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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: Medici47 on Friday 04 December 15 21:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi. I wondered if anyone knows about a property in Rosemarket village from the late 1700s where a Richard Rees lived, my greatx4 grandfather lived. It was called Horse Park and Richard was a tenant there. His father was a Thomas Rees who also lived there before him. The owner of the property was a Mrs Barlow. Any information about the place or the Rees' welcome.
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Hi the only mention I can locate unless their were more than one Horse Park/s in Pembrokeshire is via the 1851 census HO107/2475/713/6 in Jeffreston, Narberth about 16 miles away from Rosemarket, hopefully someone will obtain info for you c 1700 Rosemarket Horse Park.
Keyboard86
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I'm wondering if this is connected - from The Pembrokeshire Herald and General Advertiser of 4th September 1857
GAME NOTICE. TAKE NOTICE, ALL PERSONS found Trespassing in pursuit of Game, or otherwise, on the several Farms of FOREST, RHYGIAN, and VOIDREGREGOG in the parish of Newport; CASTLEBYTHE. and HENNA, in the parish of Castlebvthe; FERNHILL, WEST- FIELDS, CRISPIN HALL, DERBY and HORSE PARK, in the parish of Haroldstone St. Issels, all in the county of Pembroke, will be prosecuted. Courtyralla, August 29, 1857. G. G. ROUS.
Haroldstone St. Issels appears to cover the area south of Merlins Bridge, Haverfordwest, towards freystrop, if not as far as Rosemarket - see the first large map on this page
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Prendergast/ParishMap
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Thanks for the replies. I will look into them. If anyone knows anything about Richard Rees born around 1760 I would be interested.
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Hi again is Richard Rees the one shown as aged 75 occ Ship Wright with possibly wife Mary 80 and a John aged 15 in Rosemarket Village 1841?
Census ref HO107/1449/ 21/5 / 5
Keyboard86
This one married a Mary Mathias 17th February 1784 Rosemarket
There is a burial of a Richd Rees 27th April 1843 St Mary, Haverfordwest abode Rosemarket aged 81
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Thank you for that excellent information. Yes, that is the Richard Rees on the 1841 census that you mention. Other sources suggest Richard married a Mary John, but I did not find any evidence for this. This seems more likely. I have baptism details of a Richard Rees for 28 February 1763 in St. Michael, Pembroke, father Thomas, but I am not sure if this is the same Richard.
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Hi again, trying to locate any baptisms post 1784 for Rees children Father Richard Mother Mary, unable to locate at present any, but found this marriage & census :-
Richard Rees Full age occ Blacksmith Father Richard Rees occ Shipwright
Martha Morgan Full age Father Michael Morgan occ Farmer
15th April 1843 Rosemarket
1851 census
Richard Rees 47 occ Pensioner E India Company
Martha 32
William 7
Elizabeth 3
Michael 11 months
Residing Village Rose-Market
Census ref HO107/2476/634/10
So are you aware of any other children from c 1784?
Keyboard86
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Hello. My research suggests besides Rebecca and Richard, there were 2 more brothers, James Rees b 1811, married Ann (maiden name unknown) on 1841 census Ref HO107 1449 21/5 5. On that census he is an agricultural labourer, later working as a sawyer in dockyard. However birthplace put as Llanstadwell so?
Also a William Rees b1801 on 1841 census H0107 1449 21/6 6 living in Rosemarket with brother Richard and a Mary Williams. William is put as a tailor, but after that census he's been hard to trace. Without baptism details of course, difficult to know for certain. I have looked for baptisms but without success. Contact with archives at Haverfordwest say that baptism records have not survived for the time Rebecca was born for Rosemarket around 1794. The National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth also say Bishops Transcripts prior to 1799 for the village have not survived.
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Hi again, just wondering if William Rees and Richard have their ages "rounded down" as was the case in 1841 in most instances, so wondering if William is on two 1841 returns?
Wm Rees 37 occ Taylor Not born in county
Ann 35
Rosina 2
Martha Ann 0
Census ref HO107/956/ 12/30 / 11
They have Rosena/Martha b Somerset and a Henry b 1849 Monmouthshire in later returns
Think William possibly b St David's
Also how do you know their were two more brothers and Rebecca, if you/I cannot locate a baptism, and why are the supposed children b c 1801 ish where was Richard from 1784?
Keyboard86
PS who is/when was Rebecca born?
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Rebecca (born and living in Rosemarket around 1794, wife of Isaac Harries, shoemaker, born Stainton 1791) is the daughter of Richard Rees/Mary Mathias. Interesting about the 1841 census for William Rees that you have provided. The brothers that you ask about, that info has been taken from Ancestry public family trees, so don't know how valid you think that is. I don't understand your last sentence about children born 1801 and Richard 1784.
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Hi again, so again just how do you know Rebecca was the child of Richard & Mary Mathias?
Keyboard86
Re Ancestry trees, use as a possible guide but on the majority of occasions ignore re really early baptisms and do your own research?
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Hi again, ok there was a marriage by Banns of an Isaac HARRIS occ Shoemaker Grooms Parish Steyton to Rebecca Rees Brides Parish Rosemarket 7th December 1817 Rosemarket
1841 census
Isaac HARRIS 45 occ Shoemaker
Rebecca 45
John 15
James 10
Isaac 8
Residing Rosemarket Village
Census ref HO107/1449/ 21/5/5
Located baptisms 1820 to 1833 Isaac/Rebecca including a Richard 1820
Keyboard86
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A reply to an original post: Richard Rees and Horse Park
I commissioned a researcher in 2018 to look in the Haverfordwest Record Office, for some more details of the tenements of my ancestors.
David Rees had the Castle Hotel in Haverfordwest until 1805, when Lewis Pugh took over. David Rees also had the lease of the previously mentioned Derby Farm, St. Issels Haroldston for many years (until his death in 1837). His brother John Rees occupied Westbury Hill and West fields, Rosemarket.
They did have a brother Thomas Rees (b.1772) and the brothers were born in Freystrop.
I can confirm that one Thomas Rees was the tenant at Horsepark and his son Richard Rees may have taken over the lease.
As I paid for the research, I am happy to share:
1786 No surname of Rees entered for any parish in the Roose Hundred.
1787 William Rees, as tenant at Llangwm (no name of the tenement given).
Thomas Rees, tenant as Horspark, Rosemarket
John Rees, Westhill, Rosemarket.
1788 John Rees, Westhill, Rosemarket.
1789 Missing records
1790 William Rees at Llangwm.
John Rees, Whitfield Mill, Rosemarket.
Thomas Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
1791 John Rees, Westhill, Rosemarket.
1803 David Rees, tenement at part of Crowhill, Haverfordwest.
William Rees, Llangwm.
George Rees, Hayston Mill Llanstadwell.
Thomas Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
1804 William Rees, Llangwm.
George Rees, Jordanston, Llanstadwell.
George Rees, Honeborough, Llandsatdwell.
Thomas Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westfield Hill, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
1805 Thomas Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
Thomas Rees, Westfield Hill, Rosemarket.
Thomas Rees, Barley Hill, Rosemarket.
David Rees, innkeeper, tenant of Derby, parish of St Issells and Haroldstone.
1806 George Rees, Jordanstone, Llanstadwell.
George Rees, Honeborough, Llanstadwell.
Thomas Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westfield Hill, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
David Rees, innkeeper, Derby, St Isells and Haroldstone.
1807 George Rees, Honeborough, Llanstadwell.
1808 David Rees, gentleman, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone.
1809 Richard Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
David Rees, gent, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone.
1810 Richard Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westfield Hill, Rosemarket.
1811 David Rees, gentleman, Derby St Issells and Haroldstone.
1812 Thomas Rees, Haroldston, Rosemarket
David Rees, gentleman, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone.
1813 Richard Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
David Rees, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone.
John Rees, Westbury, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
1814 Thomas Rees, Haroldstone, Rosemarket.
Richard Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westfield Hill, Rosemarket.
Lewis Pugh, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone.
1815 Lewis Pugh, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone .
1816 Thomas Rees, Haroldstone, Rosemarket.
Richard Rees, Horsepark, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westfield Hill, Rosemarket.
John Rees, Westbury Hill, Rosemarket.
1817 Lewis Pugh, Derby, St Issells and Haroldstone.
Keith
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If the original poster of the request is still interested on Horse Park as a location for Thomas Rees and his son Richard Rees; and I must admit there seems to be some discrepancies as to it's location; albeit it, there could be two properties named Horse Park in the district and two Haroldston's; made no clearer by my post giving Horse Park Rosemarket.
I have just looked through some 1841 Census disks.
HO 1449a listed the enumerator's sequence of visiting properties to gain his information. Page 9 recorded Horse Park in the Haroldston St. Issels Parish between St. Thomas Haverfordwest and Freystrop with John Lewis 40 and John Harris 40 as tenants. It was between Green Hill, Haroldstone Castle/Haroldston Bridge, near Bowling Hill and then towards Fern Hill and Derby Farm.
My ancestor David Rees lived at Green Hill and still had control of Derby farm leases until his death in 1837. A map does not show Horse Park but does show Green Hill and the old Haroldston Castle north of Derby Farm.
It also should be noted that other records will show Thomas and Richard Rees near Haroldston farm, that is one just north of Rosemarket going towards Freystrop.
Keith
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Hello K Rees. Thank you so much for this information. I look forward to studying it more soon. Thanks again for sending it to me.