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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: Matti on Monday 18 January 16 13:57 GMT (UK)
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My great grandfather was born in Newport, Wales, and moved to South Africa as a young man in the late 1870's or early 1880's. I would like to know more about his family, if possible.
Since I don't live in the UK it is a bit difficult to me to do any research, so if someone would like to help me, please send me a PM, and I can give you more details.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, as you have to make 3 posts before the PM facility is activated to you, why not supply all the information you have on him and we will attempt to trace earlier records for him?
Keyboard86
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Welcome o rootschat Matti. :)
If you can give us some details, such as name, date and place of birth, parent's names, etc (as much as you know even if not a lot) then I'm sure you'll get many people willing to try to help you. It is best to have your request up here on the boards ... many minds, availability of various resources and different ways of searching can often find something that a lone searcher cannot.
PM is usually reserved for information that you don't want to share on a public forum.
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Ok, fine.
Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857. (There is a small chance that the birth year could be 1858.) Died on 16.6.1947 in Germiston, South Africa. I am not sure about the place of birth, but to my knowledge he lived in Newport prior to his immigration to SA.
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Hi again in a rush but looks to be him as Godfrey aged 13 in Penzance, Cornwall in 1871?
Census ref RG10/2339/110/13
Keyboard86
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This is probably his birth registration from freebmd http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
December qtr 1857
Godfrey Charles Barnes
Newport M reg district 11a 180
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Hi again using that 1871 as a guide, think he could possibly be transcribed on my site in 1861 as George BARNO aged 3
Charles Barno 26 occ Mason
Mary 31
George 3
Harry 1 b Pontypool
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26
Keyboard86
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Hi again in a rush but looks to be him as Godfrey aged 13 in Penzance, Cornwall in 1871?
Census ref RG10/2339/110/13
Keyboard86
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ6-ZS1
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Probably Godfrey baptised in Cornwall after his family moved there:
Madron, Penzance, Cornwall
baptism 6 February 1863
Godfrey Charles
s/o Charles and Mary BARNES
from: https://familysearch.org/search/
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Thanks for the information.
It seems that he had lost his father quite recently..? Is it possible to find any information on him?
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Hi again, looking at the original of 1871 Mary is recorded as being married?!
Keyboard86
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Mary possibly died in 1880
From freebmd (free to search) http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Deaths Dec 1880
Mary Barnes age 51
Penzance registration district 5c 196
In 1881 Godfreys sisters were staying with an aunt in Pembrokeshire
RG11/5414 f42 page31
Eliza Poulson 59 Married born Monmouthshire
Ada Barnes 16 bn Penzance
Emily Barnes 12 bn Penzance
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This is probably his birth registration from freebmd http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
December qtr 1857
Godfrey Charles Barnes
Newport M reg district 11a 180
If you purchase this certificate from the GRO it will give details of his mothers maiden name. This will enable you to locate the marriage certificate which should give Charles fathers name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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This is probably his birth registration from freebmd http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
December qtr 1857
Godfrey Charles Barnes
Newport M reg district 11a 180
If you purchase this certificate from the GRO it will give details of his mothers maiden name. This will enable you to locate the marriage certificate which should give Charles fathers name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Ok, I can do that. Is this (above) the information I need?
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Yes that is all the information you will need. It will cost £9.25 which includes postage anywhere.
Rosie
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Yes that is all the information you will need. It will cost £9.25 which includes postage anywhere.
Rosie
Ordered. It will take a week or so.
Many thanks.
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Let us know what it says and whether you need further help.
Rosie
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Hi Matti
Many thanks for the PM. As PM's are only really used for exchanging more confidential information and so that others are given the opportunity to help I will reply to your post here.
I'm a bit puzzled. There seems to be a similar family in the 1861 Census, but the name is written without ”e” Barns. All the names (Mary, Charles, Godfrey and Henry) match if ”Henry” is ”Harry”. Godfrey's birth place here is Bassaleg which is quite close to Newport where ”the other” Godfrey was born. So ”Bassaleg” could be ”Newport”.
The problem is the age of Godfrey's father which is only 26 in the 1861 Census (thus born in 1835). The other Charles was born in 1910.
In the 1871 Census there is no father with the family nor Mary (Godfrey's mother) was described widowed, ”Henry” is back to ”Harry” and the name has now ”e”. The older Charles died in 1879. What happened to the younger Charles? Could it just be an error with the age in the 1861 Census?
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The 1861 census that you are querying has been suggested by Keyboard
Charles Barno 26 occ Mason
Mary 31
George 3
Harry 1 b Pontypool
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26
The 1871 suggested RG10/2339/110/13
Mary Barnes 41 Usk, Monmouthshire (Married)
Godfrey 13 Newport, Monmouthshire
Harry 12 Pontypool, Monmouthshire
Edward 8 Penzance, Cornwall
Ada 6 Penzance, Cornwall
Emily 2 months Penzance, Cornwall
I am not seeing a Charles other than Godfrey's father :-\ Mary is describes as married in 1871. Information on online trees should always be verified. Do not think something is right just because lots of trees have the same information, it is often because it has just been copied on without checking. Those trees do not have a death date for Charles bn c1834.
Rosie
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Maybe the PM was a little incoherent. As of November 1880 Charles and Mary were deceased, so the girls had to go to stay with their aunt in Pembrokeshire. That Charles who died in 1879 was born in 1810, which suggests that the younger Charles coudn't have been Godfrey's father.
I think the girls went to Pembrokeshire after the death of their mother in November 1880 or perhaps some time earlier, so their father must have died before that, and he is the older Charles...
If the younger Charles is ”the right” father, who is then the older Charles who died in Penzance where the family lived?
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Hi again the " older Charles Barnes b c 1810 "could be in 1871 the Charles Barnes 59 married to a Salome and family in Penzance
Census ref RG10/2331/63/7?
Keyboard86
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Hi again the " older Charles Barnes b c 1810 "could be in 1871 the Charles Barnes 59 married to a Salome and family in Penzance
Census ref RG10/2331/63/7?
Keyboard86
It could but the age doesn't match.
One day I found this information of his death:
Day Month 14-May
Year 1879
Parish Or Reg District Erth, St.
Forename Charles
Surname BARNES
Age 69
Residence St Erth
So he was quite sure born in 1810, and should have been 60 or 61 in 1871.
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Death notice from The Cornishman 3 December 1880
BARNES __Nov. 23, at 1 Foster-place, Penzance, Mary wife of Mr Charles Barnes, stonemason, aged 51.
Note that Mary is "wife of", not widow.
1 Foster Place is the address of the family in 1871.
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Death notice from The Cornishman 3 December 1880
BARNES __Nov. 23, at 1 Foster-place, Penzance, Mary wife of Mr Charles Barnes, stonemason, aged 51.
Note that Mary is "wife of", not widow.
1 Foster Place is the address of the family in 1871.
Does this then mean that Charles was alive that time? Or is it common to say that someone was a wife of a deceased person..?
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It means that Charles is still living - other death notices in the same column show widows as "relict of", and it is usual to make the distinction of a woman being wife or widow of somebody, according to whether their husband is alive or not.
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Hi again the " older Charles Barnes b c 1810 "could be in 1871 the Charles Barnes 59 married to a Salome and family in Penzance
Census ref RG10/2331/63/7?
Keyboard86
It could but the age doesn't match.
One day I found this information of his death:
Day Month 14-May
Year 1879
Parish Or Reg District Erth, St.
Forename Charles
Surname BARNES
Age 69
Residence St Erth
So he was quite sure born in 1810, and should have been 60 or 61 in 1871.
Who was quite sure of his age, the dead man or those who reported it?
Keyboard86
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It means that Charles is still living - other death notices in the same column show widows as "relict of", and it is usual to make the distinction of a woman being wife or widow of somebody, according to whether their husband is alive or not.
Ok then. Charles (the younger) was alive the time of the death of his wife. Why two of his children had to go to their aunt? There is no information when it took place, however. And Charles is not shown in the 1871 Census. Where was he?
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:) Possibly Army/Emigrated?
Keyboard86
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Ok then. Charles (the younger) was alive the time of the death of his wife. Why two of his children had to go to their aunt?
In these days men worked long hours and maybe would not be capable of bringing children up on their own. Just because the children are with relatives on census night it does not mean that it is their permanent residence.
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:) Possibly Army/Emigrated?
Keyboard86
Army: 35 yo in army..? Even so, wasn't he still the head of his family?
Emigrated: What kind of a father would leave five children and go abroad in search of an adventure? :)
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:) Hi again, just as you will find you must look at all avenues, possibly he emigrated in search of a new life for his family, remember Godfrey ended up in SA?
Keyboard86
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Or he could be 'married' to a young girl and spending the night under a haystack in Surrey ;D ;D
'Longsdown Farm under Haystack'
Charles Barnes 48 born Harbury, Gloucs
Mary A. Barnes 28 born Allington, Gloucs
RG11/762 f112 p52
He would not be the first person to 'up and leave' his family and lie about age / birth place
Sorry I could not resist posting that though it could be him ;)
ADDED I can't see a Harbury in Gloucestershire ::)
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On the online trees that you mentioned I have looked at the 3 trees that I can see and none of them appear to have a birth certificate for any of Charles & Mary's children to confirm Mary's maiden name.
They are all giving Mary's maiden name as Edwards and Charles parents as Luke & Elizabeth with no certificates to back up any names.
They have Charles as born in Mangotsfied, his occupation ag lab.
As you have sent for Godfreys birth certificate you will be able to confirm Mary's maiden name. It will then be necessary to get the marriage certificate which would confirm Charles fathers name. If as the trees say his father is Luke then there is a fair chance that the Mangotsfield Charles is yours. This should make it a bit easier to search as we then have a better idea of where in Gloucestershire he was born and be able to eliminate other Gloucestershire born Charles Barnes like the one I found in 1881.
Just for information, when you see a certificate with the registration district of Penzance it covers an area larger than penzance itself. This link shows the places covered
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/penzance.html
Rosie
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The certificate came today. It seems to be the right one.
Mary's maiden name was Edwards. The certificate also explains why Charles was so ”invisible”. He was ”a journeyman”.
This is the same Mary, I believe:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVV-JQL3 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVV-JQL3)
It gives some information about her parents.
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Glad the certificate is the correct one.
Charles occupation shouldn't make him invisible though it just means he has served an apprenticeship and probably works for someone else.
Familysearch is playing up on my computer at the moment so I will look at your link later.
Rosie
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Hi again, so was this the marriage possibly?
Charles Barnes to Mary Edwards Dec qtr 1856 Haverfordwest 11a 1230
Keyboard86
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Charles Barnes to Mary Edwards Dec qtr 1856 Haverfordwest 11a 1230
Keyboard86
It could well be. Godfrey was born in November next year.
This other one suggests that Charles was only 15 yo when he got married which does not seem realistic.
BARNES CHARLES — — 1850 England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
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This is probably Mary's sister Eliza (Poulson) with whom the children stayed in Pembrokeshire in 1881.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCTK-1F4
Is this the correct information to order the marriage certificate?
Charles Barnes to Mary Edwards Dec qtr 1856 Haverfordwest 11a 1230
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Hi again, yes that is the correct reference to order from the GRO, re above baptism, when Eliza Edwards married John Poulson occ Engineer 1st March 1852 St Paul, Newport the fathers were James Poulson occ Butcher and Edward Edwards occ Schoolmaster
Mary in 1851 aged 22 b Usk with Edward 65 occ Schoolmaster Hester 54 Residing Bridge Street, Usk
Census ref HO107/2450/138/4
Baptism of Mary Edwards 17th May 1829 Usk Father Edward occ Schoolmaster Mother Esther
Family in 1841 minus Eliza :-
Edward Edwards 55 occ Schoolmaster
Esther 45
Mary 12
William 10
Eliza Avent 15 Independent
Mary Lane 18 Independent
Residing at Mary Port Street, Usk
Census ref HO107/749/23/ 5/3
Marriage 23rd April 1821 Bryngwyn
Edward Edwards of Llanfihangel by Usk to Esther Kingscott of Clytha
Keyboard86
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Hi again, yes that is...
Thanks for the information. I will order the certificate. It seems to take about two weeks...
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Was Charles a stonemason journeyman?
http://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1229672
Marriage of Emily Kingscotte Barnes to Thomas Edwin Tenbeth 1890, witness Ada Barnes, her father Charles Barnes Mason.
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Was Charles a stonemason journeyman?
Yes, that was in the certificate.
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Emily Kingscote Barnes born 01 mar 1878 at Foster Place, Penzance
http://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=4239953
Ada Barnes aged 40 wedding William Jacka in 1905 her father Charles Barnes, mason.
http://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1235362
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Emily's husband Thomas was from Toronto, Canada,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHS-BL1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHS-BL1)
and they had a daughter named Emily (after her mother) born in around 1904
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GM-TCS (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GM-TCS)
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Hi again baptism's :-
Elizabeth Edwards 5th May 1822 Llanfihangel Gobion
Esther Edwards 25th January 1824
Llanfihangel Gobion
Hannah Edwards 16th September 1827 Llanarth
All Father Edward occ Schoolmaster Mother Esther
William Edwards 1st August 1831 Usk Father Edward occ Schoolmaster Mother Hester
Keyboard86
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Hi again, I checked out the Charles with father Luke b Mangotsfield it looks like family were all Ag Labs etc, but there is this Charles in 1851?
William Edwards 52 occ Mason
Elizabeth 52
Charles 17 occ Mason b St Just
Residing at Ludgvan, Penzance
Census ref HO107/1917/215/17
One to check out possibly?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, I checked out the Charles with father Luke b Mangotsfield it looks like family were all Ag Labs etc, but there is this Charles in 1851?
William Edwards 52 occ Mason
Elizabeth 52
Charles 17 occ Mason b St Just
Residing at Ludgvan, Penzance
Census ref HO107/1917/215/17
One to check out possibly?
Keyboard86
Wouldn't this suggest that Charles's surname was Edwards..? The same than his future wife's...
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>:( ;D Well spotted!!
Must have Edwards on the brain, start again looking for a Charles Barnes although I checked out a Charles Barnes father Luke!
Keyboard86
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;D Hi again, having at present trouble locating Elizabeth/Eliza Poulson post marriage, but this appears to be her husband John in 1861:-
John POULSOM 32 Married occ Engineer b Bristol
George Davis 26 London
Residing at Upper Solva, Haverfordwest Census ref RG09/4169/72/12
Keyboard86
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Luke was Charles' father. George Barns (missing ”e”?) and John Poulsom witnessed the ceremony. John was Mary's sister's Eliza's husband. George probably was Charles' brother..?
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Luke was Charles' father. George Barns (missing ”e”?) and John Poulsom witnessed the ceremony. John was Mary's sister's Eliza's husband. George probably was Charles' brother..?
Hi again was this information from the marriage certificate, if so what was the occupation of Luke and any other information that may be relevant ie ages/addresses at marriage?
Keyboard86
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They got married on 25 Dec 1856 at Dale, Pembrokeshire.
Luke was a gardener. Charles was 22 and lived in Block---use (three letters difficult to read). Mary was 27.
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OK so the Charles aged 17 b Mangotsfield could be him, as same family in 1861 have Luke 67 occ Gardener Elizabeth 66 Stephen 21
Census ref RG09/1699/52/13
Stephen ends up as a Plasterer in later census returns
1851 with Charles aged 17 b Mangotsfield
Census ref HO107/1944/232/4
Keyboard86
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Hi again just to complete the census returns of Luke & family, if indeed this is the correct one:-
1841 census
Luke BANN ( As transcribed) 40
Elizth 40
William 12
Martha 10
Ann 8
Charles 6
Stephen 9 months
Residing Mangotsfield
Census ref HO107/377/ 17/7 / 9
Keyboard86
PS so wondering just who was the George Barns/Barnes if not his brother at the marriage?
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PS so wondering just who was the George Barns/Barnes if not his brother at the marriage?
Could he have been Luke's brother or nephew..?
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PS so wondering just who was the George Barns/Barnes if not his brother at the marriage?
Could he have been Luke's brother or nephew..?
You might like to look who is living next door to Charles and Mary in 1861 at Club Row, Pontypool
George Barne( as transcribed) 39 occ Mason Gloucestershire
Sophia 38
Henry Cambridge 18
William Barne 12 b Monmouthshire
Elizabeth?? Married 38 b Usk
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26
Keyboard86
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You might like to look who is living next door to Charles and Mary in 1861 at Club Row, Pontypool
George Barne( as transcribed) 39 occ Mason Gloucestershire
Sophia 38
Henry Cambridge 18
William Barne 12 b Monmouthshire
Elizabeth?? Married 38 b Usk
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26
Keyboard86
How was George related to Charles?
Elizabeth (b 15 Sep 1822) could be Mary's sister.
William was probably George's son.
Who was Henry?
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;D Why do they have to be related even though I believe they were, so your task is just who possibly Elizabeth Edwards married and who is the Henry Cambridge 18 Nephew b Gloucestershire ;D
Remember we are here to help not to do all the research for you!
If you get stuck, please come back.
Keyboard86
PS William Barne aged 12 is shown as Nephew b Risca, Monmouthshire
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Hi again, to help out this is 1851:-
Jane Cambridge 54 Widow occ Nurse
Charles Bees 26
Sophia Barns 30 Daughter
George Barns 29 Son in Law
Henry Cambridge 8 Son
All born Mangotsfield
Residing Pontypool
Census ref HO107/2449/140/69
Keyboard86
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Hi again, to help out this is 1851:-
Jane Cambridge 54 Widow occ Nurse
Charles Bees 26
Sophia Barns 30 Daughter
George Barns 29 Son in Law
Henry Cambridge 8 Son
All born Mangotsfield
Residing Pontypool
Census ref HO107/2449/140/69
Keyboard86
This is quite clear: widowed Jane C had a daughter Sophia married to George B, and Henry was her son. The question of who deceased father Cambridge was is quite irrelevant.
George was probably Charles' cousin. That would explain why Mary's sister Elizabeth lived in the same household with George's family. Maybe Elizabeth's husband John Poulson(/m) was a journey man, as he was a marine engineer, and thus not shown in the census. There is no evidence that they had any children.
Who was Charles Bees? It may also be irrelevant...
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Hi George was not his cousin, he has remarried by 1871 census :-
Marriage 24 July 1870 Llandenny
George Barnes Full Age Widower occ Mason Father Luke Barnes occ Gardener
Mary Jane Bennett Full Age Spinster Father Samuel Bennett occ Collier
Witnesses William Williams, Charles Edwards
Keyboard86
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Hi George was not his cousin, he has remarried by 1871 census :-Keyboard86
Thanks for the correction. George was about 14 years older than Charles which explains why George was not shown in the 1841 Census. If born in 1822 he was 19 and lived somewhere else...
Is it possible to find out something about Luke's and Elizabeth's parents? If I got it right the first census took place in 1841.
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;D Hi again, having at present trouble locating Elizabeth/Eliza Poulson post marriage, but this appears to be her husband John in 1861:-
John POULSOM 32 Married occ Engineer b Bristol
George Davis 26 London
Residing at Upper Solva, Haverfordwest Census ref RG09/4169/72/12
Keyboard86
Hi again, Elizabeth on the 1861 with George Barne/s when original magnified is Elizabeth Poulson/m, a couple of points however, "Journeyman" and its meaning has already been given to you by Rosie in an earlier post, it does not mean he is necessarily travelling throughout the country, also where did you find the occupation of John was as a Marine Engineer from? EDIT OK located from 1881 census for Eliza!
When Henry Cambridge aged 32 occ Mason married Elizabeth Stevens 31 7th September 1874 Llanfihangel Llantarnam he gave his father as Charles Cambridge occ Mason, the father of Elizabeth was a William occ Labourer, in 1841 a Jane BEESE 40 occ Charwoman with children in household of Sar 20 Ann 8 Jane 6 all daughters, are at Downend, Mangotsfield, I have located elsewhere in Downend Charles & Sophia working away from home, living next door is a Chas Cambridge 46 occ Stone Mason so it looks like Jane "took the name" Cambridge but possibly did not marry Charles.
Also cannot at present locate marriage of George Barnes to Sophia?
Also tracked John Poulson/m back to parents in 1841, on his marriage in 1852 Newport to Eliza I transcribed his father as James Poulson occ Butcher, checking again it should have been Jacob Poulson occ Butcher, John was born c 1827 Atworth, Wiltshire and in 1881 aged 54 b Atworth he is married and 2nd Engineer in Pembroke
Census Ref RG11/5412/136/45.
In 1891 He is a Civil Engineer with a badly transcribed Eliza in Penzance
Keyboard86
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Hi again,in 1901 Eliza Poulson 79 Widow b Usk is with an Arthur Poulson 39 Nephew b London in Cardiff
Census Ref RG13/4972/98/9
Keyboard86
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Also cannot at present locate marriage of George Barnes to Sophia?
In 1851 in Jane Cambridge's household Sophia was a daughter and George a son-in-law, so I deduced that they must have been a pair.
This confirms it (I copied it from somewhere else):
”George was born to Luke and Elizabeth Barnes, in Mangotsfield. George became a stone mason, then he married a girl named Sophia Bees. George and Sophia and the Mother-in-law moved to Pontypool, in Monmouthshire along with Sophia's two younger brothers, to find work. Tragicly Sophia developed cancer of the uterus and six months later she died on the 5th November 1869.
George had already met Mary Jane Bennett, the daughter of Samuel Bennett, before Sophia had died, and when Mary reported Sophia's death, she was already calling herself Barnes. George and Mary Jane married in 1870 at Llanhilleth parish church. George and Sophia had a home in Moreton Street, Pontypool (Moreton Street no longer exists), so Mary moved in and George continued to ply his trade as a stone mason.”
... in 1841 a Jane BEESE 40 occ Charwoman with children in household of Sar 20 Ann 8 Jane 6 all daughters, are at Downend, Mangotsfield, I have located elsewhere in Downend Charles & Sophia working away from home, living next door is a Chas Cambridge 46 occ Stone Mason so it looks like Jane "took the name" Cambridge but possibly did not marry Charles.
It may be probable that Jane never married Henry's father Chas/Charles...
In 1851 there is no Jane (about 16) anymore. Where did she disappear? Ann was 18, so she may have left her home to get married. The 1841 Jane Bees and the 1851 Jane Cambridge may not have been the same person. Also the age doesn't match.
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;D Look take my word for it, stop going on about difference in ages from census to census, all seasoned researchers use anything from supposed yob +/- 5 on occasions especially with the 1841, Henry Cambridge on one census at least gives pob as Downend, Mangotsfield,?
EDIT And why was the above information re Jane Bees etc etc not divulged at even the earliest opportunity, I have spent hours trying to assist you, so not at all happy?
Keyboard86
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I can't see George's marriage to Sophia either, but the marriage of Jane Bees to Charles Cambridge is on familysearch as taking place at Temple Church, Bristol on 8 August 1842. It seems to be one of those records which has failed to be included in the GRO index.
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;D Look take my word for it, stop going on about difference in ages from census to census, all seasoned researchers use anything from supposed yob +/- 5 on occasions especially with the 1841, Henry Cambridge on one census at least gives pob as Downend, Mangotsfield,?
EDIT And why was the above information re Sophia Bees etc etc not divulged at even the earliest opportunity, I have spent hours trying to assist you, so not at all happy?
Keyboard86
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;D Look take my word for it, stop going on about difference in ages from census to census, all seasoned researchers use anything from supposed yob +/- 5 on occasions especially with the 1841, Henry Cambridge on one census at least gives pob as Downend, Mangotsfield,?
EDIT And why was the above information re Jane Bees etc etc not divulged at even the earliest opportunity, I have spent hours trying to assist you, so not at all happy?
Keyboard86
Don't get me wrong. I surely appreciate your effort. I put it this way: as I am a novice in family search, I don't understand what is relevant and what is not.
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I can't see George's marriage to Sophia either, but the marriage of Jane Bees to Charles Cambridge is on familysearch as taking place at Temple Church, Bristol on 8 August 1842. It seems to be one of those records which has failed to be included in the GRO index.
Fabulous so 1841/51 Jane same person with different ages!
Matti as it looks like I have been confirming a tree on I presume Anc*** why not give me the host of said tree and I will confirm or deny with them and you can cut/paste at your leisure?
Keyboard86
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I can't see George's marriage to Sophia either, but the marriage of Jane Bees to Charles Cambridge is on familysearch as taking place at Temple Church, Bristol on 8 August 1842. It seems to be one of those records which has failed to be included in the GRO index.
Fabulous so 1841/51 Jane same person with different ages!
Matti as it looks like I have been confirming a tree on I presume Anc*** why not give me the host of said tree and I will confirm or deny with them and you can cut/paste at your leisure?
Keyboard86
The tree does't show the marriage of George and Sophia but it does for George and Mary Jane. The text on the site suggests the marriage of George and Sophia. As it is a personal website, I don't like to share the link publically. I'll PM the link to you.