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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Sheila Whittingham on Tuesday 19 January 16 14:05 GMT (UK)
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I have been trying without success for a number of years to find my great great grandfathers burial place.He died in Brighton in 1882, whilst lodging in what I was told was a lodging house in a rough district.He died in January and it was suggested if a huge number of people were dying in that month and were destined for a paupers burial, their names would not be entered in the cemetery burial book.Could anyone confirm that this is true and also give names of any Brighton cemeterys that had pauper sites. Thankyou.
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Have you asked Brighton & Hove Council?
https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/community-and-life-events/deaths-funerals-and-cemeteries/family-history-research-burial-and
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Many thanks will do
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Looked through my notes and just realised that I had contacted Brighton and Hove some years before and they had no record of his death,so I am beginning to wonder if what i was told about deaths of paupers not being entered in burial books at busy times is true
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I suppose its possible that if some real epidemic was happening a burial entry might say something like "three persons buried this day" because the likelihood of accurate information happening was lessened. Even under normal circumstances there are unfortunate entries in burial registers that don't include names. I was stunned by one Islington burial register that was littered with "child found in river" "baby found in churchyard" "child found in gutter", was very upsetting. They aren't just restricted to children though, with the occasional "man found in docks" or "wife of Mr Smith" "Man Unknown, aged about 35". Makes you wonder if that one relative you just can't find is written down in some manner like that and while you are cursing them out for having been abducted by aliens... :-\
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I have been trying without success for a number of years to find my great great grandfathers burial place.He died in Brighton in 1882, whilst lodging in what I was told was a lodging house in a rough district.He died in January and it was suggested if a huge number of people were dying in that month and were destined for a paupers burial, their names would not be entered in the cemetery burial book.Could anyone confirm that this is true and also give names of any Brighton cemeterys that had pauper sites. Thankyou.
I am sure it did happen but it certainly was not common practice as such a practice was unlawfuly and each offence came with a £5 penalty (from 1864 the fine was increased later).
Cheers
Guy
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In response to Ayashi's post - I too was saddened when researching my mother's Cornwall family to see a fair number of burials for 'man/woman's body washed up on beach'.
Josey
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have another look at the death cert and cross reference the place of death with a current map and try to find the nearest cemeteries. It will be easier to ask each cemetery if they have him as you have an exact date of death. Burial would have taken place 3-5 days later.
If a death cert has been issued I think it unlikely he will have been anonymously buried.
I don't know of a cemetery that doesn't have a section for common graves (our ancestors would be horrified by the term pauper graves, many families couldn't afford to buy a plot but would have scrimped together the necessary funds for a decent burial.)
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Thanks folks,finding his resting place would finish 10 years of research,.He died at Providence Place,of pneumonia, and his son lived on the other side of Brighton, with his pregnant wife and two very young children, all newly arrived in Brighton, so I should think he was not in a position to pay out very much for a funeral.I contacted cemetery records some years ago and paid my fee but they said couldnt find him, and over the years I tried so many other places.I have had so many suggestions over the years of where he might be,I think I will just have to assume he is somewhere in Brighton.
So sad to hear of these poor folk who were not given a proper burial. Thankyou again.
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Here in Australia, most of the large cemeteries have what is known as "pauper graves", for people whose estates don't have enough to pay for burial. I believe one of my great uncles, a single man, is buried in such; I find this hard to understand, as he had several siblings still alive, who surely could have helped to cover the cost.
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Do you want to post his name so we can see if he turns up anywhere else?
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Thankyou but I have found everything about him over the past 10 years except where he is buried...just want to end the story.
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I didn't mean other types of information, it's just that people have have access to all types of burial records, a lot of which may not be online.
If you post his name we can check other burial records for you.
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Sorry...thankyou Philip Christian Stortz died January 1882 at Providence place Brighton.
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One immediate thought is that his surname has been incorrectly recorded where ever he is buried.
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From SFHG
Philip Christian Stortz buried St Andrews Hove Age 56 30 Mar 1882
Notes Providence Place.
Regards
Sean
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Sean you are a Star !!, after 8 years of searching I can finally end his story,.I will now see if I can visit in the summer. I am so happy ;D ;D ;D
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I have found two addresses for St Andrews Church Hove...Waterloo St, and Church St. is this the same church please.?
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Waterloo Street:
St Andrew's Church is a former Anglican church in the Brunswick Town area of Hove, part of the English city of Brighton and Hove. Although declared redundant in 1990.
The church was always unparished, having been built as a chapel of ease to St Andrew's in Church Road
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Andrew's_Church,_Waterloo_Street,_Hove
Church Road:
St Andrew's Church is an Anglican church in Church Road, Hove, in the English city of Brighton and Hove. It is usually referred to as St Andrew (Old Church) to distinguish it from another St Andrew's Church in Waterloo Street, elsewhere in Hove.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Andrew's_Church,_Church_Road,_Hove
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Many thanks, looks like 300 bodies were moved in 1883 and more since that date, so I think next job is to contact east sussex records office to see if they know if he was one who was moved.,but at least I know where he was originally laid to rest.
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Thankyou everyone for your help.according to East sussex records office he died January 28th and buried 30th March March so it looks like nobody was willing to pay or could not pay for his funeral.Buried in new burial ground in a common grave with no headstone.