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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: SiCallear on Sunday 03 January 16 22:37 GMT (UK)
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I am a descendant of the "Fynney Johnson" family. I have traced the family back to a marriage between Ruth Fynney (d.1812) and Ralph Johnson (d.1811) from Alstonfield.
I am trying to learn more about the Fynney connection. Long shot but does anyone recognise any of the below? Can anyone expand?
I believe:
Father: possibly William Fynney
Mother: ?
Brother: John Fynney (d.1828) of Compton House in Leek
(No know marriage/children)
Sister: Sarah Fynney m. ? Hulme
(Children: Judith, Fynney, John)
Sister: Ruth Fynney m. Ralph Johnson. <----- my connection
(Children: William Fynney, Ralph, Esther)
Sister: ? Fynney m. ? Bowers
(Children: Fynney, Judith, John) - same as above!!
I know John had a niece Catherine whose married name is Koziah.
Ring any bells?
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I "believe" Ruth's father was a William.
I am also trying to determine the relationship between John Fynney and a Fielding Best Fynney. The surname maybe purely a coincidence. I have records of business transactions and it is worth noting the John moved into Fielding's "Compton House" property after he died.
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Hi
Found these records from Alstonfield
William FINNEY married Elizabeth DALE 29 October 1751
Ruth bapt. 25 Jan 1759 daughter of William and Elizabeth FINNEY
John bapt. 31 Jul 1753 son of Wm and Eliz.
Sarah " 2 Jun 1760 dau of Wm and Eliz.
claire
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MARRIAGES at Alstonfield
2 May 1781 William HULME married Sarah FINNY, in the presence of Ralph Salt and John Hulme
13 Sep 1784 Joseph BOWERS married Elizabeth FINNY, in the presence of Hannah Gould and Ralph Johnson
claire
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Looks like FBF was baptised 12 February 1743 Cheddleton Staffs. Son of Samuel Fynney and Sarah
There are numerous children born in the area to a Samuel and Sarah Fynney including a William in 1731 at Dilhorne, the rest at Cheddleton 6 miles away.
Samuel Fynney married Sarah Best 16 September 1730 Leek, Stafford.
Possibly John Fynney was Fieldings nephew if you could prove the William born in 1731 is John's father and Fieldings brother.
claire
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Hi
I have looked at the Will of John Fynney dated 1830, ( it is only my opinion ) but I think it reads
" my nieces Catherine KEZIAH and Judith Bowers.
KEZIAH was baptized 4 April 1790 Alstonfield, daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth BOWERS.
claire
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Wow - many thanks for all of that.
You raise a key point over Keziah (especially as this unusual "surname" returned no matches. I have a copy of the will so I will double check. There is a similar part that talks of John Charles (these being his nephewS not nephew).
Thanks again - big help
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Hi
The part that mentions John Charles, again I think it should read
" I give and bequeath to John, CHARLES and Glaphira, sons and daughter of Richard Tomlinson of Leek"
These baptisms seem to fit the family, they were all baptised 26 November 1822 in Leek,children of Richard Tomlinson and Catherine.
John FYNNEY Tomlinson born 17 October 1813
Glaphira Tomlinson born 9 April 1818
Elizabeth FYNNEY Tomlinson born 13 March 1810
CHARLES Daintry Tomlinson born 7 October 1815
Not too sure who Catherine is though, can't find a marriage to a Richard Tomlinson.
claire
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Yes - agree about the John Charles thing.
Not sure how the Tomlinson's fit in with the Fynney's but the inclusion of Fynney in the names suggest there is one.
Elizabeth is refered to as "who now lives with me" by John Fynney.
I had wondered whether Catherine was a sister of John Fynney but none of the Tomlinson's are refered to as nieces, nephews, etc - a proper puzzle!
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The plot thickens
There is a marriage licence dated 1809 Leek Staffs. between Richard Tomlinson and Catherine DAINTRY showing up on FindMyPast
claire
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......or gets plain complicated! Just what is their Fynney connection????
I noticed one of the kids had Daintry in their name - this is a surname I recognise from several sale of land documents also there is a Daintry Street in Leek.
Ps, I wondered where you we're finding this info. I had a FindMyPast subscription last year but it's now expired. Seems I may need to consider renewing it!
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Hi
I have a sub on Anc*, there are quite a few Daintry Wills on there, just looking through them ~ seem quite a well connected family. Can't fit this Catherine in with them yet. :-\
claire
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Hi SiCallear
Following on from your other post about Fielding Best Fynney...........
Ruth Fynney is not too difficult to track down.
I presume you have their marriage entry from the Alstonefield register - it's on FindMyPast, loving transcribed as surname 'Fanny'! ;D I have submitted a correction. The clerk writes 'Finney', and she signs 'Ruth Fynney". (But bless them for their wide ranging phonics check).
The witnesses are William Fynney and JOhn Green. Ralph Johnsone is from Earl Shilton, Leicestershire.
It clearly states the marriage was by licence.
If you then go to the Lichfield Marriage Bonds and Allegations page
http://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/staffordshire-dioceses-of-lichfield-and-coventry-marriage-allegations-and-bonds-1636-1893
you are rewarded with the application Ralph Johnsone made - full of information.
He is 21 or over, she is 19 of ALstonefield. Both have been living in ALF. And her father signs to give his permission - indeed William Fynney.
You can them go to familysearch and find Ruth's baptism, and those of 3 siblings including a John, at Alstonefield, father William, mother Elizabeth. Their marriage is also on there - but I'll let you have the fun of that discovery!
(most probably on FindMyPast too but I haven't checked there - cheaper and more easily searched on famsearch).
Hope this helps you a little way down the road.
Still can't tie him in with the other Finneys I know of - mine didn't come to Alstonefield until much later - but as I said on my other post, most probably related somewhere way back!
BY the way, I see BumbleBee couldn't find Fielding Best Fynney's will at Lichfield either - I don't think there must have been one. As I said, he was such a prominent man, and there is so much written about him, that somebody would have found it by now if it did exist.
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Just realised I had only read Page 2 of this post - some of this has been found before,
Ah well, never hurts to have somebody else confirm. ;)
If you don't have access to FindMyPast, lots of libraries have.
8)
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"My" John Fynney has links to part ownership of a mine near Wetton until his death in 1828.
His parents AND Ralph Johnson and wife Ruth are buried together at the Alstonfield church.
I do not know where John is buried. Have found later family at St Edwards church and later Leek Cemetry.
The origin of Ralph Johnson is very much a mystery given the Leicestershire connection.
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I've been through Daintry Wills and can't find any reference to Catharine in them, I feel there may be a connection to them though. Most of the Daintry family were born in Leek but were living in Cheshire at the time of their decease, which is where Catharine and daughter Glaphira can be found in 1851 census.
St Edwards Cemetery has this
Here / lieth the body of John OAKES /
late of Leek Gentn. / who departed this life the 4th /
day of June A.D. 1712 / aged 45. /
Saml. Daintry TOMLINSON / son of Richd. and Catharine /
TOMLINSON of Leek died Octr. 10 / 1812 aged 3 months. /
also Ellen TOMLINSON his /
sister died Octr. 24. 1814 / aged 3 years and 4 months. /
the above Richard TOMLINSON /
died on the 30th. March 1834 aged 55. /
also the above / Catharine TOMLINSON, / (formerly DAINTRY) who /
died on the 23rd. October, / 1856. aged 80.
If you do a burial search for John Fynney (1752-1828) on FindMyPast his burial comes up ~ St Edwards, Leek.
Buried : 22 Nov 1828
Abode: Compton
Age: 76
claire
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According to Sleigh, Fielding Best Fynney had an elder brother William, he had three daughters Margaret, Sarah and Elizabeth, all died unmarried.
I have a note sent to me some years back which refers to this William being born on 22nd August 1731 and christened at All Saints Dilhorne on 4th September 1731 also marrying an Elizabeth Lunt in August 1754. They had one son Stephen William born 1762.
I know that this is conflicting and I am happy to send you the note that I have which is lengthy and covers the Fynney lone containing Fielding Best Fynney. It is not my research and does not give any sources. It might help to eliminate much of this long note I have found to be correct but not all.
Boy Scout
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possibly of some use.
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/winthrop/familyhistory/Fynney-of-Fynney-land-Cheddleton-tree.jpg)
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These Finneys are strictly Hayesgate Finneys and I have traced them back to Richard Ball Finney who was born about 1580. My connection to this family is through Elizabeth (b. 27 oct. 1820) who married Joseph Bowers. They had a daughter Kezia who married George Gould in Ipstones. I have been helped by some wills to establish some of this family as the Alstonefield register has some unfortunate gaps. During the civil was there were no marriages at all. There were two succesive
Williams, one who married Elizabeth Dale (born Hollinsclough Bap. Hartington), and Elizabeth Ball who was born in Fernyford and named in her father's will as the wife of William Finney. The early Ferniford people are in the Alstonefield Register as many villages belonging to the Harpur-Crewe Manor are, before they had churches of their own. Anyway, What in particular do you need? This is my very first connection by the way, my skills aren't all that great, so be patient please. I just hope I can find my way back.....
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Ralph Johnson husband of Ruth Fynney was not born in earl shiilton Leicestershire he was born in wetton staffordshirev - staffordshire parish registers he also had a younger brother Benjamin
John Fynney attended the Quaker church in leek he is mentioned as a silk button manufacturer - he was in business with several different people in the silk industry in leek Amelia Haslam married to Ralph Johnson in stoke was born in Bakewell in 1855. She
Worked at Chatsworth House- her father was George bailey died 1857 Her father was not Anthony Haslam who was her mother’s second husband
Her mother Sarah burrows was born in east indies - her father was Charles burrows of 30Th foot - she married George bailey in india - hope that covers answers to some of the posts leading from John Fynney - whose sister was Ruth Fynney and Elizabeth Fynney
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Hi I couldn’t reply directly to yr message .it is my first time on here!
I am decended from william and Elizabeth Fynney - Ruth Fynney and ralph Johnson -
John Fynney is mentioned as a silk button man in the Quaker on line history of the leek Quaker house - along with other silk button men of leek and prominent Quaker companies like rowntrees - google leek quaker Church
Ralph Johnson birth is shown in the written staffordshire parish registers on line son of William and Elizabeth born wetton 1754
Amelia Haslam (Bailey) birth record is shown as George bailey and Sarah - 1855 -Bakewell Derbyshire - George died in 1857 they were running a pub in Bakewell - she married Anthony Haslam in the same year.
Sarah was born in Secunderabad and married George in 1838 - they probably returned to Bakewell sometime after 1841=- George was born Rowsley in abt 1809
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We have made some progress with this Fynney/Tomlinson association thanks in the main to Claire on here; as I see this is where we stand.
Elizabeth Oakes marries Samuel Daintry in 1770, their daughter, Catherine Daintry, is born 1776.
There is a possible death for a Samuel Daintry and burial at Stone 1779, his abode is shown as Leek but I’m not 100% sure that’s him.
On 17th March 1781 at St. Edwards, Leek, John Fynney aged 27, Button Merchant, marries Elizabeth Daintry a widow age 30.
Catherine Daintry marries Richard Tomlinson in 1809; they name two of their children after Catherin’s stepfather, Fynney and one after Catherine’s maiden name; Daintry.
All this above is on Family Search.
We know that John Fynney died in 1828 and is buried at St. Edwards, Leek but we do not have the grave reference. Staffordshire Burial Records have his “abode”; Compton.
Also on Staffordshire Burials, in 1818 is a death of Elizabeth Fynney, aged 75 her abode is also shown as Compton, she is buried at St. Edwards Leek, no grave reference.
If we had a grave reference numbers, this might put these two together has anyone any ideas how this could be done?
Also Claire refers to seeing wills online and I wonder where that is available? In order to see Samuel Daintry’s will of 1779 and maybe Elizabeth Fynney’s of 1818.
One more thing; I have seen a Tree on Geni that has Samuel Daintry shown as the son of the Reverend John Daintry of Leek, but it’s lacking evidence. I think I’ve read somewhere that there is a memorial or statue of John Daintry inside St. Edwards.
Boy Scout.
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Hi,
I have been looking at various records today. I think that burial may possibly be your Samuel Daintry. He didn’t leave a Will but there are Administration documents for him, signed by Elizabeth and I’m presuming John Fynney dated 1781.
There are numerous Daintry Wills - one a Charles Daintry dated 1818 ( he died 1810) - not gone through it all but his abode was Leek but he too was buried in Stone.
Elizabeth didn’t leave a Will that I can see - but I will check.
Claire
EDIT: After reading the Will of Charles Daintry he was sister to Catherine Tomlinson nee Daintry who was mentioned in the Will.
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Claire,
Thanks for your help on this, it is very intresting that Charles Daintry was buried at Stone also.
I've had a look at the Staffordshire Burials for him and he shown as "Abode Darlaston" there must be some family connection with Stone or the Church there.
He was aged 45 and described as a Gent.
Boy Scout
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FindMyPast also have the Will of John Fynney dated 1829 - mentions surnames Bowers, Tomlinson Johnson and Hulme ( his sister Sarah married a Hulme)
Claire
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Not conclusive, but given the tree you have seen, there is a baptism in Leek 19 Sept. 1735 of a Samuel Daintry son of John Daintry curate of Endon and Mary his wife. The baptism was also recorded in the registers at Endon.
When John Daintry Curate died in 1758 the Leek St Edward parish register contains not only his burial record but a lengthy paragraph of what a wonderful man he was as a husband, father and as a minister.
Claire