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Hi,
Adding to information below.
I am looking for:
1) Immigration records for Sarah Twomey (nee Bennett) and husband. Waiting for marriage certificate to confirm parents of Edward George Twomey.
2) Also need to clarify if the Edward Twomey (Miner) at Gympie is my Edward George Twomey. Edward George Twomey is buried at 1929 Balmoral Cemetery and so is Maurice Twomey who died in 1944. Not sure if this my family.
3) Edward George and Edith Alice Twomey both died young and their surviving son Leonard Henry Twomey was reared by step sister Ena Graham (nee Mantle).
4) Also looking for immigration, Marriage and/or birth records for John Dwyer and Anne King.
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I am looking for ancestral information for Thomas Patrick Dwyer (?1851-1939) who married or partnered Hannah Levy ( ?1858 - 1945) about 1877. Unable to find marriage confirmation. Together they had eight children. Initially they were in NSW Australia but by 1908 they had settled in Ipswich Qld Australia. Hannah is buried in the Ipswich Cemetery Qld and Thomas Toowong Cemetery . Hannah's parents were Joseph Levy and ? Thompson and Thomas' father was known as John (maybe James) and mother Anne King.
Also looking for information on Edward George Twomey who married Edith Alice Josephine Dwyer / Mantle (1884 -1931) on 16 Dec 1922. Edith was daughter of Thomas and Hannah Dwyer and this was her second marriage. She had five children from her 1st marriage to Joseph Patrick Mantle and two with George Twomey her 2nd marriage.
If anyone can assist with info would love to hear from you,
Thanks Bevcal
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Hi Bevcal,
What sort of information are you seeking? You obviously have some details, so if you can, list what you know, and let our very talented Rootschat regulars help you fill in the blanks.
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Edward George TWOMEY death in QLD
1929 B8734 Edward George TWOMEY
Parents Maurice TWOMEY &Sarah BENNETT
And the death of a brother
1933 B19638 John TWOMEY
Parents Maurice TWOMEY &Sarah BENNETT
Death of Sarah. QLD
1922 B37615 Sarah TWOMEY
Father- Bennett -
Born Ireland aged 92 years
Maurice and Sarah had their first recorded birth in Victoria in 1853 and others followed.
I can list these if required.
I do not see Edward George recorded.
You can search here to find some family burials in Brisbane area.
https://graves.brisbane.qld.gov.au/
Sue
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You need a birth certificate for a child born to Thomas DWYER and Hannah to see birthplace and age of parents.........
Maybe try this one in NSW
13819/1891 DWYER Arthur R Glen Innes
parents Thomas / Hannah
.....and previous issue born to this couple.
Thomas Patrick DWYER d. 1939 is buried Toowong Cemetery, with daughter Edith Alice TWOMEY d. 1931, daughter-in-law Jessie DWYER d. 1928 and Ivy May Belle MANTLE d. 1932.
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Possibly your Thomas & his parents...
Baptism:
Thomas P DWYER bap. 1851 #V18511654 68
Parish: Roman Catholic, SUTTON FOREST, BERRIMA
Father: John DWYER
Mother: Anne
Marriage:
John DWYER m. Cantzy KING 1856 BERRIMA #1123
*Cantzy* is probably Nancy=Anne
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Hi.
May not be the correct Edward as he is at Gympie.
1900 Queensland State Electoral Roll (7th April 1900)
The Electoral District of Gympie
Twomey Edward, age 31, Pound Hill, Monkland, miner. qualified by residence, 23rd Jan 1900.
Gerry
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Thomas Patrick Dwyer and Hannah Dwyer were in Ipswich by 1903 as they are both on the 1903 Commonwealth Electoral Roll as residing at Down St Ipswich, with Hannah as domestic duties and Thomas as a smelter.
Gerry
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Hi.
May not be the correct Edward as he is at Gympie.
1900 Queensland State Electoral Roll (7th April 1900)
The Electoral District of Gympie
Twomey Edward, age 31, Pound Hill, Monkland, miner. qualified by residence, 23rd Jan 1900.
Gerry
Death of the child of Edward and Edith TWOMEY
1924 B4310 Edward Patrick George TWOMEY
Parents Edward TWOMEY & Edith DWYER, late MANTLE
This child is buried with the only Sarah TWOMEY recorded as dying in 1922 in QLD, Edward TWOMEY's mother
1922 B37615 Sarah TWOMEY
Father- Bennett -
Born Ireland aged 92 years
South Brisbane Cemetery
Surname TWOMEY EDWARD G
Date of Birth Unrecorded
Date of Death Unrecorded
Age 0
Date of Service 16-06-1924
Service Type Burial
Location 2F-105B
Sue
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Likely.
From the 1922 Commonwealth Electoral Roll, Edward Twomey residing with his mother, Sarah Twomey at Kennedy St, Windsor in Brisbane where Edward was a timber worker.
The family had earlier been up at Yarraman in the timber milling business.
Gerry
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Funeral Notice for Sarah Twomey, The Brisbane Courier, 24th July 1922, page 4.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20560720?searchTerm=
Gerry
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This could be the death of Maurice TWOMEY in Victoria, though I suspect an error in the age given
TWOMEY Maurice
Father Maurice
Mother
Age 42
Year 1880
Reg Number 5391
News item about a man named Maurice TWOMEY died suddenly at Sale 1880
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/150411749
Perhaps his widow Sarah opened a boarding house in the area in 1885 to earn a living ;D
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61923472
Sue
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Just to add.
In the 1922 Commonwealth Electoral Roll Edward Twomey and Sarah Twomey were residing at Kennedy St, Windsor in Brisbane. From the same Electoral Roll we find Edith Mantle residing also in Kennedy Street, Windsor. No other Mantle names on the Roll for Kennedy Street.
Gerry
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Two newspaper 1919 in Memoriam Notices for Joseph Mantle of Newmarket Road Wilston, Brisbane.
Very near Kennedy St, Windsor.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20388657?searchTerm=
Gerry
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If Edward TWOMEY was born about 1881, he would become eligible to register for voting in1903.
1903 finds some members of the TWOMEY family in Western Australia
Address. Hopkins street, Kambalie
TWOMEY
John.
Maurice James.
Eleanor. (wife of Maurice James)
Sarah.
Edward.
All the males were miners and both females performed HDs
The 1910 WA Roll
21 Hopkins Street, Kambalie
TWOMEY
John. Miner
Sarah. widow. HD
17 Hopkins Street, Kambalie
TWOMEY
Maurice James. Miner.
Eleanor . HD
TWOMEY
19 Hopkins Street, Kambalie
Edward. miner
Sue
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Nice research Sue.
1899 WA PO Directory
Twomey, M. J, Hopkins St, Boulder City.
Twomey, John, Hopkins St, Boulder.
Twomey, Gustave, hairdresser, Yarloop.
Twomey, Thos, foreman, Yarloop.
1900 WA PO Directory
Twomey, Maurice, miner, Bonnie Vale.
Twomey, Edward, miner, Bonnie Vale.
Twomey, Patk, miner, Bonnie Vale.
Twomey, Thomas, foreman, Yarloop.
Gerry
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Just to add.
In the 1922 Commonwealth Electoral Roll Edward Twomey and Sarah Twomey were residing at Kennedy St, Windsor in Brisbane. From the same Electoral Roll we find Edith Mantle residing also in Kennedy Street, Windsor. No other Mantle names on the Roll for Kennedy Street.
Gerry
Thank you Gerry this has been most helpful.
Bev
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1910 WA PO Directory
Twomey Geo, Hopkins St, Boulder.
Twomey, John, Hopkins St, Boulder City.
Twomey, Maurice. J, 17, Hopkins St, Boulder.
1911 WA PO Directory
Twomey, John, 21, Hopkins St, Boulder City.
Twomey, M.J, Hopkins St, Boulder
Nil for 1912 which may indicate a move to Yarraman in Queensland.
Gerry
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Nil for 1912 which may indicate a move to Yarraman in Queensland.
Gerry
Yes. Nine of the TWOMEY family including Edward and Sarah at Yarraman Creek, Qld in 1913 ;D
Sue
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Nil for 1912 which may indicate a move to Yarraman in Queensland.
Gerry
Yes. Nine of the TWOMEY family including Edward and Sarah at Yarraman Creek, Qld in 1913 ;D
Sue
Sue are you able to send this list to me please? I would be most grateful. thanks for you time and energy ...
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Edward George TWOMEY death in QLD
1929 B8734 Edward George TWOMEY
Parents Maurice TWOMEY &Sarah BENNETT
And the death of a brother
1933 B19638 John TWOMEY
Parents Maurice TWOMEY &Sarah BENNETT
Death of Sarah. QLD
1922 B37615 Sarah TWOMEY
Father- Bennett -
Born Ireland aged 92 years
Maurice and Sarah had their first recorded birth in Victoria in 1853 and others followed.
I can list these if required.
I do not see Edward George recorded.
You can search here to find some family burials in Brisbane area.
https://graves.brisbane.qld.gov.au/
Sue
Could you also send me this list please..? Thank you. Bev
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Edward George TWOMEY death in QLD
1929 B8734 Edward George TWOMEY
Parents Maurice TWOMEY &Sarah BENNETT
And the death of a brother
1933 B19638 John TWOMEY
Parents Maurice TWOMEY &Sarah BENNETT
Death of Sarah. QLD
1922 B37615 Sarah TWOMEY
Father- Bennett -
Born Ireland aged 92 years
Maurice and Sarah had their first recorded birth in Victoria in 1853 and others followed.
I can list these if required.
I do not see Edward George recorded.
You can search here to find some family burials in Brisbane area.
https://graves.brisbane.qld.gov.au/
Sue
Could you also send me the Vic birth list please..? Thank you. Bev
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The Victorian births
TOOMEY (sic) Thomas. Father Maurice. Mother Sarah Bennet (sic) At Hawthorn. 1853. Roman. Parish Melbourne Fiche 604
TWOMEY, Sarah Jane. Father Maurice. Mother Sarah Bennett. At Maffra. 1865. #23051
TWOMEY, Elizabeth. Father Maurice. Mother Sarah Bennet. At Maffra. 1867.#16010
TWOMEY, Timothy. Father Maurice. Mother Sarah Bennet . At Maffra, 1878. #17213
I think we must suspect not all were registered.
Sue
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1912 and 1913 show the same information.
QLD Electoral Roll.
Surname TWOMEY
Edward. Mill Hand. Yarraman Creek.
Elizabeth. HD Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
Ellinor Ann HD.Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
John.Timber getter. Yarraman Creek.
Margarita Jessie. HD. Yarraman Creek.
Maurice Augustus Publican. Yarraman Creek.
Maurice James. Timber getter. Yarraman Creek.
Sarah. HD. Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
Thomas. Mill Manager. Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
Sue
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1912 and 1913 show the same information.
QLD Electoral Roll.
Surname TWOMEY
Edward. Mill Hand. Yarraman Creek.
Elizabeth. HD Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
Ellinor Ann HD.Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
John.Timber getter. Yarraman Creek.
Margarita Jessie. HD. Yarraman Creek.
Maurice Augustus Publican. Yarraman Creek.
Maurice James. Timber getter. Yarraman Creek.
Sarah. HD. Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
Thomas. Mill Manager. Yarraman Creek Sawmills.
Sue
Thank you
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bevcal,
Please bear in mind these findings for the family are only speculative possibilities.
Certificates will help to make things more certain.
Sue
Adding for further speculation ;D
On the Electoral list above.....
Thomas and Elizabeth were possibly husband and wife.
Thomas was the son of Sarah
Maurice Augustus was I think the son of Thomas and Elizabeth
Margarita was the wife of Maurice Augustus
Ellinor was the wife of Maurice James
;D ;D ;D
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bevcal,
Please bear in mind these findings for the family are only speculative possibilities.
Certificates will help to make things more certain.
Sue
Adding for further speculation ;D
On the Electoral list above.....
Thomas and Elizabeth were possibly husband and wife.
Thomas was the son of Sarah
Maurice Augustus was I think the son of Thomas and Elizabeth
Margarita was the wife of Maurice Augustus
Ellinor was the wife of Maurice James
;D ;D ;D
I am wondering how Maurice Augustus and Maurice James fit in. Are they both sons of Sarah and Maurice? Is Thomas a son of Sarah before she married/ partnered Maurice Twomey.. looking for immigration details for this couple. Are you able to see what year this family made their way to Qld from Victoria.. I do appreciated your help. Thank you.
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bevcal,
Please bear in mind these findings for the family are only speculative possibilities.Certificates will help to make things more certain.
Sue
Adding for further speculation ;D
On the Electoral list above.....
Thomas and Elizabeth were possibly husband and wife.
Thomas was the son of Sarah
Maurice Augustus was I think the son of Thomas and Elizabeth
Margarita was the wife of Maurice Augustus
Ellinor was the wife of Maurice James
;D ;D ;D
Is Thomas a son of Sarah before she married/ partnered Maurice Twomey.. looking for immigration details for this couple. Are you able to see what year this family made their way to Qld from Victoria.. I do appreciated your help. Thank you.
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Is Thomas a son of Sarah before she married/ partnered Maurice Twomey..
No, his birth details have already been given to you by Sue.
Perhaps you should thoroughly read & then copy all the replies that have been posted on the thread.
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Is Thomas a son of Sarah before she married/ partnered Maurice Twomey.. looking for immigration details for this couple. Are you able to see what year this family made their way to Qld from Victoria.. I do appreciated your help. Thank you. bevcal
You are welcome Bev.
As Merlin suggests, the answers to your questions are in the replies already given.
The year of the removal from WA to QLD cannot be ascertained precisely, but the Electoral Roll details give a good indication.
Sue
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bevcal,
Please bear in mind these findings for the family are only speculative possibilities.
Certificates will help to make things more certain.
Sue
Adding for further speculation ;D
On the Electoral list above.....
Thomas and Elizabeth were possibly husband and wife.
Thomas was the son of Sarah
Maurice Augustus was I think the son of Thomas and Elizabeth
Margarita was the wife of Maurice Augustus
Ellinor was the wife of Maurice James
;D ;D ;D
It has taken me awhile to digest all this info and piece it together.
Is Thomas a son of Sarah before she married/ partnered Maurice Twomey.. looking for immigration details for this couple. What amazing information you have researched.. I do appreciated your help. Thank you so much.
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Is Thomas a son of Sarah before she married/ partnered Maurice Twomey..
No, his birth details have already been given to you by Sue.
Perhaps you should thoroughly read & then copy all the replies that have been posted on the thread.
Yes sorry, it has taken me awhile to digest.. All falling into place now... Thank you
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bevcal,
Please bear in mind these findings for the family are only speculative possibilities.
Certificates will help to make things more certain.
Sue
Adding for further speculation ;D
On the Electoral list above.....
Thomas and Elizabeth were possibly husband and wife.
Thomas was the son of Sarah
Maurice Augustus was I think the son of Thomas and Elizabeth
Margarita was the wife of Maurice Augustus
Ellinor was the wife of Maurice James
;D ;D ;D
It has taken me awhile to digest all this info and piece it together.
Still looking for immigration details for this couple. What amazing information you have researched.. I do appreciated your help. Thank you so much.
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This looks like them as assisted immigrants to Vic
TOOMAY Maurice
Age 22
Arrived July 1852
Per LADY MACDONALD
8 120
Born Cork. Can read. Roman Catholic.
TOOMAY Sarah
Aged 19
Arrived July 1852
Per LADY MACDONALD
8 120
Born Armagh. Church of England.Reads and Writes,
They were supported "on own account"
These details indicate Thomas, born in 1853, was the first child.
Sue
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bevcal,
I would strongly suggest you download the 1922 marriage certificate of Edward George TWOMEY and Edith Alice MANTLE.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births
It is the only way to tie all the threads together and be a little more certain we have the right family history.
The extensive information on the certificate will have been given by the couple themselves and I am particularly interested to know Edward's age at marriage.
The only indication I have found of Edward's age is from the cemetery record (which I have linked above) and shows 48 years at death. We have not located a birth record in Victoria.
The shipping list shows Sarah to be 19 years in 1852 so about 48 in 1881. :o
There is an inaccuracy somewhere! ::)
Also we suspect Maurice TWOMEY, Sarah's husband, may have died in May 1880 .
Sue
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Hi,
Jus a bit of info
Note: If you are researching Maurice Augustus Twomey I believe that he was also just called Gus Twomey or as per the 1899 WA PO Directory, Gustave Twomey, hairdresser at Yarloop. After being the Publican at Yarraman for a few years when they came over from WA he moved to Tweed Heads and became a hairdresser again then in about 1918 moved onto Sydney.
Maurice Augustus (Gus) Twomey died in NSW in 1963 age 86 parents, Thomas and Elizabeth. B.
Also, the Edward Twomey on the Qld State Electoral Roll in 1900 at Gympie had been born about 1869 as he registered as 31 when he qualified to be on the roll in 1900.
Gerry
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Gippsland Times Monday 17th May 1880, page 3.
Amongst all the local news and events appears this.
"Yesterday a man names Maurice Twomey died whilst being conveyed to the Hospital from the Star Hotel. He was suffering from heart disease."
Same newspaper but on page 2, the funeral notice.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61914105?searchTerm=
Maybe Maurice was involved somehow with the Star Hotel which I think was located in Sale.
Gerry
PS: Just realised that Sue had already posted the news article re the death, sorry for the double up.
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Funeral Notice for Edward TWOMEY18 Aug 1929 placed by his brothers Maurice, John and Thomas TWOMEY
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/97690691
1920 Obituary for another Edward TWOMEY who died in 1920 aged 54
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151520381
November 1929 court action involving Edward TWOMEY about a property at Murtoa. Offence took place in 1928
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/180091035
Sue
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From FamilySearch, Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898.
Marriage on 1st December 1851, Ballymore, County Armagh, Ireland
Maurice Toomey, father, Thomas and Sarah Bennett, father, Thomas.
Gerry
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From FamilySearch, Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898.
Marriage on 1st December 1851, Ballymore, County Armagh, Ireland
Maurice Toomey, father, Thomas and Sarah Bennett, father, Thomas.
Gerry
Thank you. Thank you
Just to let you know I have received marriage certificate of Edith Alice Dwyer/Mantle and Edward George Twomey and this is definitely our family..... so everyone was on the right road with this one... :) :)
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From FamilySearch, Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898.
Marriage on 1st December 1851, Ballymore, County Armagh, Ireland
Maurice Toomey, father, Thomas and Sarah Bennett, father, Thomas.
Gerry
Good on you Gerry!
I had no success in searching there for the marriage, but the trick must have been in the surname spelling ;D
Bevcal
How old was Edward at marriage please?
Does he state Maurice and Sarah as his parents?
Where was his usual place of residence at marriage?
Glad to hear the research has been in the right direction. ;D
Sue
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From FamilySearch, Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898.
Marriage on 1st December 1851, Ballymore, County Armagh, Ireland
Maurice Toomey, father, Thomas and Sarah Bennett, father, Thomas.
Gerry
Good on you Gerry!
I had no success in searching there for the marriage, but the trick must have been in the surname spelling ;D
Bevcal
How old was Edward at marriage please?
Does he state Maurice and Sarah as his parents?
Where was his usual place of residence at marriage?
Glad to hear the research has been in the right direction. ;D
Sue
Sue here is the info:
Edward George Toomey aged 45, Born Maffra Gippsland Victoria Australia, Parents: Maurice Toomey (Farmer) and Sarah Bennett HD
Edith Mantle Widow Aged 39 Parents : Born Koola NSW, Parents: Thomas Patrick Dwyer (Farmer) and Hannah Levy
Married on 16 Dec 1922
Married at "Auburn" Church Street Toowong Brisbane Qld Australia
Usual place of residence: Kennedy Street Windsor for both of them.
Marriage conducted according to Rites Baptist Church
Witnessed by Maurice James and Eleanor A Toomey
QLD BMD: B31389 -
This would make Edwards birth date 1877.
So am I.... so pleased to have received all this info.... I have been searching too but have to go to the library to access things like Electoral rolls etc.... that can be difficult when time poor...
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From FamilySearch, Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898.
Marriage on 1st December 1851, Ballymore, County Armagh, Ireland
Maurice Toomey, father, Thomas and Sarah Bennett, father, Thomas.
Gerry
Good on you Gerry!
I had no success in searching there for the marriage, but the trick must have been in the surname spelling ;D
Bevcal
How old was Edward at marriage please?
Does he state Maurice and Sarah as his parents?
Where was his usual place of residence at marriage?
Glad to hear the research has been in the right direction. ;D
Sue
Sue here is the info:
Edward George Toomey (Bachelor) aged 45, Born Maffra Gippsland Victoria Australia, Parents: Maurice Toomey (Farmer) and Sarah Bennett HD
Edith Mantle Widow Aged 39 Parents : Born Koola NSW, Parents: Thomas Patrick Dwyer (Farmer) and Hannah Levy
Married on 16 Dec 1922
Married at "Auburn" Church Street Toowong Brisbane Qld Australia
Usual place of residence: Kennedy Street Windsor for both of them.
Marriage conducted according to Rites Baptist Church
Witnessed by Maurice James and Eleanor A Toomey
QLD BMD: B31389 -
This would make Edwards birth date 1877.
So am I.... so pleased to have received all this info.... I have been searching too but have to go to the library to access things like Electoral rolls etc.... that can be difficult when time poor...
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From FamilySearch, Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898.
Marriage on 1st December 1851, Ballymore, County Armagh, Ireland
Maurice Toomey, father, Thomas and Sarah Bennett, father, Thomas.
Gerry
Good on you Gerry!
I had no success in searching there for the marriage, but the trick must have been in the surname spelling ;D
Bevcal
How old was Edward at marriage please?
Does he state Maurice and Sarah as his parents?
Where was his usual place of residence at marriage?
Glad to hear the research has been in the right direction. ;D
Sue
Sue here is the info:
Edward George Toomey aged 45, Born Maffra Gippsland Victoria Australia, Parents: Maurice Toomey (Farmer) and Sarah Bennett HD
Edith Mantle Widow Aged 39, Born Koola NSW, Parents: Thomas Patrick Dwyer (Farmer) and Hannah Levy
Married on 16 Dec 1922
Married at "Auburn" Church Street Toowong Brisbane Qld Australia
Usual place of residence: Kennedy Street Windsor for both of them.
Marriage conducted according to Rites Baptist Church
Witnessed by Maurice James and Eleanor A Toomey
QLD BMD: B31389 -
This would make Edwards birth date 1877.
So am I.... so pleased to have received all this info.... I have been searching too but have to go to the library to access things like Electoral rolls etc.... that can be difficult when time poor...
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This looks like them as assisted immigrants to Vic
TOOMAY Maurice
Age 22
Arrived July 1852
Per LADY MACDONALD
8 120
Born Cork. Can read. Roman Catholic.
TOOMAY Sarah
Aged 19
Arrived July 1852
Per LADY MACDONALD
8 120
Born Armagh. Church of England.Reads and Writes,
They were supported "on own account"
These details indicate Thomas, born in 1853, was the first child.
Sue
Is there a link I can access for these shipping records Sue... Have tried but can't find them... Thanks Bev
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This is the link which located the indexed assisted immigration.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24
The details from Ancestry digitised manifest.
Use spelling TOOMAY as I have given it.
Sue
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Mmmm...
45 at marriage giving birthdate of 1877.
The child Sarah and Maurice had in 1878 at Maffra was named Timothy TWOMEY.
She was then 45.
I think it unlikely there was another birth to her the following or previous year.
I have had a quick scan around for records of this Timothy, but cannot place a Timothy in the same areas or make a connection with the others we know of the family. Others may do better ;D
So we may never know whether Edward and Timothy TWOMEY were one in the same.
Whether there was no registration..
Whether the registration never made it to the record-keepers.
Sue
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Hi,
Great news about the marriage certificate but as for Edward's age don't necessarily believe that he was 45. I have a number of marriage certificates were older men have adjusted their age backwards when they were married.
Even though we haven't at this point in time found his birth registration in reality Edward was probably older than 45.
Gerry
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Yes, Gerry.
I agree ;D (especially from his mother's age being 19 in 1852)
He very likely wanted to move closer in age to the new wife and no proof of age was required.
Sue
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In the Obituary posted for Edward TWOMEY in 1920 it says he has 2 brothers John and Timothy TWOMEY. So Edward and Timothy not the same person.
Cheers Leonie
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In the Obituary posted for Edward TWOMEY in 1920 it says he has 2 brothers John and Timothy TWOMEY. So Edward and Timothy not the same person.
Cheers Leonie
Funeral Notice for Edward TWOMEY18 Aug 1929 placed by his brothers Maurice, John and Thomas TWOMEY
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/97690691
1920 Obituary for another Edward TWOMEY who died in 1920 aged 54
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151520381
November 1929 court action involving Edward TWOMEY about a property at Murtoa. Offence took place in 1928
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/180091035
Sue
The Edward TWOMEY of interest in bevcal's query died in 1929.
I have mentioned the obituary of another Edward TWOMEY merely to eliminate that man from our search. Yes, that man who died in 1920, had a brother called Timothy.
Sue
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Hi, A bit more information on Edward and Edith Twomey.
Many of the earlier Queensland State Electoral Rolls held at the Queensland State Archives were annotated by Electoral Officers for things such as, not voting, a death, a change of name, a change of electorate etc and with respect to Edward and Edith Twomey we find a few interesting facts.
The 1923 Qld State Electoral Roll.
The Electoral District of Windsor.
Edward Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor.
Edith Mantle, Kennedy St, Windsor. With Mantle crossed out and annotated Twomey.
Edward qualified to be on that roll on 21st Nov 1922 and Edith Mantle on 5th Jan 1923.
1925 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Windsor.
Edward Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, timber worker.
Edith Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, house wife.
1926 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Windsor.
Edith Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, house wife. Annotated "Cairns"
Edward Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, timber worker. ditto
This indicates a move to the Cairns Electorate.
1927 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Cairns
Edward Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, Sawyer. Qualified to be on the roll, 6th April 1926.
Edith Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, house wife, qualified to be on the roll, 26th March, 1926.
This would indicate a move to Cairns in late 1925 or early 1926, depends what the qualifying period was.
1928 ditto 1927.
1929 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Cairns
Edward Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, Sawyer. Annotated "Dead"
Edith Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, house wife.
The 'Dead" annotation indicates that Edward had died but more interestingly was written in very feint hand writing what appeared to be "Diamantina (Sect 19)". Does this mean Section 19 of the Electoral Act, probably and "Diamantina" does this refer to where he may have died, if so its a long way from Cairns. Maybe a death certificate is needed!
1930 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Cairns
Edith Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, house wife. Annotated "Obj" which refers to an objection, in other words did not vote which means that Edith had moved out of Cairns to somewhere, she was not on the 1931 Cairns Roll.
Cairns Post, Thursday 6th June 1929, page 4.
MAGiSTRATES COURT,
M. V. Michilios v. Edith Twomey, rent due, L15 with 15/- costs.
Gerry
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In the Obituary posted for Edward TWOMEY in 1920 it says he has 2 brothers John and Timothy TWOMEY. So Edward and Timothy not the same person.
Cheers Leonie
Funeral Notice for Edward TWOMEY18 Aug 1929 placed by his brothers Maurice, John and Thomas TWOMEY
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/97690691
1920 Obituary for another Edward TWOMEY who died in 1920 aged 54
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151520381
November 1929 court action involving Edward TWOMEY about a property at Murtoa. Offence took place in 1928
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/180091035
Sue
Hi Sue,
There was a son Timothy. Of course you knew that and you are wondering if this is indeed Edward...
Victorian BMD:
TWOMEY Given names Timothy Event Birth Father's name / Spouse's family name Maurice Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given name Sarah (Bennett) Reg. year1878 Reg. no17213
There were many " change of life babies in those days" --haphazard birth control in those days :) :) then... :) :)
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The Edward TWOMEY of interest in bevcal's query died in 1929.
I have mentioned the obituary of another Edward TWOMEY merely to eliminate that man from our search. Yes, that man who died in 1920, had a brother called Timothy.
Sue
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Hi bevcal,
I think Rootschat will work better for you if you ignore the button marked "quote"
Just use "reply" and type away in the window that opens ;D
Sue
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Hi, A bit more information on Edward and Edith Twomey.
Many of the earlier Queensland State Electoral Rolls held at the Queensland State Archives were annotated by Electoral Officers for things such as, not voting, a death, a change of name, a change of electorate etc and with respect to Edward and Edith Twomey we find a few interesting facts.
The 1923 Qld State Electoral Roll.
The Electoral District of Windsor.
Edward Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor.
Edith Mantle, Kennedy St, Windsor. With Mantle crossed out and annotated Twomey.
Edward qualified to be on that roll on 21st Nov 1922 and Edith Mantle on 5th Jan 1923.
1925 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Windsor.
Edward Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, timber worker.
Edith Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, house wife.
1926 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Windsor.
Edith Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, house wife. Annotated "Cairns"
Edward Twomey, Kennedy St, Windsor, timber worker. ditto
This indicates a move to the Cairns Electorate.
1927 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Cairns
Edward Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, Sawyer. Qualified to be on the roll, 6th April 1926.
Edith Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, house wife, qualified to be on the roll, 26th March, 1926.
This would indicate a move to Cairns in late 1925 or early 1926, depends what the qualifying period was.
1928 ditto 1927.
1929 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Cairns
Edward Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, Sawyer. Annotated "Dead"
Edith Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, house wife.
The 'Dead" annotation indicates that Edward had died but more interestingly was written in very feint hand writing what appeared to be "Diamantina (Sect 19)". Does this mean Section 19 of the Electoral Act, probably and "Diamantina" does this refer to where he may have died, if so its a long way from Cairns. Maybe a death certificate is needed!
1930 Qld State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Cairns
Edith Twomey, Minnie St, Cairns, house wife. Annotated "Obj" which refers to an objection, in other words did not vote which means that Edith had moved out of Cairns to somewhere, she was not on the 1931 Cairns Roll.
Cairns Post, Thursday 6th June 1929, page 4.
MAGiSTRATES COURT,
M. V. Michilios v. Edith Twomey, rent due, L15 with 15/- costs.
Gerry
Hi Gerry,
Yes this family were in Cairns. Their second son Leonard Henry Twomey was born in Cairns (as per WW2 records) so they did move there in 19 24/ 25 but Edward and Edith both died in Brisbane and are buried there. Edith in Toowong and Edward at Balmoral along with Maurice James and his son Maurice James. Edward and George's first born Edward Patrick George was either stillborn or died in his first year of life. He is in an unmarked grave at South Brisbane General Part A QLD - Portion 2F - Inscription Id: 8290152 - Buried next to Grandmother Sarah
Bev
PS: Unless he died in Cairns and they transported his body back to Brisbane....
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Thanks Sue.
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Hi bevcal,
The feint hand written notation against Edward's name in the 1929 Electoral Roll in Cairns has significance.
"Diamantina (Sect 19)" I think refers to Edward being away from Cairns because he was a patient at the Diamantina Hospital in Brisbane and Section 19 part ii of the Queensland Electoral Act states in brief that 'inmates of a charitable institution shall be deemed to be on the Electoral Roll in the Electoral District before they were admitted'.
It appears that the Diamantina Hospital which I believe was a Public Charitable Institution was at that time a hospital for consumptive patients.
Gerry
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Hi Gerry
That would explain Edward's death in Brisbane. They had been living in Cairns prior to his death and things would have been tough with no money coming in. That would fit in with the rent scenario. Poor Edith her first husband died in 1918 leaving her to rear a young family and now this.
Bev
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Continuing on with search for ancestors
Still searching for Hannah Dwyer nee Levy or Levi ancestors.
I have received her son Arthur Reginald Dwyer's Birth Certificate stating he was born at Hoggs Creek, Dundee District of Glen Innes NSW on 19 Feb 1891.
1: She was 34 and Thomas Patrick was 40 at the time of his birth.
2: Thomas and Hannah married on 22 June 1876 in Seymour Victoria.
3: Hannah was born in Sale Victoria
4: Thomas at Redfern Sydney NSW.
My dilemma is I cannot find their marriage details nor Hannah's birth details. I am trying to locate her parent's names so I can proceed in my search to find how they came to Australia.
Can anyone suggest a way forward??
I have discovered that the Levy is connected to the Jewish religion. Many Levy's buried at Jewish Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney.
I have also found this birth record in Vic BMD which may have some bearing:
LEVI Hannah- Event Birth: Father's name: George - Mother's maiden name Ann (Toogood) - Reg. year 1857 - Reg. no: 15717
Hannah's death record in Qld BMD: 1945 - C618 - Hannah Dwyer - Joseph Levy - Thompson
Thompson or Toogood) ?? If the grandparents died in early years the grand children may never have known them so may not remember names etc.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.. Thank you :)
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I have also found this birth record in Vic BMD which may have some bearing:
LEVI Hannah- Event Birth: Father's name: George - Mother's maiden name Ann (Toogood) - Reg. year 1857 - Reg. no: 15717
Hannah's death record in Qld BMD: 1945 - C618 - Hannah Dwyer - Joseph Levy - Thompson
Thompson or Toogood) ?? If the grandparents died in early years the grand children may never have known them so may not remember names etc.
George LEVI (b. PRUSSIA) 43yrs d. 1859 #4255
Parents: Raphael & Sarah
Remarriage:
Anne LEVI m. Richard Phillip THOMAS 1861 #328
Death:
Ann THOMAS 63yrs d. 1895 WARRNAMBOOL #11437
Parents: Edward TOOGOOD & Hannah BROWN
There are 9 births registered for Ann's two marriages. Many of them are easy to trace.
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Quote:
"George LEVI (b. PRUSSIA) 43yrs d. 1859 #4255
Parents: Raphael & Sarah
Remarriage:
Anne LEVI m. Richard Phillip THOMAS 1861 #328
Death:
Ann THOMAS 63yrs d. 1895 WARRNAMBOOL #11437
Parents: Edward TOOGOOD & Hannah BROWN"
There are 9 births registered for Ann's two marriages. Many of them are easy to trace."
Thank you. There is a Hannah in this family but my Hannah has given her birth town as Sale this one is W'BOOL.
I am now convinced this is not my family...
This Hannah married Emanuel BONNETT
BONNETT Hannah Death Father's name LEVY George Mother's maiden name Ann (Toogood) Reg. year1941 Reg. no18173
Thank you and will keep searching.. :)
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Hi
I am Hannah Dwyer's great grand daughter....
My grandfather was William Bede Dwyer born in Morven Qld.
I share your frustration....cannot find the birth certificate nor the marriage certificate.
Am also trying to track her parents - Joseph and ? Thompson....
Hannah did not speak of her family and from what I was told there was a split in her family when she married into the Dwyer family. I am guessing it might be the Jewish family /religion that caused the split. I am yet to prove my "theory" but I think Hannah immigrated to Australia from the UK...I have found a couple of immigration records but yet to link it together. I remember Uncle Joe along with Uncle Arthur and the others..... and my Mother has memories of both Joe & Edith. I have the records of the children/dates of birth/where they were born. They moved around a lot searching for work ....
They finally settled in Ipswich because of work with the railways.
My grandfather joined the Australian Navy and was on the first Australian Naval Ship to enter Japan...he was also in the merchant navy and went to China before it was open to the world.
I have 2 prints he brought back from Shanghai that I treasure.
Please let me know what you records you need (other than the 2 we are both looking for)
Jules
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HI Jules,
Sent you a PM... Let me know if you don't get it.
Cheers Bev
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Jules may or may not be able to see your PM; she definitely won't be able to send one back, until she has at least 3 posts.
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Thank you. I want to give her my email address so we can compare research. Don't really awan to add it here.. :)
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Hi
I am Hannah Dwyer's great grand daughter....
My grandfather was William Bede Dwyer born in Morven Qld.
I share your frustration....cannot find the birth certificate nor the marriage certificate.
Am also trying to track her parents - Joseph and ? Thompson....
Hannah did not speak of her family and from what I was told there was a split in her family when she married into the Dwyer family. I am guessing it might be the Jewish family /religion that caused the split. I am yet to prove my "theory" but I think Hannah immigrated to Australia from the UK...I have found a couple of immigration records but yet to link it together. I remember Uncle Joe along with Uncle Arthur and the others..... and my Mother has memories of both Joe & Edith. I have the records of the children/dates of birth/where they were born. They moved around a lot searching for work ....
They finally settled in Ipswich because of work with the railways.
My grandfather joined the Australian Navy and was on the first Australian Naval Ship to enter Japan...he was also in the merchant navy and went to China before it was open to the world.
I have 2 prints he brought back from Shanghai that I treasure.
Please let me know what you records you need (other than the 2 we are both looking for)
Jules
Hi Jules,
As you have not yet responded to my personal message I will assume that you haven't received it. I am very interested in making contact with you to trade information. I would love to hear more about Joe and Ethel. It appears you need to make three posts before I can Personal message you.
I have also send a message through My Heritage Family Tree Builder. ( I hope I have the right Jules) I have given you an email address there as well which you can make contact if you want.
Hope to hear from you soon;
Cheers Bev
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Hi Jules,
I'm Thomas and Hannahs GGGranddaughter, Teresa(nee Dwyer) and I'm quite excited to stumble upon this post. I have been searching for years to find someone who is related to my Dwyer family. I have a mountain of information regarding Thomas and Hannah. My connection to them is through their son Arnold Ernest Icely Dwyer.....
Gosh I'm completely over the moon to find you and would love to hear from you.
I can tell you this, Hannah was born in Largs, Glasgow, Scotland and was Jewish. I have quite a few gaps I would love to fill in and maybe just a thousand questions to ask if you would be so kind as to help me answer them and I would love to help you fill in any gaps you might have.
Teresa :)
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Hi Bev,
I'm Thomas and Hannahs GGGranddaughter, Teresa(nee Dwyer) and I'm quite excited to stumble upon this post. I have been searching for years to find someone who is related to my Dwyer family. I have a mountain of information regarding Thomas and Hannah. My connection to them is through their son Arnold Ernest Icely Dwyer.....
I can tell you this, Hannah was born in Largs, Glasgow, Scotland and was Jewish. I have quite a few gaps I would love to fill in and maybe just a thousand questions to ask if you would be so kind as to help me answer them and I would love to help you fill in any gaps you might have.
Teresa :)
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Hi Teresa,
I would love to make contact with you. I have some information about this family which I might add is not really mine. I was doing this research for my brother-in-law.
If you could somehow personal message your email address that would be good.. I am not sure how to do that.
Cheers
Bev
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Bev, you just click on the little icon that looks like a SIM card, below the person's stars, to send a PM.
Teresa needs to make anther post before she can send PMs.
Jamjar
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Hi Bev . I have been offline for awhile due to ill health. I have been asking my mum questions abt Hannah and Thomas. She remembers them plus the stories my grandmother told her.
Jules.
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Hi Teresa...I have been offline due to ill health and had not seen your post until now. I am so excited to find your post and also Bev's.
So happy to hear the link with Hannah and Glasgow/Jewish. Nice to know I wasn't imagining it. I have photos of Tom with my grandmother daisy (William Bede's wife) and one of Hannah with Daisy. I have had my family history "on hold" but 2019 is the year to get back into it. I look fwd to sharing notes. Take care and merry Xmas.
Jules (julene)
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Hi Jules and Bev,
I apologise for my lack of response. Life just gets in the way and before you know it, 2 years go by. I would still love contact you both and swap information. Jules I would LOVE to see the family photos you have. I didn't see your last message, I'm sorry.
Hopefully you both see this message :)
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I would like to suggest that your Hannah Levy is one and the same as my missing Hannah Woodcroft born born 2nd October, 1856 Cooma. Hannah had a child, Liley [sic] Eliza Stirling Woodcroft in 1874 Cooma. Hannah Woodcroft, spinster, is recorded on the names of lapsed conditional purchasers of land in Cooma in February 1878 - possibly portion 23 Rosebrook Run. This is the last recorded sighting I have of Hannah. She disappears from the records.
However, I have found four DNA matches to family lines from Hannah Levy and partner Thomas Patrick Dwyer. My Hannah’s parents were Joseph Woodcroft and Susan Thompson. You can view my webpage for them here: http://lintywhite.com/woodcroft3.html By all accounts, Joseph Woodcroft was a volatile person and may have turned his back on his Hannah after she had a baby out of wedlock. Of interest is the fact that Joseph had a brother named Levi Woodcroft.
The Woodcroft family is my husbands family but I have been researching them for over 20 years now. I would value your thoughts on the above. Jennifer
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Hi Bev and Jules
It’s been a long while and I was hoping either of you still use this site?
Kind Regards
Teresa Dwyer
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Hi Teresa, bev and Jules
Would your dwyers originate from Tipperary and came to Australia c1840s?