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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: ewontner on Sunday 10 January 16 21:52 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find a death record for an Ellen Thordahl (born in about 1869 as Elena or Ellen Annoni).
She was married to a George Peter Christopher Thordahl from Denmark.
Her son was George Joseph Thordahl who I know died in 1964 in Little Sutton in The Wirral.
The death records don't reveal any suitable matches but she was definitely alive up to 1939 whwn she is recorded as widower as she is listed in the 1939 register. She would have been 70 so don't think she would have remarried.
Do any of you recognise these unusual names or where I might be able to look next.
Also looking for death details of her husband who in 1911 is living in Thames Ditton in Surrey. Also no idea what happened to him after that date.
Thanks in advance for any help
Ed Osborne
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George Joseph was 63 when he died in the latter half of 1964 - so this tells us George snr and Ellen were having children at the turn of the century..
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCV-XQV2
do you know who Amy Thordahl is ??? born 9th sept 1905 - died 1992 in Birkenhead
was she born a Thordahl or marry one ??
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZC-BMR3
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Madeline Thordahl b june qtr 1897 - in Liverpool - looks like a sister
George Joseph b 1901 in Liverpool
Madeline married Robert C Caunce 1925
now I know who Amy was - George Josephs wife - Amy Millwaters married 1931
so it would seem we need to find the family in 1901 census - do you have them ??if so could you post it please
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this marriage record has Elena Annoni - married Xmas day 1895
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK24-WZD
registered as Ellen Annoni b Liverpool mar qtr 1870
parents Alesandro Annoni and Isabella Lennon - who married Liverpool St Peter church mar qtr 1869 - Alesandro aged 28 - Isabella aged 16
Italian born in 1841
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK24-WZD
2 servants so quite well off - Thomas Street address ...so city centre of Liverpool ...
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I can't see a death for either of them. Is it possible that George senior died overseas (possibly Denmark?)?
In fact, I can't see a marriage either.
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I am trying to find a death record for an Ellen Thordahl (born in about 1869 as Elena or Ellen Annoni).
She was married to a George Peter Christopher Thordahl from Denmark.
Her son was George Joseph Thordahl who I know died in 1964 in Little Sutton in The Wirral.
The death records don't reveal any suitable matches but she was definitely alive up to 1939 whwn she is recorded as widower as she is listed in the 1939 register. She would have been 70 so don't think she would have remarried.
Do any of you recognise these unusual names or where I might be able to look next.
Also looking for death details of her husband who in 1911 is living in Thames Ditton in Surrey. Also no idea what happened to him after that date.
Thanks in advance for any help
Ed Osborne
Can you please tell us the address in 1939? Perhaps she was killed in a bombing raid?
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Thanks for the input so far.
I am already aware of the other people already mentioned ie Madeline Thordahl (sister of George Joseph and daughter of George senior and Ellen/Elena). She married a Robert Cecil Caunce.
Amy Milwaters was George Joseph's wife.
I already know all their dates of birth/death.
It is still Ellen/Elena's lack of death record that is frustrating me.
Death details for her husband George will be harder to pun down since I think he could have either gone back to Denmark or possibly to Iceland where I already know that there are marriage records relating to him.
Sorry don't know the exact 1939 address but will try to find it out.
Thanks for help so far.
Do you think Ellen/Elena's death is not listed because it hasn't yet been transcribed? I know there are still millions of records that haven't been transcribed.
Ed Osborne
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In 1934 Kelly's gives Ellen's address as Welsh Gate, Puddington, Ledshaw, Wirral.
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Hi ewontner
I tried looking for a death of George in Denmark without success unfortunately but I did find a few censuses which looks like his family in Copenhagen. You may already know this but it can also point you in the right direction.
George Peter Christopher Thordahl in 1855 Census in Copenhagen:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid8375380
George Peter Christopher Thordahl family in 1880 Census in Copenhagen:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10281094
George Peter Christopher Thordahl father's family in 1840 Census in Copenhagen:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid4761013
Ian
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Where was Ellen born? I wonder whether she also returned home at the start of the war thinking it was safer than staying in England?
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I have just read his marriage certificate on Ancestry and it states that his father was Rasmus so this family in Copenhagen is the correct family.
Ian
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Went digging in Iceland for a death, no luck yet.
I did find these censuses though. According to the 1901 census George's wife Rannveig was divorced. I wonder if they got divorced because of Georg Thordahl Finnsson.
George Peter Christopher Thordahl with wife in 1880 Census in Iceland:
http://www.manntal.is/leit/thordal/1880/1/1880
George Peter Christopher Thordahl with wife in 1890 Census in Iceland:
http://www.manntal.is/leit/thordahl/1890/1/1880
Could be George's child in 1890 Census in the same parish:
http://www.manntal.is/leit/thordal/1890/1/1880
Rannveig Steinunn Thordal in 1901 Census - divorced:
http://www.manntal.is/leit/thordal/1901/1/1880
Georg Thordahl Finnsson in 1920 Census:
http://www.manntal.is/leit/thordahl/1920/1/1910
I hope the links work.
Ian
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A death of a child of George and Rannveig in Iceland:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG56-K4L
Ian
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Elena Thorndahl b abt 1871 Mar 1957 Thurrock 4a 827 ?
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Elena Thorndahl b abt 1871 Mar 1957 Thurrock 4a 827 ?
Well found CB53 ;D
Deaths Mar 1957
THORNDAHL Elena age 86 Thurrock 4a 827
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Told you they were good on here Ed.........excellent job rootschatters ;D
Angie
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Here is the original 1855 census for George:
He is at the top with his Grandmother Inger.
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=17415207
Parents on opposite page:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=17415206
Ian
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Thanks for everyone's help on this query. Many heads are better than one and with any luck the death record found will prove fruitful. Thanks for the helpful Icelandic links. They confirm some info provided by another route.
:)
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Good Morning Rootschatters,
Just a quick not to let you know that was the correct death detail for Elena Thordahl.
Another success, thanks everyone for your input.
Regards
Angie
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Hello,
I am researching a Danish man named "George Peter Christopher THORDAHL"
He was born in Copenhagen, Denmark in about 1854 to Rasmus Thordahl and Juliane Brodersen.
He then married in Iceland to a Rannveig Sivertsen and had a young son Valdemar who died in infancy. In about 1896 he married an Ellen Annoni and had two children - Madeline Thordahl and George Joseph Thordahl (1901 - 1964).
The last date and place that I can trace him to is Thames Ditton, Surrey, England working as a poultry farmer (aged 57) according to the 1911 census (with his wife, Ellen living elsewhere).
I don't know what happened to him after that date - I can't find any emigration papers or military or death records. I wonder if he appears in the electoral register or maybe died locally. It is a complete mystery what might have happened to him.
Can anyone help? Am totally stumped.
Thanks
Ed
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1911 he is shown as Peter George Christopher
He married Elena Annoni in 1895 in Liverpool - shown on the marriage cert as a bachelor??
Elena died in Essex 1957
George died before 1939 given Elena’s marital status on the 1939 register
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Thanks I am aware of the 1939 register and Ellen being listed as a widow. That still leaves a huge span of years from 1911 to 1939 when records for George Peter Christopher Thordahl seem non existent. He is an enigma. Any suggestions of where to look next?
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No help in finding details of his death but details of birth/baptism(?) on Family Search. Image of original register.
Peter Georg Christopher Thordal. Birth 16 June 1854. Christened Garnisons Kirke, Copenhagen. Parents - Rasmus Carl Sophus Andreas Christensen and Ansine Juliane (Brodersen) Thordal
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Here is another post on RootsChat:
topics now merged
Ian
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Have asked moderator to merge posts to prevent any duplication of info