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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: proberton on Friday 27 November 15 02:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi All, brand new member here... I have tracked my Hume family ancestors from St Giles, Cripplegate in London to Greenlaw and now to Greenknowe and Stichill. Does anyone have any knowledge of the family in this area between c1750-1790? I have found the birth record of Thomas Hume baptised at Stichill 26 October 1748 , son of John Hume, tenant of Greenknowe. This Thomas Hume m. Janet Coltherd in 1779 in Greenlaw and their son George b 1779 in Greenlaw also. He became a very successful brewer and was invited to London to oversea brewing of scottish ale in a London brewery. Can anyone help me uncover their story please?
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Hello,
I realise this is a long shot, but I just discovered your post about the Hume family of Greenlaw. I've been trying to trace the family through Walter Hume, the brother of George. Please could you give me some more information about George? How did you manage to trace him from London to Greenlaw?
I'm also interested to know more about his career in brewing.
Hope that you see this. I realise that your post is almost 9 years old! :)
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You can find Scottish Records on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk free to search, small fee to see original records.
There are 53 Hume births/baptisms listed in Berwickshire, 1750 – 1790. There are 261 with the surname Home.
However Stichill is in Roxburghshire, GENUKI below.
"STITCHEL and HUME, an united parish in the district of the Merse, on the mutual border of Roxburghshire and Berwickshire. Stitchel is in Roxburghshire, and Hume is in Berwickshire; they were united in 1640; and each contains a village of its own name. The united parish is bounded by Gordon, Greenlaw, Eccles, Ednam, Nenthorn, and Earlston. Its length from north to south is between 5 and 6 miles; and its breadth is between 3 and 4 miles."
Colin
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Thank you. I've done a lot of research already at Scotland's People. I've just hit a bit of a brick wall at George.
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Sorry PMcK, my reply was to proberton, which I had not noticed was nearly 9 years old.
When were the Walter and George you mentioned born?
Colin
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No problem! Walter was baptised in 1781 and George in 1779, both at Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Scotland.
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I guess this is the family, have you traced the parents?
THOMAS HUME/JANET COLTHERD – married 18/10/1778 GREENLAW
GEORGE 31/12/1779
WALTER 20/09/1781
WILLIAM 23/03/1783
ALISON 16/03/1786
Colin
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Hi Colin, yes that's them. I think Thomas's father is probably called George but a few Ancestry users seem to think his name was John.
I'm really interested in George's brewing career that proberton mentioned as it would help connect to another family member.
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Tree and record on Ancestry.
Thomas Hume Baptism Date
26 Oct 1748 Baptism Place
Gordon, Berwickshire, Scotland
Father John Hume
Above not on SP, only record there that year but no Thomas there +/- 10 years..
ALEXANDER HUME 15/05/1748 GORDON
Father GEORGE HUME.
I agree I also think the father of George was more likely to be George.
I wonder if below is Janet?
JANET COLTHERD 19/06/1753 GRAITNEY OR GRETNA
Father WALTER COLTHERD
Colin
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Hi Colin,
Yes, I suspect that entry is for Janet. A couple of her siblings were born in Greenlaw so there seems to be some family connection between Gretna and Greenlaw.
Thanks again!
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1841 White Cross St. St Giles, Middlesex.
I note George age 60 a Publican, not born in County but no S to suggest Scotland?
Also William 25 & Charles 20 assume sons?
Tree on Ancestry states he died about 1844 Reigate, presume registration below is him?
HUME, GEORGE 64
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in REIGATE UNION IN THE COUNTY OF SURREY Volume 04 Page 299
It looks likely that his brother William is still in Greenlaw 1841.
Colin
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I had a look at that tree also, Colin. Of note is that none of the children for him were called Thomas or Janet. I can't see anything so far that would connect this George to Scotland with confidence www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/30154681/person/232342610780/facts
This George Hume is listed from at least 1819-1843 here https://londonwiki.co.uk/LondonPubs/Cripplegate/GrapesWhiteCross.shtml showing as Brewer and Victualler at The Grapes, 24 White Cross Street Cripplegate. He must have been in London by 1808 when he married a Sarah Royce. Christenings of two daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, in 1812 listed him as a Victualler.
The 1841 census shows him at White Cross Street with his two sons. Although he died in Reigate, Surrey, his burial was actually in the Parish of St Giles without Cripplegate on 24 October 1844.
Is he the son of Thomas and Janet though?
Monica
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Thanks both of you for looking at this. Much appreciated!
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Hello,
I realise this is a long shot, but I just discovered your post about the Hume family of Greenlaw. I've been trying to trace the family through Walter Hume, the brother of George. Please could you give me some more information about George? How did you manage to trace him from London to Greenlaw?
I'm also interested to know more about his career in brewing.
Hope that you see this. I realise that your post is almost 9 years old! :)
Hi PMcK, Between Colin and yourself you've recreated what I eventually found. Linking George to Thomas H and Janet Coltherd was a hunch in the first instance. I'd based it on the account in George Hume's Thirty five years in Russia . I them looked at the death records and went trawling through Scotland's People. Ultimately I found the siblings that Colin located. I never found any link to the Humes of Marchmont or anything like that. The subsequent research here really does shore up what was mostly a theory. You asked about the brewey side of things- I looked a couple of times but hit a brickwall. I'm rather galvanised by the discussion you've created here. I haven't looked at some of this stuff for ages - I can't even find where I'd located a free online version of 35 Years in Russia. I'll post more once I've done a bit more of a recap. Thanks for bringing it up after all these years!
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I guess this is the family, have you traced the parents?
THOMAS HUME/JANET COLTHERD – married 18/10/1778 GREENLAW
GEORGE 31/12/1779
WALTER 20/09/1781
WILLIAM 23/03/1783
ALISON 16/03/1786
Colin
Hi Colin, Food get here. I've responded to PMcK's original response more fully, but that's what I found previously.
Cheers,
Paul.
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Tree and record on Ancestry.
Thomas Hume Baptism Date
26 Oct 1748 Baptism Place
Gordon, Berwickshire, Scotland
Father John Hume
Above not on SP, only record there that year but no Thomas there +/- 10 years..
ALEXANDER HUME 15/05/1748 GORDON
Father GEORGE HUME.
I agree I also think the father of George was more likely to be George.
I wonder if below is Janet?
JANET COLTHERD 19/06/1753 GRAITNEY OR GRETNA
Father WALTER COLTHERD
Colin
Hi Again Colin,
This was where I hit a wall. I vaguely remember a couple of Janet Coltherds within a plausible date range. I'm going over some of my old stuff now.
Cheers
Paul
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I had a look at that tree also, Colin. Of note is that none of the children for him were called Thomas or Janet. I can't see anything so far that would connect this George to Scotland with confidence www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/30154681/person/232342610780/facts
This George Hume is listed from at least 1819-1843 here https://londonwiki.co.uk/LondonPubs/Cripplegate/GrapesWhiteCross.shtml showing as Brewer and Victualler at The Grapes, 24 White Cross Street Cripplegate. He must have been in London by 1808 when he married a Sarah Royce. Christenings of two daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, in 1812 listed him as a Victualler.
The 1841 census shows him at White Cross Street with his two sons. Although he died in Reigate, Surrey, his burial was actually in the Parish of St Giles without Cripplegate on 24 October 1844.
Is he the son of Thomas and Janet though?
Monica
Hi Monica,
Thanks for weighing in! As I said to PMcK in my response his post near the top of the thread - it was an educated guess. None of this ultimately demonstrates this George Hume is born in Scotland, son of Thomas and Janet Coltherd. It all fits, but there's no definitive proof my theory was right. George and Sara Royce have a son Walter, potentially perpetuating George's brothers name though. It's still a mystery, but this much is for sure - Genealogy is a team sport! Cheers, Paul.
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I wonder if this might help?
Only marriage I can find, record will need to be checked for any error?
GEORGE HOME JEAN SINKLER 30/11/1728 GORDON
GEORGE HUME JEAN SINKLAR 29/11/1728 STICHILL AND HUME (presume banns)
Children's records father George at STICHILL AND HUME
(May not all be same family would need to be checked)
ABRAHAM HUME GEORGE HUME/JENNET REEDPETH 07/05/1732
ALEXANDER HUME GEORGE HUME/JEAN ROBERTSON 01/08/1732
JAMES HOME GEORGE HOME/? 6/04/1735
THOMAS HUME GEORGE HUME/JEAN ROBISON 28/02/1738
JANNET HUME GEORGE HUME/JANNET REDPATH 22/06/1739
P (Male)HUME GEORGE HUME/JEAN ROBISON 22/11/1740
JANNET HUME GEORGE HUME/JEAN ROBISON 26/04/1743
GEORGE HUME GEORGE HUME/JEAN ROBISON 18/11/1745
MARGRAT HUME GEORGE HUME/JEAN ROBISON 3/09/1747
Colin
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Tree and record on Ancestry.
Thomas Hume Baptism Date
26 Oct 1748 Baptism Place
Gordon, Berwickshire, Scotland
Father John Hume
Above not on SP, only record there that year but no Thomas there +/- 10 years..
ALEXANDER HUME 15/05/1748 GORDON
Father GEORGE HUME.
I agree I also think the father of George was more likely to be George.
I wonder if below is Janet?
JANET COLTHERD 19/06/1753 GRAITNEY OR GRETNA
Father WALTER COLTHERD
Colin
Hi Again Colin,
This was where I hit a wall. I vaguely remember a couple of Janet Coltherds within a plausible date range. I'm going over some of my old stuff now.
Cheers
Paul
Edit- been back over some of my stuff. I have the ScotlandsPeople extract for the marriage of Thomas Hume and Janet Coltherd. 18 October 1778.
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Sorry for the late reply.
Just wanted to say thanks again to all of you for having a look at this. If I find anything further, I'll let you know! 🙂