I wonder if this is Mary's burial -

29-May, 1829
Parish Or Reg District
Mary POOLEY
Age   34
Residence:   Nancekuke Common

Nancekuke Common can be found by Googling.  It is now RAF Portreath.

Marriage:
21-Feb, 1818
Parish St Agnes, by banns
Henry POOLEY, of this parish, bachelor, signed with cross
Mary JOHNS, otp, spinster, signed with a cross
Witnesses: John JAMES, Roger DANIELL

Judith

Thanks, Cando, for clearing up Emmeline POOLE as the wrong person.



Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: cando on Monday 23 November 15 02:45 GMT (UK)
That's OK Judith...I was hoping it was her.

This could be her....

1841 Census HO107/149/4/14/5/3
Living at St Agnes, Cornwall
WILLIAMS Mary  50 years  Born county
WILLIAMS John  15 years  Copper Miner  Born county
WILLIAMS Henry 15  Carrier  Born county
WILLIAMS James 13  Shoem Ap  [Possibly shoemaker’s apprentice] Born county
POOLEY Emma  20 years  Work to the mines   Born county
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Monday 23 November 15 05:21 GMT (UK)
Could be Emma. According to OPC she(Emmeline) was bapt 05 Sep 1821 at Illogan to Henry & Mary
Residence - Nancekuke Downs
Father Occ - Blacksmith

OP has the family in 1841 with Henry 5, so either he is not Henry's son or that isnt Henry's wife Mary buried in 1829. I wonder if Henry belongs to Ann?
The younger Henry dies and is buried 28 June 1842 at St Agnes.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: judb on Monday 23 November 15 09:03 GMT (UK)
Free Reg has this baptism:

Holy Trinity Church, St Day
05 Mar 1837
Henry
Person abode:   Wheal Rose
Father:    Henry POOLEY, Blacksmith
Mother:   Elizabeth HALES

As the burial (Cornwall OPC) for little Henry shows the same abode it seems likely that the entries are for the same child.
28-Jun, 1842
Parish Or Reg District   Agnes, St.
Henry POOLEY, 6
Residence   Wheal Rose

In 1841 Elizabeth HALL(S?), 35, female servant, is living in the same household with Henry POOLEY senior and the 5 year-old Henry. There is also Richard HALL, 15, blacksmith in the same household.

BTW, the 1841 census entry for Emma POOLEY shows her living only a few households away form Henry and his other daughters, it seems likely that she is Emmeline.

Judith

Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Monday 23 November 15 10:23 GMT (UK)
Wow, thank you everyone for your kind input. I have been looking at the various Pooleys of various spelling to work out who belongs to whom. As far as I can see, there was more than one Pooley family in and around St Agnes. Henry was described as a miner on some of his childrens' baptisms, which makes me wonder if it is the same man. And did the family move between St Agnes and Illogan and back again? And then there is the question of baptisms; why baptise some in the parish church, and others (older and younger) in the Methodist faith?
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 November 15 06:57 GMT (UK)
Because this is the Australia thread, we should probably keep things local.  :)
I can't seem to see a death for Caroline or Emmeline/Emma in SA. I found a possible death for John Trenwith, and a possible re-marriage for Caroline (in 1876 to a James Jeffery), but no death for Caroline.
And no, my disks still haven't turned up.  :-[
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Tuesday 24 November 15 08:31 GMT (UK)
You will find Caroline as JEFFRY, marrying Thomas BERRY in 1880.
Still no sign of her death though.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 November 15 08:37 GMT (UK)
Bugger, I tried Jeffery and Jeffrey, but not Jeffry.
She seems to have been a serial bride!
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 November 15 08:44 GMT (UK)
It looks like Thomas Berry died in 1898.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Tuesday 24 November 15 08:47 GMT (UK)
Have a look at NSW BDM's. Hurstville 1912 (16040/1912)
Death reg for Caroline Berry, parents Henry and Mary A.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 November 15 09:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks Spike. I had a quick look on Trove, but nothing jumped out.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Tuesday 24 November 15 09:26 GMT (UK)
Death date was 24 September 1912
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 November 15 09:49 GMT (UK)
Thanks once again, Spike. So it is only Emmeline/Emma that eludes us. They seem to be long lived these Pooley's. Caroline 1823-1912, and Elizabeth 1826-1915. It will be interesting to see a cause of death for Ann in 1855.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Tuesday 24 November 15 10:24 GMT (UK)
I might be able to check cause of death on Thursday.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Wednesday 25 November 15 02:05 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that Spike. But please don't go out of your way.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Thursday 26 November 15 07:37 GMT (UK)
As per Death Certificate of Ann Paul, died 12 Feb 1855, cause of death given as Childbirth.

S
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Thursday 26 November 15 08:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for that, Spike.
I tried searching NSW for Emmeline/Emma but it was a bit hard not knowing a surname.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 27 November 15 21:19 GMT (UK)
With Majm's help, I think we can rule out the Caroline Berry death in NSW. She was living at the same address on an electoral roll as an Edwin Berry. Caroline did not have any children with Thomas Berry, nor did Thomas have a son Edwin previously.
So Caroline and Emmeline/Emma are both proving difficult to pin down.  :(
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Friday 27 November 15 22:21 GMT (UK)
Bugger. Looks like she was Caroline LEES, b 1872 NSW to Henry and Mary Jane.
Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 27 November 15 22:44 GMT (UK)
Just looking back through my notes, I don't seem to have a death date for Mary Pooley either. She married Richard Polkinghorne in 1849 in Adelaide.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Saturday 28 November 15 00:05 GMT (UK)
There is a Mary Polkinghorne m John BOSS at Moonta (Dist of Daly) 9 March 1877.
Marital status given as widow, born approx 1837, father Henry Pooley.
Can't find an obvious death ref for Richard POLKINGHORNE prior to 1877.
Then Mary vanishes.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Saturday 28 November 15 00:11 GMT (UK)
May have found her in Victoria.
Death Mary BOSS
Father's name/spouse's name: Pooley Hy
Reg year/no 1887/5352
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 28 November 15 00:13 GMT (UK)
I did see that marriage, but I am still using the Genealogy SA online databsase search and didn't have the father's information. Like you, I couldn't see an obvious death for Richard. So many district entries seem to have not made it to Adelaide. I have a paternal great uncle whose birth registration doesn't exist. I have his birth details from the family bible, and have met his descendants.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 28 November 15 00:15 GMT (UK)
Our posts crossed.  :)
Thanks for that, Spike. So Richard obviously died sometime before 1877.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Essie on Saturday 28 November 15 03:39 GMT (UK)
Richard POLKINGHORNE and Mary nee POOLEY (POLEY) were at Kanmantoo when daughter Emily was born 22 May 1859 - Nai 17/81

A death at Kanmantoo for Richard POLKINGHORNE recorded age 39 on 2 Mar 1861 - Str 13/112

Essie
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Saturday 28 November 15 04:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks Essie. When I saw that Richard, the age didn't look right. Looks better after several coffees.
Emily's birth is indexed as Polkinhorne (no G), just to make things difficult.
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: Spike H on Saturday 28 November 15 04:23 GMT (UK)
Found their marriage details:
Richd POLKINHORN and May POLEY
at Holy Trinity Church, Adelaide on December 08, 1849
Groom  26 b 1823 Single
Bride  21 b 1828 Single (no father mentioned)
Adelaide, Book/Page 3/217
Title: Re: Ann Pooley marriage and death SA
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 28 November 15 04:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks Essie and Spike. Yes, I'm guessing the variations of spelling are partly due to a Cornish accent.
I did see their marriage on the family history SA site.
Well, only Caroline and Emmeline/Emma to go.  ::)