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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: Purple Badger on Sunday 03 January 16 18:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
Happy New Year. The festive break has allowed me a little time to work on a friend's tree and I have hit a stumbling block. No change there!!!
I am trying to trace the marriage of Henry Glew (b1848 Rogate) to Caroline. The first child of theirs I can trace was William Glew born 1876 so marriage likely to be shortly before then.
I can trace the family on the census in the Portsmouth area 1881 onwards. Below is an extract of 1901s census to give you some additional details.
RG13/997/75 p 17 Portsea
Henry Glew 52
Caroline Glew wife 47 b Bristol
William Glew 22
James Glew 15
Charles Glew 13
Florence Glew 11
Arthur Glew 8
Elsie G Glew 2
Caroline's maiden name may be King. Her son Arthur ended up in Canada and her maiden name is listed as King on his Canadian death record.
Can anyone help me find this marriage?
Many Thanks,
S :)
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Caroline is 52 in 1911
Have you bought one of the childrens birth certs to confirm her maiden name?
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Have a look at this 1861 entry for Chalton Hampshire
Henry King Shott 63 b Chalton
Caroline Shott 24 dtr ditto
Mary Ann Shott 3 g/dtr ditto
Henry Glew 22 b Harting Sussex - lodger
John Voller 24 b Chalton - lodger
RG9 Piece 699 Folio 6 Page 8
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I'll try and find the marriage in the Portsmouth Records Office sometime this week.
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The 1891 census for the couple RG12/866 f106 p15 has Henry's mother in law as Harriet Gas... (transcribed as Gassen) age 76 born Selbourne, Hampshire :-\
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The 1891 census for the couple RG12/866 f106 p15 has Henry's mother in law as Harriet Gas... (transcribed as Gassen) age 76 born Selbourne, Hampshire :-\
And Caroline is 33 in 1891, so a bit of variation in year of birth !
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I think Harriet, the mother in law, maybe Henry's mother ??? Looking at 1861 Census Rake, Rogate, Midhurst, Sussex there is a Harriet Glew, born 1812, Selbourne living with Henry Glew born 1849, Rogate, Sussex.
RG09/628/80/2
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Harriet Glue is on 1871 Census 10 Jacob Street, Portsea as a housekeeper to a Samuel Gosden. Findmypast has transcribed 1891 Census Henry Glew's mother in law as Harriet Gosden.
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Harriet also on 1851 census married to Thomas Glue (sic) quite a lot older than her. There are Draper children in the household described as sons and daughters in law, but would actually be step children to Thomas. Harriet Draper married Thomas Glue in 1844, so Henry would be her child not step child.
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Throwing rubbish into the air . . . . .
Harriett Gosden (transcription) is noted as M-in-law
Marriages 1885 Dec Rye 2b 15
Gasson Caroline
Gassow Caroline
Grisbrook Annie Jane
Ripley Rebecca (Eastbourne 2b 15)
SWAINE William Wood
TICEHURST Bernard
Assuming Gasson / Gassow is the same lady = 3x brides + 2x grooms
Is Henry Glew the missing groom?
R
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Is Henry Glew the missing groom?
Sadly no - GRO index checked but no cross match
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Hi CaroleW
"Precisely".
Mis-transcription (or non-transcription) of 1, or more, of the reg elements?
It's not as if the problem is unknown/hasn't occurred before.
Ray
(Happy New Year)
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Hi Ray
I really hoped there would be a match but am running out of ideas. I wondered if the Henry King Shott I found was actually Kingshott but I can't find anything earlier to confirm or otherwise so am giving up
Happy New Year to you to
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William W Swaine looks to have married the Annie J, Bernard Ticehurst looks to have married the Caroline b Rye in 1891 census.
Keyboard86
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Thanks for checking Ticehurst, I was going to do that this morning.
. . . . . and for completeness, eliminating
Marriages Dec 1885 Eastbourne 2b 150
Bird Thomas
Davis William
Ripley Rebecca (indexed twice)
Rowmand Kate
Ray
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If this helps.
George Henry Glew 20 bachelor, labourer, of Friary, Portsmouth. Father Herman(?) Glew gunner RMA married Eliza Crips 18 spinster of Kings Terrace Portsmouth. Father John Crips seaman RN in St. Mary's Church Portsmouth on 7th June 1869. Sorry can't read the witnesses names Jane Nathan possibly.
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If this helps.
George Henry Glew 20 bachelor, labourer, of Friary, Portsmouth. Father Herman(?) Glew gunner RMA married Eliza Crips 18 spinster of Kings Terrace Portsmouth. Father John Crips seaman RN in St. Mary's Church Portsmouth on 7th June 1869. Sorry can't read the witnesses names Jane Nathan possibly.
It looks like this couple living in Gloucester street Portsmouth in 1871. On enumerator's form as Glue. In the household two people with surname Corps, listed as brother and sister in law. This George Glue/ Glue was born in Portsmouth so not likely to be closely related.
Piece number 1142 Folio 60 Page number 15
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Sorry but the OP was attempting to trace a Glew marriage in the relevant timescale and assumed a Portsmouth marriage. I've merely searched all the marriages in the Portsmouth Diocese, Parish Church and Methodist churches and this is the only 'Glew' marriage.
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Hi Ray
I really hoped there would be a match but am running out of ideas. I wondered if the Henry King Shott I found was actually Kingshott but I can't find anything earlier to confirm or otherwise so am giving up
Happy New Year
Happy New Year :)
Henry is Kinchot in 1851 with wife Ann no daughter Caroline, she is probably working away from home somewhere.
I think OP may have to put us out of our misery and get one of the childrens birth certificates as you suggested ;D
Rosie
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Have a look at this 1861 entry for Chalton Hampshire
Henry King Shott 63 b Chalton
Caroline Shott 24 dtr ditto
Mary Ann Shott 3 g/dtr ditto
Henry Glew 22 b Harting Sussex - lodger
John Voller 24 b Chalton - lodger
RG9 Piece 699 Folio 6 Page 8
This Henry Glew was born in Harting so not the Rogate one we're looking for.
I think this is him in 1851 in Harting, son of John widower
Piece 1654, Folio 474, Page 28
In 1841 still in Harting, looks like his mother is Mary
Piece 1101, Book 4, Folio 17, Page 1
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I am gradually coming to the conclusion that for some reason or other Henry and Caroline never married. Henry died in 1902, so I think Caroline (as a widow) would not need to answer the question about years married and numbers of children on the 1911 census. But she did. The number of children born and those died match with what I have found (and surmised) from Portsea / Portsmouth reg district bmds. So I think what she has stated is accurate there. But what does she state for number of years married? !!
From 1881, 1891 and 1901 census records we have 10 known children.
Alfred Henry J Q4 1876 2b 492
William Thomas Q2 1879 2b 518
Elizabeth Harriet Q4 1880 2b 488 died age 0 Q3 1881 2b 267
Frederick Q2 1882 2b 524
James Q3 1885 2b 440
Charles Q2 1887 2b 479 died age 20 Q3 1909 2b 245
Florence Q2 1889 2b 527
Ernest Norman Q4 1890 2b 443 died age 0 Q2 1891 2b 363
Arthur Q2 1892 2b 488
Elsie Gertrude Q3 1898 2b 517
Three had died before 1911.
By eliminating other births in Portsea either by belonging to other Glew families or too close to a known child of Henry and Caroline, I come up with only three more who were born and died between censuses. These seem the strongest possibilities for the "missing" children
Edith Ellen Q1 1878 2b 529 died age 0 Q4 1878 2b 316
Thomas Q2 1884 2b 555 died age 2 Q2 1886 2b 297
Nellie Caroline Q1 1895 2b 514 died age 1 Q3 1896 2b 317
So what do we know about Caroline? Censuses and age at death put her year of birth between 1854 and 1858. She was most likely born in Bristol although 1881 has Littleton Sussex (abbreviation for Littlehampton perhaps?). She would have had her first child at the age of 18 - 22 depending on her actual age. Likely to be under 21 when she got together with Henry, possibly parental consent was refused for them to marry and they never got round to it after she turned 21.
Why would a girl of her age have come from Bristol to Portsmouth? I would have thought Bristol would have had plenty of opportunities for a girl to work, or if not she might move to London. Bristol and Portsmouth are both seaports, perhaps her father was a sailor?
Possibility her maiden name is King - information from her son Arthur's death record in Canada. If the informant had Arthur's birth certificate this should be accurate, but if the informant was just vaguely remembering something he / she was told a long time before - who knows?
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I've just found Arthur's death cert on family search. He died in a hospital and the informant was a hospital official. He states information taken from " D O file". I don't know what file it refers to, but possibly some official record that Arthur would have originally supplied the information for. Arthur left for Canada, via Portland, Maine USA in 1908 when he was just 16. He is listed as a farm hand, travelling 3rd class with a lot of other teenage boys also farm hands.
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Not the marriage something a bit different:
Portsmouth Evening News 23rd September 1897
Abusive Language: Caroline Glew of 15 Central Street, Landport summoned Emily Isaacs of 49 St Johns Road for using abusive words towards her on the 13th inst. Complainant alleged that the defendant banged at her door and when it was opened used bad language. Rebutting evidence was given and the Magistrate dismissed the case. :
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Can anoyne find Henry Glew on 1871 Census?
Maybe he is in the military, have found one that may be a possible:
1202 Private Henry Glue
28th (North Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
HQ location Gibraltar
Year 1871
He later gets discharged in 22nd September1876.
Maybe thats the reason we are struggling to find a marriage, it could have taken place abroad :-\
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Not found him in 1871, tried all sorts of searches.
The army does sound a very strong possibility. If it was him and he was discharged in Sept 1876, that's just before his first child is born (reg Q4 1876).
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WOW... just WOW! I normally get an email if anyone has commented on the thread. I didn't get one and have been busy over Christmas so checked on the off chance..... and am blown away with the work people have put in! Thank you all so much :) :) ;D
It will take me a while to go through everything but there is a few things I can help with.
My elderly friend (who I am doing this for) believes there might have been a military link with her Grandfather Henry Glew.
Arthur Glew went into a Banardo's Home for boys when his Father died. Caroline supposedly had health problems. It was Barnardo's that shipped him out to Canada.
Harriett Godson appears to be Henry Glew's Mother not Caroline's Mother as the 1891 census appears to imply.