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Title: w mate
Post by: roly on Monday 30 November 15 13:20 GMT (UK)
Trying to find details of the career of a W. Mate who was evidently a performer in the theatre in Deal around the time of the Na
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 30 November 15 13:26 GMT (UK)
The time of the Na?
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 30 November 15 13:57 GMT (UK)
Is this the one you mean?

".... Mate of Dover also presented material in a similar way at the head of one of his printings where there are notes indicating that Boney from Moscow was 'A Comic Song, Written & Sung by W. Mate at the Theatre, Deal with unbounded applause' and that, likewise, Bonaparte's Flight from Leipsic was 'Written and Sung by W. Mate at the Dover Theatre, in Character of a French Officer, with most unbounded applause'."

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/d_nelson.htm
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 30 November 15 13:57 GMT (UK)
What time frame are you looking at ? I can find newspaper references to a Mr Mate , clown/comedian, performing in Kent in the late 18th century and to a Charles Mate , also involved in the theatre. This article refers to a W Mate performing comic songs in Dover and Deal :
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/d_nelson.htm


I beg your pardon , Shaun , I was a bit slow off the mark !

Christine
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: roly on Monday 30 November 15 15:11 GMT (UK)
I messed up on my original request: my apologies.

The mustrad Mate is the one - it was me who wrote the article you refer to; but I can't find any details of this W. Mate.  Was he a relative of Charles Mate?

I can't, either, find anything about the Deal theatre in question - late eighteenth and early nineteenth century...

Apart from which, when did Charles Mate finish working in the theatre and take up printing?  My first reference to a printing dates to 1807.

roly
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 30 November 15 15:34 GMT (UK)
According to Charles Mate's obit in the Kentish Chronicle of 16 September 1825, he carried on acting until a very few years before his death.
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: roly on Monday 30 November 15 16:03 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the Kentish Chronicle lead...  The LAST reference I have to a Charles Mate printing is to 1820.  Maybe CM continued to act right through his printing career.

W. Mate remains unknown to me.

roly
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 30 November 15 16:10 GMT (UK)
 
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The LAST reference I have to a Charles Mate printing is to 1820

1822 reference in the Gazette - bottom left of page https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/17826/page/1002/data.pdf
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 30 November 15 17:01 GMT (UK)
Charles Mate listed as a printer in this 1824 Directory. Page 391 or image 16 of 45 of the Kent section: http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/ref/collection/p16445coll4/id/167102
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: roly on Monday 30 November 15 17:08 GMT (UK)
Shaun...

I've been working on Charles Mate for over two years and - I think and hope - that I've found all the references that aren't entirely obscure (and this includes The Gazette, etc.).  I don't mean to be rude at all.  It's this W. Mate that I can't get a handle on.

roly.
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: AJ100 on Wednesday 02 December 15 12:39 GMT (UK)
William & Ann MATE had a daughter Harriet baptised at St Leonard's, Deal in 1811.
Charles MATE married Hanna DEVESON in 1802 at St Leonard's.
Susanna MATE maried Joseph ROUSE in 1800.
Specific dates if you want them.

AJ
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: roly on Wednesday 02 December 15 13:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks, A J - the first glimpse I've had of a William Mate; and your notes 'fit' my general Mate enquiry.

roly
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 02 December 15 15:25 GMT (UK)
There were a few people named William Mate living in that area at that time.

There is one in Dover in the 1841 census, aged 55.

There was another one who was buried at St Mary's Dover in 1833, aged 65.

There was a grocer in New Romney who died in 1812.

Title: Re: w mate
Post by: roly on Thursday 11 February 16 16:21 GMT (UK)
Managed to find most refs. - from these pages - to Charles Mate but unable to raise the Kentish Chronicle obit of 1825.

Still nothing about the Deal theatre; nor about W. Mate...

roly
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: roly on Thursday 21 July 16 13:43 BST (UK)
After my last enquiries - began a search of newspapers and found that the Deal Theatre was converted into a 'manufactory' in 1816.  The only other reference to the theatre (that I found) was to 1806 (Ipswich Journal).

Thus, the search for clues about 'W. Mate' - and, indeed, Charles Mate, the subject of my original enquiry, have hardly progressed.

I do note that there were some newspaper references (from CB53) to W. Mate 'comic/comedian' but have not found any yet.  Likewise, I haven't been able to get hold of  the Kentish Chronicle obit. for Charles Mate in 1825.

If anyone can elaborate on these morsels I'd be grateful.

roly
Title: Re: w mate
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 21 July 16 13:56 BST (UK)
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I haven't been able to get hold of  the Kentish Chronicle obit. for Charles Mate in 1825.

It's quite easy to find in the British Newspaper Archive or in FindMyPast. Just search for Charles Mate in September 1825. They have indexed the paper as the Kentish Weekly Post or Canterbury Journal