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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: BumbleB on Monday 18 January 16 17:51 GMT (UK)
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My surname interest in this area is Archbell, mainly from Tadcaster.
I have a baptism in Tadcaster - for James Archbell =
Son of John Archbell of Tadcaster (Barber), son of John Archbell of Tadcaster (Joiner) by Grace his wife, daughter of ? Johnson of Tadcaster and Mary, daughter of Thomas Lamb of Appleton in the parish of Bolton Percy, farmer by Jane, daughter of . Born Tuesday, 11 August, baptised Sunday 26 September 1778.
I have never been able to find a marriage between John Archbell and Grace Johnson.
Today, I found a marriage between John Archbell and Grace Green - Tadcaster - 2 December 1733. No further information in the register.
There are a couple of children baptised in Tadcaster to coincide with this date - one of them being John, son of John baptised in Tadcaster on 21 July 1734/5.
On looking further I can now find a marriage - 16 June 1723 at Thorner (7 miles from Tadcaster) between Richard Green and Grace Johnson. I can't pin down a burial for Richard within the timescale, although there is a possibility in Pontefract (15 miles from Tadcaster) in 1732.
When Grace Archbell died in 1786, she was said to be aged 87, so a birth year of about 1699. I can't see any baptisms for around this date for Grace Johnson.
Any thoughts, anyone?
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It looks very plausible. If Grace's mother was a Lamb, is there a Lamb/Green marriage? cb
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Re the 1699 birth possibly in Thorner, a parish in its own right (but does not appear to start on the IGI until 1728)
I see there is a Thorner Historical Society
http://www.thornerhistory.org.uk/
and a link eleswhere says they published a list of their parish records in 1980
THORNER : C 1606-07, 1632-35 (BTs), C 1623-29, 1636-1841, M 1606-07, 1633-39 (BTs), M 1655-1841, B 1606-07, 1632-39 (BTs), B 1623-25, 1655-1841; list of clergy 1606-1837 [Typescript.]
Published : Thorner & District Historical Society, 1980
Author Boyle, M Alison ed.
I did not see it on their website but they may be able to point you in the direction of a copy.
Failing that the LDS have copies on film and I may be able to access a copy at the SOG library but not sure when i will next be going
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Thanks for the replies.
cb - don't think there is a connection between Green and Lambe as they are in-laws. Sometimes these Dade registers are a little confusing. James is son of John and Mary (Lamb), whilst John is the son of John and Grace Archbell (Johnson) and Mary is the daughter of Thomas and Jane Lamb.
David - in theory the BTs for Thorner are on FindMyPast from 1606. I can't see any baptism for Grace Johnson there in the timescale - Wakefield 1692, Kilham 1694, New Malton and York in 1696. Doesn't help that I don't know her father's forename either.
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BuzzyB
Have you a PR copy of James Archbell baptism Tadcaster ~~~~If so can you Email me a copy
Sometimes the person (Stand in Vicar) who enters the entry get parents and grandparents names mixed up on dade entries
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I'll do it when I get home tomorrow. I know that errors occur - he who never made a mistake never made anything ;D and there are some in the Tadcaster registers.
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Richard Green burial 1728 All Saint's York - Bearing in mind Thorner is just off the main A 64 road Leeds to York and Grace ends up at Tadcaster on the A 64 road to & even closer to York
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/yorkshire-bishops-transcripts-of-burials?firstname=richard&firstname_variants=true&lastname=%20green&_page=2
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Thanks for that. Something to bear in mind, although the entry does say "Richard, son of Richard" which to me signifies a child, BUT. On the other hand I can't see anything closer, in the right area, nearer to 1733.
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Logistical Christian theology or basic maths
How many John Archbell's married a Grace ??? in Tadcaster or surrounding area 1700's - not a lot of straws if it be but one. ;D
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Only one that I know of. Thanks. ;D It just sort of threw me when I was looking for Grace Johnson. At least I wasn't trying to sort out the Thomas and Mary contingent. ;) Or trying to find Sarah Appleyard :-X :-X :-X :-*
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Tadcaster parish church register
Baptism - Grace daughter of Thomas Johnson 9 th Jan 1698/1699
Marriage Richard Green to Grace Johnson 16 June 1723 in Thorner parish register
Marraige John Archbell of Tadcaster to Sarah Green of Tadcaster 2 Dec 1733/34
Burial - Grace Archbell died in 1786, she was said to be aged 87, so a birth year of about 1699.
There be one straw or Grace
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Many thanks - as always. :-*
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Dear BumbleB,
I know this is a little later than your search period, but have you come across
Thomas Archbell of Tadcaster, the husband of Sarah Traynor b. 1822 at Biggin West Yorkshire.
I am a descendant of Harriet Traynor also born/bapt at Biggin. She married John Cunningham 1838 and they lived in Scarborough.
I would love to find a link to a connected family
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Yes, I have come across Thomas who married Sarah Trainer on 24 February 1840 at St Mary, Tadcaster. Sarah was said to be aged 18 and the daughter of Peter Trainer, a Sailor.
Looking at Harriet's marriage entry, I would agree that these two are siblings, despite the different spelling of Trainer/Trayner - both made their mark.
Does this fit?
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Thanks BumbleB
Yes I thought they were sisters......There was also another Mary Ann who married a Mr Dobson i Tadcaster
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I can't seem to find Mary Ann's marriage at Tadcaster. :-\
I can help a little with Thomas and Sarah's information. Thomas died in 1848 and Sarah went on to marry Thomas Stead in 1853. I also have some information on the Archbell children.
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Dear Bumble B,
Sorry for delay in replying. We have just moved house and have not
Yet signed up for internet…I’m using my library at the moment-2 hours only!
You mentioned Sarah’s marriage, where her father is listed as sailor. On Harriet’s marriage certificate, when they married at Hovingham, he is listed as Hairdresser [?]
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Sorry, marriage entry does not show an occupation for Peter Trayner. Hawking Pedlar is John Cunningham's occupation - both senior and junior.
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Dear BumbleB,
I only have the Official Marriage Cert for Harriet and John Cunningham.....Where did you obtain yours? Is it Parish Register?
Regarding the other Traynor girl....
Mary Ann Trainer married 1st Gillespie Gordon -married 2nd William Dobson
at Tadcaster March quarter 1849
In my family John Cunningham being a Hawker [He was born in Paisley Scotland, but don't know if he was Irish?] it was said that the Traynor's were Gypsies??? All I can say is all the descendants have been dark with black hair.
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Parish register on FindMyPast. AND the previous record is for Mary Ann :D
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Thanks for your help BumbleB
Should any Archbell-Tainer/Trayner/Traynor etc ever contact you.....Please remember me?
Best Wishes
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I'll bear it in mind.
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I should have added that if you want to know things about Thomas and Sarah's children, then contact me. I have a fair amount of information on them.
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Hi,
I'm descended from Catherine (Crossland) ARCHBELL via her great-grandson Thomas ARCHBELL (B.1819 Tadcaster) & his wife Sarah TRAYNER/TRAINOR (B.1822 Biggin).
Would be interested in getting in touch & sharing information.
Clairalulu
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Hi Clairalulu - yes, I'd very much like to make contact and share information. Look forward to hearing more from you.
My Archbell line is from Catherine and her son George, born 1776.
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Clairalulu - reply to this, and we can communicate further - PLEASE
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Hi,
I've been reading some of the 'Archbell' threads on here & think we may have been in contact some years ago. Unfortunately I lost access to my old email account and, with it, my contacts list.
Regards,
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Very possible, of course. We can continue here, or by e-mail (I have sent you a private message with my e-mail address).
Look forward to hearing from you again.