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I think there were 3 brothers TWITCHIN who were raising their families in Newbury in 1851 ... they were;
Joseph who married Elizabeth 1826
Benjamin who married Emma 1839
Richard who married Emma 1840
Joseph was a 'bargeman' who could have been aboard a barge in 1851 although his home was in Cheap Street.
Where the others lived I have'nt determined but I do know that an aunt named Eliza TWITCHIN was probably the proprietor of the 'Black Bear Inn' in Market Place in 1851 and may have some of the family there at the same time.
It may be also that an older branch of the family headed by Andrew TWITCHIN and wife Sarah were living in Newbury at the same period.
Most of the recorded events Baptisms Marriages and Burials happened in St Nichlas' Parish.
Any help would be appreciated.
joboy
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There are various TWITCHINs, TWITCHINGs and TWITCHENs in the 1851 census. These appear to be the only ones that match :
HO107/1685 Folio 273 Page 32
Newbury District 1C
Market Place, Black Bear
Eliza TWITCHEN, Head, Unm, 52, Female, Licensed Victualler, Newbury Berks
Eliza TWITCHEN, Neice, Unm, 18, Female, House Servant, Newbury Berks
There is a whole raft of other people at this address (mainly visitors - Paying guests ?)
Chieveley District 3B
Tything of Curridge
HO107/1685 Folio 602 Page 21
Andrew TWITCHIN, Head, Mar, 68, Male, Farmer, Kingsclere Hants
Sarah TWITCHIN, Wife, Mar, 70, Female, , Thatcham Berks
Henry TWITCHIN, Son, Unm, 30, Male, Farmer of 190 acres employing 18 labourers, Newbury Berks
James FRITTER, Serv, Unm, 20, Male, Under Carter, Thatcham Berks
ALfred KENT, Serv, Unm, 20, Male, General Work, Hampstead Norreys Berks
Charles RUMBOLD, Serv, , 14, Male, Plough Boy, Curridge Berks
No sign of Joseph or Richard, but there is a Benjamin TWITCHER aged 33 married to Emma with a number of children. If you want this info, let me know.
Harry
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Thanks Harry .......... you've found a lot for me.
I have one of those names that gets easily 'mangled' and I am quite sure that the TWITCHER family is mine so I would certainly like that detail if you dont mind.
Joseph the 'bargeman' (was probably afloat at census) who lived in Cheap Street had a few small children at about that time and I'm sure would not be on the barge with him and one of the children was 'Annie' who might have been about 11 or 12 at census time and I would like to see if a mangled name appears in that street.
I am very pleased with the detail regarding old Andrew and Sarah.
joboy
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Joboy,
Here is the "TWITCHER"
Newbury District 1F
HO107/1685 Folio 356 Page 40
St Marys Hill. Bradley Yard
Name, Relationship, Status, Age, Gender, Occupation, Birthplace
Benjamin TWITCHER, Head, M, 33, M, Pauper labourer, Newbury Berks
Emma TWITCHER, Wife, M, 31, F, ,Newbury Berks
Emma TWITCHER, Daur, , 11, F, Scholar, Newbury Berks
Ann TWITCHER,Daur, , 9, F. scholar, Newbury Berks
Harriett TWITCHER, Daur, ,7, F, Scholar, Newbury Berks
Joseph TWITCHER, Son, , 5, M, Scholar, Newbury Berls
Benjamin TWITCHER, Son, ,3, M, Scholar, Newbury Berks
John TWITCHER, Son, , 6m, M, , Newbury Berks
You are right regarding the daughter:
Newbury District 1C
HO107/1685 Folio 269 Page 25, Schd 82
Cheap Street
Ann TWITCHEN, Daur, , 12, F, , Newbury Berks - note "Parents on river in barge"
She is the only record shown for this reference and I wonder whether this is transcribed incorrectly. You really need someone with access to the originals to confirm, there are listers who regularly go to the BRO who may be able to help.
Regards
Harry
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Well Done Harry ................. it all fits despite the usual mistranscriptions.
I would love to know more about the 'TWITCHINGS' that you found in the 1851 if it is no problem.
At an earlier date (1753 - 1779) at West Woodhay the name was 'TUTCHIN' and earlier still (1633 - 1799) at Inkpen there were 'many splendored' variations.
I think that those who attended the proceedings were either drunk,hard of hearing or perhaps the attendees had a speech impediment or all three!!
Do you perchance have the 1861 for Newbury?.
Thanks very much.
joboy
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Joboy,
The only TWITCHING in 1851 is Jane aged 74, Widow, b Newbury, living at a lodging house in Newbury.
In 1861, Benjamin has become TWITCHIN and has a new wife and family:
RG9/720
Folio 56 page 7
West Mills
Benjamin, Head, Mar, 43, Agricultural Laborer, Newbury
Hannah, Wife, Mar, 28, Shoe Binder, Newbury
Benjamin, Son, , 13, Scholar, Newbury
John, Son, , 11, Scholar, Newbury
Charles, Son, , 9, Scholar, Newbury
George, Son, , 8, Scholar, Newbury
Cate, Daur, , 6, Scholar, Newbury
Walter, Son, , 4, Scholar, Newbury
Alfred, Son, , 3, Scholar, Newbury
Sarah, Daur, , 4m, , Newbury
Benjamin jnr, Hannah and John are indexed as TWITCHAN - no idea why as they are all dittoed from Benjamin snr.
No sign of Joseph or Richard
Harry
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You've done it again Harry !!
Jane TWITCHING (groan) was the mother of Benjamin (he of many variations including a new one now 'TWITCHAN' sigh).
Benjamin's first wife died 1859 and he married a widow Hannah LEWIS in 1860.
I must keep searching for Richard and Joseph.
Thank you very much ............. it ties up a number of knots.
joboy
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You've done it again Harry !!
Jane TWITCHING (groan) was the mother of Benjamin (he of many variations including a new one now 'TWITCHAN' sigh).
Benjamin's first wife died 1859 and he married a widow Hannah LEWIS in 1860.
I must keep searching for Richard and Joseph.
Thank you very much ............. it ties up a number of knots.
joboy
joboy, I'm very interested in Hannah LEWIS, who I believe may have been the informant for death of 'my' William WESTAL [sic] in 1839 at Cheap Street. Do you have her maiden name, please, and witnesses to 2nd marriage?
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joboy, since writing the last mail I have discovered that an LDS submitter post-1991 has 'muddied the waters' of the Newbury bargemen. The IGI records a birthdate of 12 Mar 1820 for a Hannah LEWIS, and has linked her by marriage to your Benjamin, whereas his 2nd wife appears to have been born c1833. I'm still interested in her origins because 'my' WESTALLs are inextricably linked to the LEWIS families at West Mills.
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dee-jay ......... I am guilty of not checking my records before using my fingers on the keyboard.
Hannah LEWIS was not a widow when she married Benjamin.
She was a daughter of James LEWIS a Brewer.
This info gained from an old handwritten family tree and she died 1911 at Newbury aged 77.
Hope I have'nt misled you.
joboy
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Not to worry, adds to the thrill of the chase! However, are you aware of James LEWIS's parentage?
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No unfortunately ......... my records of Hannah illustrate the fact that she married Benjamin and that they had seven (known) children twixt 1861 and 1874.
I have plotted most of these.
joboy
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Ann TWITCHEN, Daur, , 12, F, , Newbury Berks - note "Parents on river in barge"
In my research on Newbury pubs I have obviously come across Twitchens as landlords of the Black Bear and Coopers Arms but I have recently discovered an Anne Twitchen in another all too common role in pub history - prostitute. I was wondering if this could be the same Ann(e)?
In 1859 she was involved in a case of theft that resulted in the jailing of the landlady of the Brunswick Arms for a year's hard labour - for instructing Anne to steal from a customer she was taking upstairs (and taking the proceeds). This incident ultimately led to the closure of the pub. The landlady, Mary Ann Groves (nee Skinner) and her husband, Thomas, were resident at the Black Bear in 1851 - leading me to wonder if there was any family connection between them and the Twitchens?
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That is interesting ...... I make the assumption that the Anne you mention would have been a daughter of the bargeman Joseph and her disposition brought about by long terms of loneliness whilst her father (and perhaps mother) were sailing the canals.
I did find an extract from 'The History of Newbury' written by Walter Money wherein he said;
'The Bear was shut up for some time and never again opened as an inn in consequence of a murder supposed to have been committed in some altercation between the mistress and her cook when one or the other of them was thrown downstairs .... it no longer exists'.
The Groves,Skinner and Twitchen connection would be worth investigating ... thanks.
Joe
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Not to worry, adds to the thrill of the chase! However, are you aware of James LEWIS's parentage?
Hi dee-jay ..... now that newburychap has stirred up this topic again I have found a little more about Hannah Lewis from an account written by a Twitchen researcher who died a few years ago .. she said;
'Benjamin married Hannah Lewis a much younger woman of 26 with two sons of her own Walter and George.In the 1861 census they were living at 50 West Mills Newbury.
Joe
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Many thanks, joboy.
As a consequence of your information, I believe Hannah is a contender for a niece of the Sarah LEWIS who married 'my' William WESTALL in 1820. In Toomer's 1815 Census James LEWIS 17 and Sarah 12 are recorded in the household of Francis & Sarah LEWIS at West Mills.
At last I'm inching towards a breakthrough into 18th Century Berkshire on one branch of my family ..... ;D
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Yeah it's good when you start to see daylight ....... means more digging though .... but we enjoy it.
Joe
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'The Bear was shut up for some time and never again opened as an inn in consequence of a murder supposed to have been committed in some altercation between the mistress and her cook when one or the other of them was thrown downstairs .... it no longer exists'.
The last record I have been able to find of the Bear dates from 1734 - while there is another business on the site in the 1780s. So it closed sometime between - whether Money's tale has any basis in fact is as yet undetermined (though I have spent a fair amount of time fruitlessly trying to find some evidence of such a murder). In truth I suspect the Bear was simply too old-fashioned and couldn't compete with the new inns springing up to cater for the coaching trade along the Bath Road. A court case such as described might have accelerated the end, but it was probably doomed anyway. The current building on the site was built in the mid 1700s - replacing the old Bear with modern accommodation.
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I think there were 3 brothers TWITCHIN who were raising their families in Newbury in 1851 ... they were;
Joseph who married Elizabeth 1826
Benjamin who married Emma 1839
Richard who married Emma 1840
Joseph was a 'bargeman' who could have been aboard a barge in 1851 although his home was in Cheap Street.
Where the others lived I have'nt determined but I do know that an aunt named Eliza TWITCHIN was probably the proprietor of the 'Black Bear Inn' in Market Place in 1851 and may have some of the family there at the same time.
It may be also that an older branch of the family headed by Andrew TWITCHIN and wife Sarah were living in Newbury at the same period.
Most of the recorded events Baptisms Marriages and Burials happened in St Nichlas' Parish.
Any help would be appreciated.
joboy
Hello Joboy
I have sent you a private message.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Many thanks, joboy.
As a consequence of your information, I believe Hannah is a contender for a niece of the Sarah LEWIS who married 'my' William WESTALL in 1820. In Toomer's 1815 Census James LEWIS 17 and Sarah 12 are recorded in the household of Francis & Sarah LEWIS at West Mills.
At last I'm inching towards a breakthrough into 18th Century Berkshire on one branch of my family ..... ;D
Hello DeeJay,
The 1841 has Hannah Lewis looking to be a daughter of James 45 and Sarah 56 with Eliza 25, Sarah 14, Francis 12, Hannah 10, and Benjamin 8 in that order. That is the Hannah that I have as 2nd wife of Benjamin Twitchin. My link is with one of their daughters.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Hi Vicwinann
It's a small world! I found an advert yesterday in a 1796 edition of the Reading Mercury pertaining to an auction of freehold estate fronting Northbrook Street, Newbury, comprising 3 substantial dwelling-houses, one of which was occupied by F. LEWIS, Linen-draper, and 5 tenements adjoining let to good tenants, one of whom was Francis LEWIS paying a rent of £9 p.a.
Serendipity?
dee-jay
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Hi DeeJay,
These things tend to come all of a rush after weeks, months, trying to find stuff.
Vicwinann
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Hi
I've just started constructing my family tree and came across this thread. My grandmother was Linda Mary Twitchen (I've come across various names for her, but this is what my granddad said her name was and I have an old diary of hers that she has written her name in) born 1873. I'm not sure how she fits in with everyone here, but Benjamin Twitchin and Hannah Lewis were her parents. She married Thomas Cook and had 7 children. Although my granddad moved away from Newbury when he got married, my parents moved there when they got married and so I grew up their too. I'd love to learn more about my family and the places they lived and worked in my hometown.
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It was Benjamin's second marriage (the first was to Emma Bradley 17-Feb-1839) to Hannah Lewis 26-Feb-1860 and they had the following children; Sarah Jane Twitchin, Frederick Baron Twitchin, Emily Twitchin, Ada Katherine Twitchin, Jessica Florence Twitchin, Mary Linda Twitchin, Ernest Richard Twitchin.
I guess that the Mary Linda could be yours.
Not sure what happened to Benjamin's first wife.
Joe
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Burial for Benjamin's first wife:
17th June 1859, St Nicolas Church Newbury, Emma Twitchen, aged 40
Burial for his 2nd wife:
2nd Sept 1911, Newtown Road Cemetery Newbury, Hannah Twitchen, aged 77
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Good morning everybody, I am the great grand son of Mary Linda twitchen and Thomas cook . I have just started to trace my tree and already I see that there is a lot of information on here about the family. Would be interested in hearing from any relatives on here or any body who can help me out. I'm particularly interested in finding my grandmother's siblings yes her name was Sylvia Gwendolyn cook born may 1912 , died nov 1996. Thanks in advance
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Hi I am the great grandson of Mary Linda twitchen, would be interested in chatting with you at some point, thanks in advance
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joboy has not been on here for some time so may not get your messages.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=819731.
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Hi
I've just started constructing my family tree and came across this thread. My grandmother was Linda Mary Twitchen (I've come across various names for her, but this is what my granddad said her name was and I have an old diary of hers that she has written her name in) born 1873. I'm not sure how she fits in with everyone here, but Benjamin Twitchin and Hannah Lewis were her parents. She married Thomas Cook and had 7 children. Although my granddad moved away from Newbury when he got married, my parents moved there when they got married and so I grew up their too. I'd love to learn more about my family and the places they lived and worked in my hometown.
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Hi would love to chat with you at some point,in the great grandson of Linda Mary twitchen