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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: msadmn on Sunday 20 December 15 15:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi, i have my great grandmothers birth certificate here, i managed to decipher it to the following address:
5 Park Row Penrhiwtyn, Neath
This looks to be in the Llantwit Lower parish.
I cannot find Park row on any Census - i can find Park Terrace. Looking at old maps i can see Park Terrace, which is near Rodney Road ( now called Morgans Road ) but im not sure exactly which houses they are.
My great Grandmother was born in 1890, but i found her in Albert Road in 1891 census. I am not sure if Albert road was really Park Row, but the OS maps of Glamorgan in 1897-1910 show albert road to be in a slightly different place.
I did find a mention of Park Row in the Findmypast newspaper articles for a family named Eaton in 1886, so i know it did exist.
Does anyone know where i can find the street name changes for this area anywhere online?
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http://maps.nls.uk/view/102342451
zoom in on "NEATH in bold - "Park Row" to west of "N next "Corporation Field".
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Thats not in im afraid, bit of a red herring...
Corporation field was renamed victoria gardens, and those houses were demolished - they are also not in Penrhiwtyn or lantwit lower, its in neath ' proper ' Penrhiwtyn is in the bottom left hand corner of the map, near Melyncrythan.
Thanks for your help though!
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Quite appreciate that - had searched the various sectors available on "maps.nls" for "penrhiwtyn" - and recognised it didn't quite fit with the present location. For example "Pen-rhiw-tyn lodge" is in the bottom corner.
Therefore, posting the only "Park Row" on view.
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yeah i crossed referenced penrhitwyn with the current google maps and its definitely down that area.
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I can see Park Row, Neath on the 1891 census
I dont know the area at all, so not sure if this is the Park Row you are looking for? The page before the houses in Park Row says St Davids St, then 1 Park Row where William and Catherine Arnold reside with their family (RG12/ 4461), then quite a few residents in Park Row, the next place is Eastland Road and then Rugby Street.
The residents of 5 Park Row in 1891 are William Chapman and his family.
Mar
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Hi msadm
Would you be a little more specific as to the name of your ggm and the actual address and census ref where you found her in 1891?
Thanks
Ray
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Thanks all, sadly i dont think that is the right park row, its the same one as mentioned above ( chapman and family )
Heres the deal
My GGM ( Born Elizabeth Maud Alford ) was born in 1890 , in the 1891 census she is in Llandtwit lower, at 5 Albert st Penrhitwyn.. She is listed as a daughter of a Joseph Richards, and is listed as Elizabeth Maud Richards along with her older sister, Elizabeth Ann . Heres the clincher; after not finding a Elizabeth Maud Richards on BDM I ordered her birth certificate, there is No father listed! So i wanted to see who was listed at the address on her Birth Certificate in 1891 and 1881 which is 5 Park Row, Penrhitwyn. There is, however a Park Terrace listed in 1891 which is uninhabited! Im yet to find Park Terrace on the 1891 census, but the enumeration districts seem to change a lot, so ill keep hunting i guess. I thought it might give me a clue one way or the other who the father might have been.
Hope this helps
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Hi :)
the 1891 census lists Matilda Richards living in the same house as her parents William and Eliza Alford, William Alfords son in law Joseph Richards (both Matilda and Joseph are listed as married) , Eliza and Mary Alford (daughters of William and Eliza Alford) and granddaughters Eliza and Maud Richards. Maud is less than 8 months and Eliza is 2 years old.
In 1892 Matilda Alford marries Joseph Richards in Neath.
In 1901, Joseph, his wife Matilda and Eliza and Maud are all living together in Ethel Street Neath with a few more children, the father in law (who seems to have changed his name to Henry Alford, although a later census has a W in front of Henry so same man) and Mary Alford.
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Yep, same info as i have already got. Thank you though.
Thing is.. Matilda and William Henry ( which is written on census just very faint ) werent married in the census of 1891, got married in 1892. And no father on Elizabeth Mauds BC. Of course they listed themselves as married, but they actually werent and hes not on the birth certificate either. So the reason for this post was to try and find who was at the address listed on E.M's Birth Certificate in 1891 ( which is different to where E.M was, but same area ) which might lead me to clues as to her father. That area is a mess quite honestly, loads of name changes of roads, but im pretty sure park-row was park terrace which makes number 5 uninhabited :(
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Hi :)
given that you have the adress on your g grandmothers birth cert (5 Park Row, Penrhiwtyn), it might be worth seeing if electoral roll/register exist for this address in 1890. The family living there on the 1891 census may not have been there the year before.
I dont know where you can access the registers, perhaps the Swansea Archives could help, or some other rootschatter may know if they exist online?
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"Park Row" may have been the local, or even family, name for "Park Terrace"
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My thinking was that park row was indeed park terrace. Park terrace was uninhabited in 1891 - not sure how to look up the electoral register for 1890 though, i didnt think they existed then.
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Swansea Archives catalogue - reference to Park Row Cottages
http://www3.swansea.gov.uk/CalmView/OverView.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
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Hello,
This is my family too. If I can help I will. Let me know how to contact you.
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I was interested I this as
I have a 1907 newspaper report that great grandma's baby was taken to be cared for by a Mrs Bell of 7 Albert ROW
Penrhhiewtyn
If this was an alternative name for Park Row the families would have been neighbours...I.d like to find the name of the little girl and if she took on the surname Bell or kept mothers n surname Roberts
Also just to know what kind of houses they were .