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Title: Wanless Family
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 09 December 15 05:06 GMT (UK)
I have a problem with the Wanless family arrival in Australia.
I have father John,49, mother Sarah, 41, children Mary, 18, Sarah, 12, Emily, 10, John, 9, Thomas 8 and Florence 5.

They arrived on the Northampton on either 12 Jan 1879 or 7 Nov 1881 as according to New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896, and
Persons on bounty ships to Sydney, Newcastle, and Moreton Bay (Board's Immigrant Lists); Series: 5317; Reel: 2492

In 1879, the whole family is listed together, but Mary and Sarah are included subsequently into the family group.

In 1881 Mary and Sarah are listed separately, at the end of the passenger list.

Name: John Wanless
Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 47
Arrival Date: 12 Jan 1879
Vessel Name: Northampton

Name: Sarah Wanless
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age:12
Gender: Female
Arrival Date: 7 Nov 1881
Vessel Name: Northampton

I have not located any British incoming passenger lists with the family on them, and as a result, am wondering which is correct.

Is there anyone out there who could point me in the right direction as to which one is correct?

A Chesters
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 09 December 15 05:17 GMT (UK)
This looks like a birth to the couple.

6800/1881  WANLESS Edward S
Parents  John & Sarah
At PADDINGTON

It was registered in the first fortnight of February 1881

Sue
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 09 December 15 05:28 GMT (UK)
Sue, Thank you very much for that.

I simply could not find much information about them, after probably trying too hard ::) ::)
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 09 December 15 05:32 GMT (UK)
Was John connected with steam boats before immigration?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13447178

In this 1879 article, a man of the name is a witness in an inquiry into a steamboat accident.
A waterman is his occupation.
Sue
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 09 December 15 05:59 GMT (UK)
A look at the original record and yes, John was a waterman.

I also note on the record showing vessel  Northampton headed as arriving 1881, I do note a  death on the page which is recorded as occurring on 9th November 1878 :P ???

Sue
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: majm on Wednesday 09 December 15 09:09 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

January 1879 arrival has been transcribed as Warless  ::)
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1879/01/027nor.htm   scroll down and find the links to the images  :) 
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1879/01/media/027nor4.jpg   I am sure it reads WANLESS  :)
John and Sarah as Adults and then the next 4 are together as X 4  :) Emily, John, Thomas and Florence.

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: majm on Wednesday 09 December 15 09:14 GMT (UK)
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 09 December 15 23:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you both for that information.

Sue, in both the 1861 and the 1871 census, John is listed as a waterman. It was the lack of the 1881 census that I started looking further. I will follow the information on Trove further, where posible, and also the Sands information.

JM Thank you very much for those links. I am very grateful to all the Rootschatters for their help and interest in other peoples queries

AC
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 10 December 15 02:44 GMT (UK)
Hi
As you had not known about the birth of Edward WANLESS to John and Sarah in 1881, I wondered whether you might like to see his marriage and a child.

11677/1909 WANLESS Edward S   
STAPLETON Sarah C
At MARRICKVILLE

35209/1910 WANLESS Robert E
Parents Edward S & Sarah C
At ANNANDALE

Edward died.
31346/1959 WANLESS Edward Swinburn
Parents  John & Sarah
at GOSFORD

John WANLESS death-

9110/1890 WANLESS   John
Parents Edward & Sarah
At NEWTOWN

It is interesting to note he drowned in a boating accident in 1890
The initial for his name as I see it, appears  to be H. (I cannot see the entire text of the article today), but it would be an newspaper error. Should be J.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/113750531

EDITED Incorrect information

A funeral notice was placed for 1st Feb 1890
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28277236

In Memoriam.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/113755577

Sue

 

 
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: rosball on Thursday 10 December 15 03:03 GMT (UK)
Sue, the boating accident occurred in October 1890 (many months after his funeral).  And the H Wanless on the boat did not drown - it was another man.

Ros  :)
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 10 December 15 03:52 GMT (UK)
Sue, the boating accident occurred in October 1890 (many months after his funeral).  And the H Wanless on the boat did not drown - it was another man.

Ros  :)

Ros,
You're quite right!
A careless leap to wrong conclusion on my part.
I think  I will strike through to save confusion.

Sue
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: Billyblue on Thursday 10 December 15 10:15 GMT (UK)
The Wanless family are well known in Queensland for their Scrap Metal business (since the 1960s that I know of) and then they expanded into Waste Management.

Google the name.
Don't know if any of the family are still in management.
My OH used to know one of the family (Scrap Metal) - I'll ask him when he returns from his current country soujourn.   :P  :P  :)  :)

Dawn M
Title: Re: Wanless Family
Post by: a chesters on Thursday 10 December 15 22:35 GMT (UK)
Once again, many thanks for your help.

Sue, I had not got to following the family in NSW, as I was still trying to sort out their movements after the 1871 census. I will of course be doing so now that I know they migrated, with your information.

Dawn M, thank you for that information. As I said above, I have not yet looked at Australia for them, but will do so now. It would be very  interesting to see if there is any connection between my Wanless, and the QLD ones, as the Wanless are a side shoot from my direct line, but all are interesting.

Just had a quick Google, and it looks like they are quite an enterprising lot.

Again, many thanks for all your help.

AC