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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) => Topic started by: kirstyc on Tuesday 12 January 16 13:36 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Trying to track an ancestor in East Lothian and would appreciate any help or suggestions as I'm not familiar with this area.
I'm looking for a Jane Brodie born in Garvald in 1777 or 1778. She married James Church, a farmer in Canonbie, Dumfries-shire. She's listed in the 1851 census and a marriage notice as being called Jane, but the only possible births I can find are a Jean Brodie and a Janet Brodie. Jean and Janet were both born to a Alexander Brodie and Margaret Ferme or Fram.
If it's the right couple, they married in Oldhamstocks in 1757 and then went on to have 12 children (gulp) over the next 20 years. The first 4 were born in Oldhamstocks and the rest in Garvald.
1 13/09/1758 BRODIE JOHN ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FERME M OLDHAMSTOCKS
2 17/02/1760 BRODIE MARY ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FERME F OLDHAMSTOCKS
3 12/06/1761 BRODIE ELISABETH ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FERME F OLDHAMSTOCKS
4 26/04/1763 BRODIE JANET ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FERME F OLDHAMSTOCKS
5 08/01/1765 BRODIE MARY ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM F GARVALD
6 08/10/1766 BRODIE ELIZABETH ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM F GARVALD
7 05/12/1768 BRODIE ISABLE ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM F GARVALD
8 22/09/1770 BRODIE ALEXANDER ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM F M GARVALD
9 07/01/1772 BRODIE JAMES ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM M GARVALD
10 30/08/1773 BRODIE MARGARET ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM F GARVALD
11 28/07/1775 BRODIE JANET ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FRAM F GARVALD
12 05/09/1777 BRODIE JEAN ALEXANDER BRODIE/MARGARET FARM F GARVALD
I've a few questions that I'd really love some help with as I don't know this part of Scotland at all and am drawing lots of blanks:
1. The Jean born in 1777 seems the most likely because of the dates but I didn't know that Jane was an abbreviation of Jean. She was listed as Jane in her marriage notices and census. Any thoughts on the Jean / Janet / Jane thing?
2. There are inconsistencies in the spelling of Ferme / Fram so it is possible that these are two different couples. Has anyone come across any Fermes or Frams anywhere else in the Oldhamstocks area?
3. Jean and Janet's baptism records state that Alexander Brodie was tenant at Bara. Can't find anything at all relating to him there. Am assuming that the family moved from Oldhamstocks to Bara sometime in 1763 and 1764.
4. The 2 baptism records I've seen also say that John Brodies elder and younger were witnesses. These could be Alexander's father and brother or eldest son. Can't find any trace of them either.
Sorry for the very long post but thanks for reading!!
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty ,
Jean and Jane are interchangeable.
Have you looked at the Wills section on Scotlandpeople ?
Alexander Brodie , date 30th Oct. 1793 , tenent in Barra(7 pages) , Edinburgh Commissary Court.
ev
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Hi Ev
Thanks for the reply - no I hadn't as I hadn't tried the alternative spelling. Will have a look...
Kirsty
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Also, do you think that Janet died in infancy and they just reused the name a couple of years later, albeit in a slightly different form? There was an even earlier Janet in 1763 as well.
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How about Frame, Kirsty?
Skoosh
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Whilst it is possible they are two couples, it looks like they are the same. As Skoosh says, Frame is the likely modern spelling. There is a process of metathesis by which a word like "grass" becomes "girse" in some dialects of Scots. That would easily account for the Fer becoming Fra. A different parish, a different clerk.
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Hello Kirsty,
Have sent a PM re the deaths of some of the children of Alexander and Margaret.
Mags
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Me again Kirsty
Just reread your message about Baro. There's a John Brodie buried at Innerwick who lived at Baro. He died 7/09/1784.
Mags
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Hi
Just wondering if you are still looking at this question from a while back. These Brodies and Churches are my ancestors and I have a bit more information if you are still looking.
All the best.
Elspeth