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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: smudwhisk on Wednesday 06 January 16 15:43 GMT (UK)
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Just noticed that the remaining* Northamptonshire parish registers have appeared on ancestry. ;D
Northamptonshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1532-1812
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=9198
Northamptonshire, England, Marriages, 1754-1912
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=9199
Added - *remaining in the sense of Marriage and Pre1813 Baptisms and Burials - doesn't mean, as ever with ancestry, that they are complete.
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Oooh, thanks for alerting me to that, Smudwhisk. That's me occupied for the foreseeable future then.... ;D
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Me too. ;D Been waiting for these ever since the later baptisms and burials went online last February.
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Finally I can make some progress on my grandfather's part of the tree - it's been looking a bit thin compared to the other branches, and a couple of the marriages I've found already might break some long-standing brick walls.
Sorry other ancestors, you're getting ignored for a while :P
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Thanks for posting this, just a word of warning they are not complete as just checked a couple of mine and they are not there. Then checked the dates for the parish in question and Ancestry only start in 1798. so if what you are looking for is not there do not despair they may be uploading more records at a later date
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Thanks davidft. I do not currently have a sub to Ancestry. My family research on my main family has been blocked for several years by my inability to find a Northants birth around 1765-68. I read Smudwisk's original post and had just decided to ask how it was known that this completed the records before taking out a sub. You have now answered my question and saved me some money. Hopefully, as you say, they are working on other records and will get back to where you and I want to get to in due course
Tony
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What births are you looking for? I can have a look on the discs I have if it helps
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I read Smudwisk's original post and had just decided to ask how it was known that this completed the records before taking out a sub. You have now answered my question and saved me some money. Hopefully, as you say, they are working on other records and will get back to where you and I want to get to in due course
Tony
I didn't say they'd completed it, although I appreciate te phrasing may have suggested that. The "remaining" in this context were Marriages and pre1812 Baptisms and Burials which not included in last February's release. I'll amend the post so its a little clearer.
I'd be surprised knowing ancestry if there weren't gaps. That said, FindMyPast are as bad, Hertfordshire and Westminster being prime examples. :-\
There's definitately a gap in Haselbech marriages between 1798 and 1808, I was looking for one I know is there (as have seen on the microfiche) for 1806. :-X Whether that's caused by NRO or ancestry, remains to be seen. It'll depend on who digitised the registers and I think from memory it was NRO. :-\
At least if the whole register is missing, its easier to spot.
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Thank you. My oldest known paternal ancestor was Edward Vines who by calculation from his death certificate age was born around 1765. He married in Collyweston, Northants in 1796 and the parish marriage record states that he was from the parish of Laxton, Northants. That doesn't necessarily mean that he was born there of course and I've not been able to find his birth in Laxton. He eventually moved from Collyweston to Bulwick (where he also died and which is near Laxton). I know that death record ages are often wrong too which doesn't help!
I have information about births of an Edward Vines in Apethorpe around the correct date and also in Hambleton in nearby Rutland and they appear to be the only ones in the area with both the right name and date. There are other Edward Vines births in the area but they are quite far off in date terms from the calculated birth date above.
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Thanks for the explanation Smudwhisk. It did seem to me that "remaining" signified 'all that were left'.
I agree that FindMyPast miss things out. I complained to them about missing census records for a village in Leicestershire well over 2 years ago. They told me that the only explanation must be that the original census records must have been lost so could not be transcribed but as they are transcribed on Ancestry (which you can see without a subscription of course but not the detail) I told them that this was not an acceptable excuse. 2 years later they are still missing from FindMyPast.
Tony
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FindMyPast have great gaps in the Hertfordshire Parish Registers, particularly for Watford and Rickmansworth post 1800, but others also. When queried, they said it was the Records Office's fault and would investigate, but nothing has come of it and when other RCers have asked the RO about it, they never got a reply. :-X
Same problem with ancestry, there remain some quite large gaps in the non-Westminster London parish registers. Although the London Metropolitan Archives were apparently keeping a list of gaps, nothing has ever been done about it.
I suppose we should be thankful with what has been made available online, but its just very frustrating when there are some so obvious errors in quality checking both by the commercial companies and the archives concerned. ::)
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As a heads up, ancestry do not appear to have indexed all the registers yet that are uploaded. I was looking for a baptism in Naseby from 1749 that I know exists. The Bishops Transcript entry appeared in the search results but not the one from the Parish Register itself. A trawl through the Parish Register found it so they are uploaded.
So, if something's missing and the register is definitely on the site, its worth checking to see if its just not been indexed. The same thing happened originally with the Gloucestershire PRs when they were first uploaded.
Interestingly though when saving the Parish Register entry it is available to "Save to your Shoebox" which normally with an unindexed page isn't available. So its anybody's guess what ancestry are up to with the indexing because the next page in the Parish Register is showing in the results itself. :-X
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Roade parish registers are missing from 1725-1812, the BTs are on there but as I've already been through the PRs looks like I shall have to wait and hope they get uploaded at a later date. :-\
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The collections that were added last year (i.e. baptisms and burials 1813-1912) are showing up as "recently updated"... so there's a chance that some missing records or even entire parishes may have been added. Same goes for the Gloucestershire parish records.
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This is good.
Although my great great grandmother was born in Oundle, her father was from Hunts, so my NOrthamptonshire ancestry is just from her mother's side.
I have made quite good progress, but this should help a lot.
I still need to go to NOrthants RO though to look at some wills
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Re: Edward Vines
I looked for Edward Vines born 1765 plus or minus 10 years. It only gave three records
Edward VINES son of William & Elizabeth baptised 16-Mar 1755, Gretton C of E
Edward VINES son of John & Eleanor baptised 19-Jul 1767, Apethorpe C of E
Edward VINES son of William baptised 19-Dec 1775, Wellingborough C of E
These are from Church of England and non conformist records, also included a search for Vine, Vyne and Vynes which showed no results
All three of the above baptisms appear on Ancestry but only two in the index. The baptism of Edward Vines 19 Dec 1775 is indexed as that of John Jones who is actually the entry above Edward Vines. So John Jones is currently there as baptised 6 Dec 1775 and 19 Dec 1775. I have informed Ancestry.
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Thank you for letting us know.
Sandy
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Hmm there seem to be some problems with many early records
At least I can manually look at the pages
E.g. I looked at the Polebrook records and found John Palmer son of Henry b 1655
There does not appear to be any transcription - even mistranscribed for this
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I agree that FindMyPast miss things out. I complained to them about missing census records for a village in Leicestershire well over 2 years ago ....
If the page is missing from the numbered sequence (i.e. does it jump from, say, p.12 to p.14) it could well be at the National Archives. There's a missing page on Ancestry for the Bideford on Avon 1861 census. Ancestry advised me to contact the Warwickshire Records Office; they didn't have it either but referred me to TNA. I emailed them and a couple of weeks later received a reply and a copy of the missing page.
Hope this makes sense :)
STG
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Hi STG
The point I was trying to make is that the census in question is available but somehow either the transcribers working for FindMyPast overlooked them or more likely FindMyPast themselves dropped the pages down the back of the office fridge. I know that they are available because they have been transcribed for Ancestry. More importantly when the omission was pointed out to them they firstly claimed that the original records were not available to them i.e. they had been lost by GRO in the dim and distant past (not true) and then when corrected they did nothing about it.
As someone else pointed out, none of them is perfect but the above example smacks of disdain for their customers.
Tony
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Hi Davidft
Sorry for not replying earlier but for some reason Rootschat has stopped sending me notifications of replies to threads I have contributed to. Well at least they didn't today!
Thanks for your work on my behalf. They are the same finds that have come up before. I think that the two outer Edwards are unlikely in the one instance because he would have been in his mid 90s when he died (surely his wife would have known) rather than his mid 80s and in the other it would have made his marriage somewhat early in life. The middle one from Apethorpe remains a strong possibility in view of its location but sadly that takes me no farther forward. I somehow need to find a reference to his parents or his place of birth in another valid record that I know relates to him. But given his humble background I think that is unlikely. I suspect that my paternal line will for ever be stuck at Edward.
Tony
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The middle one from Apethorpe remains a strong possibility in view of its location but sadly that takes me no farther forward. I somehow need to find a reference to his parents or his place of birth in another valid record that I know relates to him. But given his humble background I think that is unlikely. I suspect that my paternal line will for ever be stuck at Edward.
Do you know the names of any of his siblings, would that help?
Do you know who the witnesses at his marriage were, any chance there were family members included?
Alternatively have you looked in Leicestershire as Apethorpe and Laxton are very close to there
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I found some of the index transcriptions muddling.For example the named wife was actually the child which was clear when you looked at the real transcript.Look carefully at the names.
I too am missing at least one Naseby record ....maybe born elsewhere....
Still it's good to see these records and I hope some of my brick walls can be knocked down.
Ringrose
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Been delving into the family of my 3xgreat-grandmother Elizabeth Brawn - a corner of my tree I'd not previously explored. The Northamptonshire records have really opened things up for me.
And give Ancestry some credit - in most cases, the surname hasn't been mistranscribed as Brown :)
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Hi again davidft
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Do you know the names of any of his siblings, would that help?
Do you know who the witnesses at his marriage were, any chance there were family members included?
Alternatively have you looked in Leicestershire as Apethorpe and Laxton are very close to there
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I don't know the names of his siblings. I would however if I knew which of two families he was from!
The witnesses to the marriage were someone from the bride's side (probably although the surname was spelled slightly differently) and someone from neither family if the name is anything to go by so I don't think that helps
Apethorpe and Laxton are closer to Rutland than to Leicestershire (and also to Peterborough which has spent time in Northants, Hunts and Cambridgeshire) and there is indeed an Edward Vines from around the same birth date in the records for Hambleton, Rutland. He is our second strong possibility and a branch of that family line can also be found a few decades later in a small village called Knossington in Leicestershire which we know our family lived in as well. Indeed there was even inter-marriage between the two lines in Knossington when the widow of a Vines from one line married a widower called Vines from the other line (saves changing the notepaper I suppose!) so there is some circumstantial evidence that the two lines may have earlier links. However, Apethorpe is closer to both Laxton and Collyweston (where Edward's marriage took place) so that too could be circumstantial evidence.
It is very annoying to get so far and not be able to get farther back but I do appreciate your ideas. Thank you.
Tony
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OK. Don't give up hope. I posted a message on here four years ago for someone I could not find. I got a message at the end of last year identifying his whereabouts so it does happen.
Good luck with the continued search
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Thanks David. I certainly won't give up looking but it's a brick wall I've had for maybe 8 years of the 12 years I've been working on my family.
Tony
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Found one error in my tree
Tracing back I was looking for a marriage.
I found one in 1676 in Great Weldon.
Went to look at the records by browsing in Ancestry - They have Weldon
Is shows no PRs that old
However do a search on Ancestry and it shows as Welton
There's a lot of difference
The family was from Benefield so Great Weldon would be very close
Welton is across the far side of the county
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Further to this - I checked the front page of the concerned volume and it has a modern (archive) label saying Weldon
I have reported to ancestry that this is wrongly indexed and wrongly pointed to in the browsing
Will check the other volume
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I've been able to see the Weston Flavell records on Ancestry Northants parish register & (thanks to Seahall who kindly gave me the date & parish to search!) have found the marriage between Rachel Linnell & Joseph Bugby (August1831). For the life of me I can't make out the name of the first witness - please could anyone help? Rachel Linell has been a mystery for years now & I have the (faint) hope that the name might offer a clue
Thanks
Maggott
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It looks, to me, like Holmes Timson, but I see that he witnesses the marriage above and three on the next page, so maybe he was a Church Warden or similar, rather than a relative?
STG
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Thank you for that, STG.
Another bright idea hits the dust if he was was the parish clerk... Rats!
Cheers,
Maggott
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There's a baptism (on FS) for a Rachel Linnell, d/o William and Sarah on 18 Aug 1802 in Henlow, Beds; and I see from the 1861 census that Rachel (now Mrs Bugby), and living in Raunds says she's from Henlow, Beds ....
Does that help?
STG
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Thank you again - I've got that baptism,but that's where I run out of steam. Masses of William Linnells, but none with a Sarah in Bedfordshire that I can trace. The couple are a mystery - any ideas?
I'd thought vaguely, that if Rachel married in Weston Flavell, it might be her family home,but I've no hard evidence for that at all. William & Sarah are unremarkable names too, which doesn't help & Linnells are two a penny in Northants, as you will know. So a real poser-any help received with gratitude.
Best Maggott
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Roade parish registers are missing from 1725-1812, the BTs are on there but as I've already been through the PRs looks like I shall have to wait and hope they get uploaded at a later date. :-\
In case anyone is interested, the missing Roade 1725-1812 register has been incorrectly uploaded as Marholm. The Marholm PRs for that period are on there but Roade's "missing" register is included under the list of those available for Marholm. I've checked against this register some entries I know are for Roade, which confirms this.