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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: pinefamily on Sunday 22 November 15 07:00 GMT (UK)
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Hello fellow Rootschatters,
While taking advantage of a free month and a bit from The Genealogist, I have cracked one of maternal brickwalls. However, it doesn't get any easier when I can't find my SA BDM disks (must be in a safe place ::) ).
Can someone kindly look up the marriage of Ann Pooley to John Paul (Paul is the surname) in 1847; what age is given, and is there a father listed? Also the death of Ann Paul in 1855; what age is given please.
I am hoping to confirm that the Ann Pooley who married John Paul in 1847 is the sister of my 2x great grandmother. I have them coming out on the "Aboukir" in 1847. It seems both Ann and my 2x great grandmother met their future husbands on the ship.
Thanking you in advance,
Darren
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You would probably have the TROVE reports of the arrival on Saturday 4 September, 1847, of the sisters Ann, Emmeline, Mary and Elizabeth POOLEY, listed as emigrants, per the Aboukir which sailed from London and Plymouth. John PAULL (sic) is mentioned also.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158924860 and
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/48545360
Judith
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Hi Darren,
Ann POOLEY's 1847 marriage record lists her age as 27 (b abt 1820). Single. No father's name recorded. Groom is 22.
Ann PAUL's 1855 death record gives her age as 38 (b abt 1817).
Spike.
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As you have the discs you have probably forgotten that father's names are not recorded on SA marriages in 1847.
Marriage
PAUL John 22 years Status Single
POOLEY Ann 27 years Status Single
28 Dec 1847
At Holy Trinity Church Adelaide Ade 2/171
Death
PAUL Ann 38 years Status Married Relative John PAUL [Husband]
12 Feb 1855
Residence Adelaide Death Place - not recorded Ade 3/144
Passenger list ABOUKIR
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1847Aboukir.htm
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks to all for taking the trouble to answer my query.
Cando, yes that was in the back of my mind when I framed the question, but I am sure I have seen a father's name somewhere on an early marriage; although with my memory, it was probably an early church record. ;D
Those age dates give me more proof that she is indeed the sister of Elizabeth, my ancestor. The Mary I can place, but Emmeline I think is Caroline.
Once again, thank you very much.
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Hmmm. Or does Caroline Pooley arrive on the same ship as a Mrs John Trenwith with child Emily?
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/colonists.html
Both Mary and Elizabeth marry but Emmeline seems to vanish.
Are this lot from Cornwall? I have a Samuel Pooley b 1752, should you stumble upon him.
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Holy Trinity registers are on fiche at the State Library :)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71612572
3 Oct 1848.
Included in a list for unclaimed letters - Miss Emma POOLEY
Cando
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Marriages Jun 1845
TRENWITH John Redruth 9/284
POOLEY Catherine Redruth 9/284
Cando
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Some pretty poor transcriptions or possibly the writing in the registers was terrible.
TINMOUTH John Henry
2 Apr 1853
Father John TINMOUTH Mother Catherine POOLEY
At Adelaide Ade 4/133
TRENWITH Honour
22 Jun 1856
Father John TRENWITH Mother Caroline POOLE
At Montacute Ade 7/393
TRENWITH Frances Ann
27 Jul 1858
Father John TRENWITH Mother Caroline POOLE
At Payneham Ade11/370
TRENWITH Frances Ann
27 Jul 1858
Father John TRENWITH Mother Caroline POOLE
At Payneham Ade11/370
TRENWITH Thomas Henry
9 Jul 1865
Father John TRENWITH Mother Caroline POOLEY
At Moonta Ade36/568
Cando
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Thanks Spike and Cando. I probably should have checked marriages in England as well. I was too busy equating Emmeline with Caroline.
Yes, there is a John Trenwith, wife and child on the Aboukir. Crikey, I must be related to half the ship!
Spike, yes they wear from Cornwall, but I haven't come across a Samuel Pooley yet. The girls' parents are where I am up to at this point. Henry Pooley and his wife Mary, née Johns. According to the 1841 census, Henry was living in St Agnes, Cornwall with Caroline, Elizabeth, Mary and a 5 year old Henry. Mary the mother must have been deceased by then. Ann was lodging with someone else.
So Emmeline is still a mystery. Possibly a completely different Pooley family?
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Cornwall OPC has this baptism:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/
5-Sep, 1821
Illogan
Emmeline POOLEY
dau of Henry and Mary
Residence Nancekuke Downs
Father's occupation: Blacksmith
and this one
10-Nov 1828
Illogan
Mary POOLEY
dau of Henry and Mary
Residence: Nancekuke
Father's occupation: Blacksmith
I note Henry's occupation in 1841 is also 'blacksmith'.
Centennial Park Cemetery, Mitcham S A have a burial listed for
Emmeline POOLE (sic) supposedly aged 84 but there are no death dates listed for this person so it's a bit of a long shot.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=151356285&ref=acom
http://www.centennialpark.org/deceased-search/deceased-search.html Wrong person - see below.
Judith
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Centennial Park is located at Goodwood Road, Pasadena. Local Council area is the City of Mitcham. :)
Burial record for Emmeline Ann POOLE.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gjo/
This isn't your lady. This Emmeline Ann is the wife of a Timothy POOLE.
Cando
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Also from the Cornwall OPC site
I wonder if this is Mary's burial -
29-May, 1829
Parish Or Reg District
Mary POOLEY
Age 34
Residence: Nancekuke Common
Nancekuke Common can be found by Googling. It is now RAF Portreath.
Marriage:
21-Feb, 1818
Parish St Agnes, by banns
Henry POOLEY, of this parish, bachelor, signed with cross
Mary JOHNS, otp, spinster, signed with a cross
Witnesses: John JAMES, Roger DANIELL
Judith
Thanks, Cando, for clearing up Emmeline POOLE as the wrong person.
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That's OK Judith...I was hoping it was her.
This could be her....
1841 Census HO107/149/4/14/5/3
Living at St Agnes, Cornwall
WILLIAMS Mary 50 years Born county
WILLIAMS John 15 years Copper Miner Born county
WILLIAMS Henry 15 Carrier Born county
WILLIAMS James 13 Shoem Ap [Possibly shoemaker’s apprentice] Born county
POOLEY Emma 20 years Work to the mines Born county
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Could be Emma. According to OPC she(Emmeline) was bapt 05 Sep 1821 at Illogan to Henry & Mary
Residence - Nancekuke Downs
Father Occ - Blacksmith
OP has the family in 1841 with Henry 5, so either he is not Henry's son or that isnt Henry's wife Mary buried in 1829. I wonder if Henry belongs to Ann?
The younger Henry dies and is buried 28 June 1842 at St Agnes.
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Free Reg has this baptism:
Holy Trinity Church, St Day
05 Mar 1837
Henry
Person abode: Wheal Rose
Father: Henry POOLEY, Blacksmith
Mother: Elizabeth HALES
As the burial (Cornwall OPC) for little Henry shows the same abode it seems likely that the entries are for the same child.
28-Jun, 1842
Parish Or Reg District Agnes, St.
Henry POOLEY, 6
Residence Wheal Rose
In 1841 Elizabeth HALL(S?), 35, female servant, is living in the same household with Henry POOLEY senior and the 5 year-old Henry. There is also Richard HALL, 15, blacksmith in the same household.
BTW, the 1841 census entry for Emma POOLEY shows her living only a few households away form Henry and his other daughters, it seems likely that she is Emmeline.
Judith
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Wow, thank you everyone for your kind input. I have been looking at the various Pooleys of various spelling to work out who belongs to whom. As far as I can see, there was more than one Pooley family in and around St Agnes. Henry was described as a miner on some of his childrens' baptisms, which makes me wonder if it is the same man. And did the family move between St Agnes and Illogan and back again? And then there is the question of baptisms; why baptise some in the parish church, and others (older and younger) in the Methodist faith?
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Because this is the Australia thread, we should probably keep things local. :)
I can't seem to see a death for Caroline or Emmeline/Emma in SA. I found a possible death for John Trenwith, and a possible re-marriage for Caroline (in 1876 to a James Jeffery), but no death for Caroline.
And no, my disks still haven't turned up. :-[
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You will find Caroline as JEFFRY, marrying Thomas BERRY in 1880.
Still no sign of her death though.
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Bugger, I tried Jeffery and Jeffrey, but not Jeffry.
She seems to have been a serial bride!
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It looks like Thomas Berry died in 1898.
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Have a look at NSW BDM's. Hurstville 1912 (16040/1912)
Death reg for Caroline Berry, parents Henry and Mary A.
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Thanks Spike. I had a quick look on Trove, but nothing jumped out.
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Death date was 24 September 1912
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Thanks once again, Spike. So it is only Emmeline/Emma that eludes us. They seem to be long lived these Pooley's. Caroline 1823-1912, and Elizabeth 1826-1915. It will be interesting to see a cause of death for Ann in 1855.
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I might be able to check cause of death on Thursday.
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Thank you for that Spike. But please don't go out of your way.
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As per Death Certificate of Ann Paul, died 12 Feb 1855, cause of death given as Childbirth.
S
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Thank you so much for that, Spike.
I tried searching NSW for Emmeline/Emma but it was a bit hard not knowing a surname.
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With Majm's help, I think we can rule out the Caroline Berry death in NSW. She was living at the same address on an electoral roll as an Edwin Berry. Caroline did not have any children with Thomas Berry, nor did Thomas have a son Edwin previously.
So Caroline and Emmeline/Emma are both proving difficult to pin down. :(
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Bugger. Looks like she was Caroline LEES, b 1872 NSW to Henry and Mary Jane.
Back to the drawing board.
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Just looking back through my notes, I don't seem to have a death date for Mary Pooley either. She married Richard Polkinghorne in 1849 in Adelaide.
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There is a Mary Polkinghorne m John BOSS at Moonta (Dist of Daly) 9 March 1877.
Marital status given as widow, born approx 1837, father Henry Pooley.
Can't find an obvious death ref for Richard POLKINGHORNE prior to 1877.
Then Mary vanishes.
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May have found her in Victoria.
Death Mary BOSS
Father's name/spouse's name: Pooley Hy
Reg year/no 1887/5352
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I did see that marriage, but I am still using the Genealogy SA online databsase search and didn't have the father's information. Like you, I couldn't see an obvious death for Richard. So many district entries seem to have not made it to Adelaide. I have a paternal great uncle whose birth registration doesn't exist. I have his birth details from the family bible, and have met his descendants.
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Our posts crossed. :)
Thanks for that, Spike. So Richard obviously died sometime before 1877.
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Richard POLKINGHORNE and Mary nee POOLEY (POLEY) were at Kanmantoo when daughter Emily was born 22 May 1859 - Nai 17/81
A death at Kanmantoo for Richard POLKINGHORNE recorded age 39 on 2 Mar 1861 - Str 13/112
Essie
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Thanks Essie. When I saw that Richard, the age didn't look right. Looks better after several coffees.
Emily's birth is indexed as Polkinhorne (no G), just to make things difficult.
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Found their marriage details:
Richd POLKINHORN and May POLEY
at Holy Trinity Church, Adelaide on December 08, 1849
Groom 26 b 1823 Single
Bride 21 b 1828 Single (no father mentioned)
Adelaide, Book/Page 3/217
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Thanks Essie and Spike. Yes, I'm guessing the variations of spelling are partly due to a Cornish accent.
I did see their marriage on the family history SA site.
Well, only Caroline and Emmeline/Emma to go. ::)