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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: Ellanon on Tuesday 08 December 15 03:11 GMT (UK)
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My wife descends from Catherine Brown b. ca. 1806 Ayr, Scotland m. 10 April 1829 Ochiltree, Ayr, to Hugh Wight b. 6 Aug. 1801 Pluck, Old Cumnock, Ayr. Catherine and Hugh moved soon after their marriage to Ontario, Canada. Catherine is recorded in the 1851 (Blenheim Twp., Oxford Co. ON b. Scotland age 45) and 1861 (Brantford Twp., Brant Co., ON b. Scotland age 55) census. The census put her birth at abt. 1806. She died 1869 (Ontario) as per the family Bible of Hugh Wight and Catherine Brown. Hugh Wight died 1873 (Ontario), again per the Wight family Bible.
In searching for the ancestry of Catherine (and Hugh), I came across a family that matches well as parents of Catherine. A Catherine Brown was born in "Burnockstown" Ochiltree, Ayr, Sep. 1806 (christened 14 Sep. 1806) to John Brown and Mary Kerr. Hugh and Catherine's children based upon the Scottish Naming practice would fit this family (the only glitch would be the fact that both fathers were John, but the first daughter was Mary Wight (named after Catherine's mother), and the second was Margaret Wight (named after Hugh's mother). Another clue is Hugh and Catherine's son William named his one son, Quentin Wight. This would fit the family of John Brown and Mary Kerr as they had a son Quentin. Also, a picture exists among the Wight family of the Brown family of Ayr.
This would be fairly cut and dry, however, every tree on ancestry has Catherine Brown daughter of John Brown and Mary Kerr married to a Meickle. I researched this family, and found (Muirkirk as opposed to Ochiltree) it did not fit the data, but... I have no definitive piece of data that counters their assumptions. Any help would be appreciated.
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I am struggling to find them here in either 1851 or 1861:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
If you can find her death reg you will know who her parents were.
The Canada Board folks are very good at this.
Don
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The citing of parents in Death Vitals in Ontario, Canada did not take place until the 1900s (Marriages were hit and miss). The Ontario Vital Stats did not begin until 1869. As I mentioned, I am in possession of Hugh and Catherine's Family Bible. I will include the census records, and a couple of documents that show her maiden name was Brown.
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e095/e002364899.jpg 1851 Census
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4107375_00395.jpg 1861 Census
OVS Sched C Deaths Norfolk Co. Charlotteville 1919 #022830 No. 8
Surname: Wight
Christian Name: John
Sex: Male
Age: 90.3.16
Date of Death: Nov. 28th 1919
Place of Birth: Blenheim Township
Place of Death: Charlotteville
Place of Burial: Oakwood Cemetery
Occupation: Farmer
Status: Widower
Name of Father: Hugh Wight
Name of Mother: Catharine Brown
Cause of Death: Senility
etc.
OVS Sched. C Deaths Brant Co. Brantford Twp.
Surname: Wight
Christian Name: Margaret
Sex: Female
Age: Nov 80 yrs 3 mths 3 days
Date of Death: Nov. 22nd 1915
Place of Birth: Dumfries
Place of Death: Brantford Township 3rd Con
Place of Burial: Paris Ont
Occupation: Lady
Status: Single
Name of Father: Hugh Wight
Name of Mother: Catharine Brown
Cause of Death: Diarrhea
etc.
Marriage Record of John Wight and Elizabeth Griffin
Name:Elizabeth Griffin
Age:26
Birth Date:abt 1840
Birth Place:Windham, Ontario
Marriage Date:26 Dec 1866
Marriage Location: Paris
Marriage County or District:Brant
Father:Henry
Mother:Christiana
Spouse: John Wight
Spouse's Age:35
Spouse Birth Date:abt 1831
Spouse Birth Place:Dumfries Township
Spouse Residence:Brantford
Spouse Father:Hugh
Spouse Mother:Catherine Brown
Residence:Windham Township
The Hugh and Catharine Wight Bible is embossed HUGH & CATHNE WIGHT - the NE on CATH is smaller
The Bible has the death dates for Hugh and Catharine. I could not post any actual documents due to size issues. Sorry.
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This would be fairly cut and dry, however, every tree on ancestry has Catherine Brown daughter of John Brown and Mary Kerr married to a Meickle.
Same old on Ancestry......
Have you contacted any of the owners for clarification?
Guaranteed, all copied?
I would say the name Quentin is a good pointer.
Annie
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Thanks Annie! I agree. I did research a number of years ago on the other family, and concluded then that they did not match. But, we moved, and I cannot find the information.
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If you looked up any info. on SP....it will still be there.
This one is the one you need to look at...
1875 MEIKLE CATHARINE BROWN F 71 MUIRKIRK/AYR 607/00 0096
Annie
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I would agree with Rosinish, don't rely on Ancestry. Good chance the info has been farmed from other trees and possibly not reliable. Contact the tree owners and they will tell you they are positive they are right. Yet many a time I've proved them wrong, because I had the documents in my hand to confirm the mistakes they had. A question of 'hunters and gatherers', don't rely on gatherers...
davie
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Indeed, Davie and Annie.
Ellanon, what is the source for Catherine Brown being from Ayrshire? Is this also from a/try trees?
As Don mentioned earlier, would be good to see what Canadian RC experts on sources can add too :)
You could add a post here www.rootschat.com/forum/canada/ and add the link from this post to keep responses altogether www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736702.0
Monica
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Thanks for census links. I have at least a 8 deaths from Brant and Norfolk that show the parents, the earliest 1851 from Mt. Pleasant. All are from the church records and many are still held locally. Can you tell me where Catherine/Hugh are buried?
Don
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I remember my research now, Catherine Brown, who married the Meikle was daughter of a James Brown and Agnes.
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So, I live in Canada, and do a great deal of research in the records. It is Scotland where the research becomes muddy. The Wight family was definitely from the Ochiltree and Old Cumnock area of Ayrshire. Hugh Wight was born in Pluck, Old Cumnock area, and both Hugh and Catherine were by 1829 of the parish of Ochiltree as regular attenders. The names fit, the ages fit, the place fits.
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Catherine Meikle confirmed as being of different parentage..........
Unbelievable that so many trees on Ancestry have that wrong yet the "proof" is there on the death cert. ???
Process of elimination spells out a lot & doesn't leave much else for you to query in my book.
Just a pity Catherine's parents names are neither on her marriage nor death but seems to be the right candidate from all quarters especially the naming pattern.
Annie
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Thanks Annie et al. I think I will close the topic out. You guys were a big help!
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT2F-4PY
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gmo/
Strange there doesn't seem to be a daughter named Agnes
Annie
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Annie, this could be her (the Meikle Catherine Brown) instead - https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ACatherine~%20%2Bsurname%3ABrown~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aayr~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1805-1807~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ABrown~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AAgnes~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Abrown~%20%2Brecord_country%3AScotland
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I can help with this. Your ancestor Catherine Brown, born 1806 in Ochiltree, Ayrshire, was an elder sister of my ancestor Robert, born in 1817. Their parents were John Brown and Mary Kerr, married in 1804, and John's parents were William Brown and Katherine Campbell, married in 1776. I think William's father came from New Cumnock but I am still researching this.
I have searched Scotland's People and found that Catherine married Hugh Wight on 10th April, 1829 in Ochiltree.