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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: familydar on Sunday 27 December 15 14:03 GMT (UK)
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My father and a known first cousin have done Y-DNA tests with ftDNA and are indeed descendents of the same man, but none of the other matches have the same surname, and it's a really random mix with no one surname standing out. So somewhere along the line, the genealogy doesn't match the genetics, ie a supposed father actually wasn't. The line I've traced back 300 years may belong to someone else!
With YSearch (a repository for Y-DNA results uploaded by people who have tested with various different companies) it is possible to see the results of other Darlings who have tested, but someone who I thought was a strong possibility for a match because they were in the same part of the UK at the same time, isn't. Many people haven't given an earliest known ancestor so I have no idea if any of the other male descendants of my genealogical earliest known Darling ancestor have tested.
If you are male and have the surname Darling, and have done a Y-37 (or higher) test, whether you got any Darling matches or you didn't, I'd really appreciate it if you could reply here or PM me. It might help me fathom out where the divergence occurred.
My earliest known genealogical ancestor (in bold) and known male Darling descendants who MIGHT have fathered children (some definitely did but there could be extras I'm unaware of) are listed below in alphabetical order, all born England unless otherwise stated.
Alfred Edwin b 1886 Australia
Ambrose b c1730 East Hendred BRK
Ambrose b c1796 East Hendred BRK
Ambrose Godfrey b 1861 East Ilsley BRK emigrated to Australia
Charles Liddiard b 1847 Speen BRK
Ebenezer b 1847 Chadwell ESS
Edwin b c1829 East Ilsley BRK
Edwin b 1858 East Ilsley emigrated to Australia
Edwin Percival aka Percy b c1897 AUS
Francis Henry aka Frank b 1885 Cheltenham
George b 1840 London
George Edwin McDonald b 1875 Bedminster
George Henry b 1815 London
George Thomas b c1832 East Ilsley
George William b 1871 Langley BKM
Godfrey William b 1891 AUS
John b bef 1655 d Littleworth BRK 1708
John b 1671 Wantage
John b c1758 East Ilsley
Joseph b 1723 Wantage
Joseph William b 1889 AUS d Gallipoli 1915
Nathaniel b 1859 Clifton
Reginald James b 1887 AUS
Reuben Godfrey b c1894 AUS d Ypres 1917
Robert b c1769 East Ilsley
Robert b c1817 Speenhamland
Robert Smyth b 1891 AUS
Thomas b c1762 East Ilsley
Thomas b c1784 East Hendred
Thomas b 1794 East Ilsley
Thomas b 1822 East Ilsley
Thomas aka Alfred Thomas b 1861 East Ilsley emigrated to AUS
Thomas Hatt b 1846 Speen
Thomas McDonald b 1843 Westminster
William b c1754 East Ilsley
William b c1788 East Ilsley
William Henry b c1827 East Ilsley
William Henry aka Henry b 1857 East Ilsley
Finally, for info, there is a DARLING surname project at ftDNA but you can't see any members/posts/correspondence without joining and when I try, I get no response. FTDNA are looking into this, hopefully in time they will find a new group administrator.
best wishes
Jane :-)
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Hello Jane. Are you still looking for all those Darlings. I cant help you with a y line but am descended from Alfred Thomas and have an ancestry dna test. L
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Welcome to RootsChat.
If you post twice more you can PM Jane just in case she doesn't get notification that you've posted on her old thread.
Answer this and then do another post and you'll be a full member. ;D
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Thankyou. PM? L
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A PM is a private message which you can use to contact someone in situations where you think they may have missed seeing a reply on a board or have some information for them which cannot be posted publicly.
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Thankyou so much for your help. L
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Hello L
Yes I am still interested in my distant DARLING relatives and ancestors.
Since my original post I have tested with Ancestry (autosomal not Y, (a) because I'm the wrong gender and (b) because that's the only test Ancestry do) but I've no idea whether you and I are a DNA match as I don't know your Ancestry user name. I've replied to your PM. My autosomal results are also on GEDMatch, FTDNA and My Heritage. Cast the net wide ;D
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Greetings:
I wish you luck in your search for Darling DNA connections. Can't help you there, I am afraid, but perhaps you can be of help to me. I hope so. I noted that the first in the list of surnames that interest you is ALLEN and that your ancestral family is rooted in East Ilsley.
My great-great-grandfather was John Allen, publican and sometime schoolmaster and village clerk of East Ilsley. He was grandfather of my grandmother Eveline Banche Carter, also born in the village. I know a fair piece about this family and I am wondering, in view of your citation of the Allen surname in the village, whether we might share some links.
I'd love to hear from you.
Warm regards, and thanks in advance for any courtesies,
Bernard Hunt
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
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Hi Bernard
My 5xGGM was Elizabeth or Eliza Allen, she married John DARLING at East Ilsley in 1787. I have copious notes about checks I've made and logic applied but I've not been able to establish for certain whether her parents were William and Jane nee BROWN or Thomas & Sarah nee BOLTON (this is assuming she was a local lass).
You don't give dates but your GGGF John Allen was presumably not born until the 19th century. I think I've found Evelyn (Eveline) on freeBMD, birth registered at Wantage 1870 Q3, the GRO gives a third christian name "Kingston" and mmn ALLEN which fits with what you've said. Have you worked your GGGF's line back any further, to know who his parents and grandparents were?
best wishes
Jane :-)
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Good evening. Something to consider regarding surnames. There may be many reasons a person does not use their biological surname. Marriage, adoption, name change or perhaps an alias. Late in life I learned that the name I was born with was not the birth surname of my father. He lived under an alias for his adult life. Surnames are can be a guide, but unlike DNA, they can be changed. Follow the shared matches...
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https://www.thoughtco.com/matching-dna-with-different-surnames-1421840
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Aye, that's my grannie, all right. I have not done much else work on a number of the lines she stemmed from. But I do know her grandmother, Ruth Kingston (hence my gran's Kingston middle name) was a schoolteacher. She married John Allen when they both were students at a normal school (as teacher training places were called in them there days) in Middletown Cheney, Northants, her home town, I think, but have no actual evidence, that she is connected to the wider Kingston family that has grown and grown larger and larger still in the United States through Mormon connections.
Regards, fellow seeker of genealogical truth.
Bernard Hunt of that ilk