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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Julie Curnick on Sunday 22 November 15 11:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi, trying to find John Hilson born 1831 Parish of St Andrews Plymouth. Immigrated to Australia in 1854. I have lots of family from Devon but this one is eluding me. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Welcome to Rootschat.
This looks like him in 1851, but not a lot of help. There is also a Sophia Parson with him in 1841
HO107; Piece: 1878; Folio: 56; Page: 1
Plymouth St Andrew
Sophia Parsons 34 head single Plymouth
Sophia Parsons 11 niece London
Mary Sawyer 74 mother Plymouth
John Helsen 19 nephew shipwright Stonehouse, Devon
Mary Fook 22 servant Ashburton, Devon
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1841 Plymouth St Andrews
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQTP-CSJ
Walter Sawyer M 65
Mary Sawyer F 60 Devon
Sophia Parsons F 25 Devon
John Hilson M 9 Devon
Sarah Maddeke F 15
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Thanks for your input, I have seen these and the 1841 senses is the closest I have come. There is a baptism
John Hilson 1831 1831 Anglican George East Stonehouse
Which I don't seem to be able to find on ancestory.
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John Hilson
DOB. 7th August 1831
East Stonehouse
Father: George Hilson a fisherman
Mother: Nancy Hilson
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Thanks Groom, he seems a strong possibility, thank you for your reply.
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Father George was buried aged 38 14 Aug 1832.
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Thanks DOB7 was John listed as a child of his.
I have found a George and Nancy from St Andrews Plymouth married in 1822. Its hard going trying to do these things remotely, but will persevere.
I will have a look for the 1832 death. This would mean he died 1 year after John was born.
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You also have the problem that you are working before formal registration of births, marriages and deaths, so will be relying on Parish Records, not all of which are on line.
The fact that his father died when he was so young could explain why he isn't with his parents in 1841 or 1851. His mother may also have died, or perhaps she remarried.
If the 1851 is correct and John is Sophia's nephew and Mary Sawyer is her mother, then it follows that Mary was John's grandmother. So his mother was Nancy Sawyer.
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Hey Groom, that is great hadn't got that far. Amazing!! Thank you
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Maybe not;
Walter SAWYER Married Mary PARSONS, 1838, Devon (Familysearch.Org)
Trish :)
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I was just looking at that, Trish. If that is them perhaps it was a second marriage for both of them. In which case that would mean that Nancy was probably Nancy Parsons and not Nancy Sawyer.
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Or again - perhaps not! What about this marriage?
George Hilson
Event Date 1822
Event Place Devon
Spouse's Name Nancy Stoyle
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC9K-5XC
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Baptism
Nancy Stoyle
Event Date 1797
Event Place Devon
https://beta.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC9N-VM5
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Yeah, but cant find any Children 1823-1830 for George/Nancy.
Bit of a confusing one as Mary may have been Married 3 times then.
Stoyle/Parsons/Sawyer
Not impossible if she was born c 1777
Cant find Sophia Parsons born London in 1841 Census age 1
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I cant get that 1797 Baptism to load for me.
Was the Mother a Mary?
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I cant get that 1797 Baptism to load for me.
Was the Mother a Mary?
Unfortunately no other information.
I think FamilySearch may be having problems this morning as I keep getting error notices and have to reload.
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Yes must be having hiccups.
11.30 at Night here :)
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Hi Trish
hey you two are amazing have to sit down and read all of this when I have a moment.
thank you
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Hi everyone Happy Easter!
Thank you for the leads you have given me late last year they did bare fruit and solved part of the mystery.
I am still trying to sort out George Hilson's parents. The Mary Hilson/Parsons/Sawyer (1841 Census) I think is Georges mother as she was 18 when he was born so if this is the case then who was his father?
The only Hilson Marriage I have been able to find (that fits) is Mary Damerel marrying a John Hillson on 29/04/1793 at Shaugh Prior
which would fit in with Georges birth in 1974.
What happened to John was he in the Plymouth Militia did he get killed in the Napoleonic/French conflict?? Did the same thing happen to James Parsons? I am still to look this up and will try today. Did this Mary have 3 husbands?
I hope you can shed some light on this little puzzle as you have done on the last query.
Regards
Julie
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Plymouth St Andrew marriages:
18 Aug 1838 Walter SAWYER, widower, father also Walter SAWYER; married Mary PARSONS, widow, father John HILSON (or HELSON can't decide). Witnesses: Sophia PARSONS and James BOULTER.
Holbeton marriages:
9 Nov 1798 James PARSONS, sojourner in this parish, married Mary HILSON, spinster of this parish.
Newton Ferrers baptisms:
29 Nov 1777 Mary HILSDON dau of John & Agnes of Revelstoke.
19 Nov 1775 Jenny HILSON dau of John & Agnes (so spelled both ways)
27 Jul 1783 Joanna HILSON dau of John & Egnes of Revelstoke
Revelstoke baptisms:
4 Nov 1785 Richard HELSON son of John & Agnes (This Richard married Catherine HEYDON in 1815 at Stoke Damerel. A witness at the marriage of George HILSON & Nancy STOYLE in 1822 was Cathrine HILLSON)
Revelstoke burials:
8 Mar 1844 Agnes HILSON aged 92 of Noss. (She is shown in the 1841 census as Agnes HIBSON living with Andrew WALKE and his wife Joannah. An Andrew WALK married a Joanna HILSON at Stoke Damerel 12 Jan 1810; wit: Rich & Jane HILSON)
So I think Mary only had 2 husbands. She was born a HILSON, married James PARSONS and then WALTER SAWYER.
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Thanks DOB7
that is most helpful in sorting Mary out.
But I still can't find Georges Birth/baptism or parents. Surely Mary cannot be his mother? I think she is his Aunt. So I will now look at these new suggestions. Perhaps she is his mother and he was born the wrong side of the blanket!
thank you again I appreciate your help and any other suggestions you would like to make.
Regards
Julie
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George HILSDEN was baptised at Revelstoke 12 Apr 1793 son of John & Agnes. Mary was his older sister. In the 1851 census, Sophia PARSONS aged 34 is head of family, so, Mary is her mother and John HELSEN is the nephew of Sophia and great-nephew of Mary.
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Thank you for that I will check all this out
Cheers
Julie
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Well you guys are just amazing in helping find the connections for this family.
since we last chatted. I have found John and Agnes Hilson/Hellson's marriage and I think John's mother and father.
I have searched three sources and come up with Thomas Hilson/Hellson and Mary Soper married 10 Nov 1740 at Lifton.
This seems to be a little outside of where we originally started searching and I wonder if there is another Thomas & Mary nearer to Plymouth?
Can you or anyone in the Devon group give me some direction as to where else to look?
With much thanks
Kindest regards
Julie
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PS
My aunt who is 91 years old has been researching out family trees for the last 30+ years. She was just so pleased that we found George! :D
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I am very happy for you both :)
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Hi all,
Well I think I have it all wrong I thought I had found John Hilson/Hellson/etc who married Agnes Hill.
But, I don't think I have. They were married 21 Oct 1774 at Revelstoke.
I thought I had found him but b: 1741 sounds too old.
Can anyone shed some light on this Please
thanks
Julie