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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Clarro on Friday 22 January 16 20:47 GMT (UK)
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My greatgrandfather was Pathrick H. Lydon. His 1865 Civil War (America) records list him as being born in "Gallway" about 1846-1848. Another record lists his mother as Sarah Turner, father as Patrick Lydon. I can find no record of his parents or of family emigration to America. I begin finding records with an 1860 Pennsylvania census. Nothing before then. It seems his mom married again (before 1860) to a Michael McTigue. I know that Patrick had at least one sister, Catherine.
Family settled in Pittston, Pennsylvania (Luzerne County), a coal mining region.
Any help or guidance to finding Patrick's Irish roots would be greatly appreciated,
Clarro
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Hi Clarro and welcome to RootsChat
The problem is you don't know where is in Galway Patrick was from, I was trying to narrow down the search area but wasn't having much luck so I though finding his mother as Sarah McTigue might help but I can't find her in the 1901 Census or a death for her before 1901 in County Galway.
Have you anything other information that could narrow down where in Galway to search.
Also can you tell us what their Religious denomination they were.
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Hi Sinann,
Thank you for trying to help. I do appreciate it. I know the family came to America before 1860 - found them on a 1860 census. The difficulty is that I'm sure "Gallway" is even correct. It was listed on one of his military records, but so many American records from that time, and forward, are so inaccurate. I know they were Roman Catholic. I do know that hismother married twice..first to a Lydon (his father) and then to a Michael McTigue. Since the 1860 census has her already married to McTigue, also from Ireland.
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She went to America as well?
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Yes..don't know when..but she came to America definitely before 1860. Don't know who she travelled with or what name she used, or when she left Ireand, or how etc. I've looked everywhere and on all online sites (FamilySearch, Ancestry, RootsIreand, Famine Immigration Databases, etc) - can't find any record that remotely might be her, or her son Patrick (Lydon). The other difficulty is that she, and others of her generation, never learned to read or write and the census takers in America also may have been slightly illiterate or of a different culture..so names, spelling of names, dates, birthplaces, etc were wildly different from census to census. It's a mystery I'm determined to solve! The only clue is that her maiden name, Turner, is the one consistent thing across some records, e.g. Patrick's obituary and death record, and that of his sister (Catherine).
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There is some hope they could be here
http://registers.nli.ie/
But trawling through all the Galway parishes, if that is where they are from, is a big task and you still might not find them due to missing records.
RootsIreland is another possibility but that is subscription based.
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Yes, it is a big task. I meant to say that I'm not sure if Galway is the correct place of origin, so I'm checking RootsIreland for all counties, not just Galway. I have learned that "Patrick Lydon" is a popular name! Even in America in my small hometown in Pennsylvania..there were so many "Patrick Lydons" it took me several years to find the right one. Thank you for your help.
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Have a look at this one,
Think it might be a Mary (perhaps) parents Pat and Sarah. No maiden names on the mothers and both sponsers are Lydon so no help
11 of May 1844 bottom left page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634175#page/41/mode/1up
Worth keeping a note of at least.
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I'm not sure where you all are located, but I'm in PA. Anyone that died between 1904ish and 1960, I can access their death certificates on Ancestry.com for free.
Please use Findagrave.com as well. A lot of people in this state document cemeteries and you may find someone on there as well.
If you do find someone and find they died in that timeframe, I would be more than glad to search death certs. On them, usually you will find the parents names and a death informant that is related to them.
Hope that helps,
Jan A
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find a grave
www.findagrave.com
this might be our Patrick memorial no. 120727015
born 1847 died 2.3.1928
saint john the evengelist cemetery
Company H, 69th Pennsylvania infantry also company B, 30th US infantry 1865-868 he was a corporal when he was discharged.
Pahtrich will be under Patrick
It migh also have had a pension.
http://familysearch.org
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I did some searching on death certs and I believe this may NOT be the one you are looking for. I found two, I believe one was married twice, or his wife was. I need to sit and look at each of the death certs (as that I found 2 Patrick's, one wife and at least a daughter). I will post what I figure out.
Jan A
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I will need to go back and search the route of the McTigue.
Here is what I was coming up with: none with that name where you thought they would be buried.
There was a Patrick Laden DC:75930
B: 17Mar1848 Ireland D: 1Aug1914
He was a railroad man, father: Patrick Laden.
Death informant was a Mrs Edw? something from Bradford Pa (towards NY Border)
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There is a Bridget Brown B: 10Jul1851 Ireland D: 28Dec1927 as a widow DC: 110734
Husband: Patrick
Father: Patrick Laydon of Ireland and mother: Bridget of Ireland.
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There is a Patrick Laden B: 13Mar1842 Ireland D: 30Oct1931 a farmer DC: 97458
Parents: Unk from Ireland
Informant: Mrs Fred Eaton.
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The final one, he appeared to be married to Bridget
John Cotterell B: 7May1849 Killarney Ireland, D: 19May1926 a coal miner DC: 56566
F: Andrew Cotterell of Ireland
M: Julia Welch of Ireland
He is buried at St. Mary's in Hanover Pa, informant was a Little sister of ? in Scranton Pa
Do you know of a Bridget in the family? I used the dates you have for that findagrave memorial and there is NO one coming up in the death cert search for that. When I expanded the years I came up with the questionable ones. The more you can give me, the better to cross -reference death certs.
Jan A
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The only clue is that her maiden name, Turner, is the one consistent thing across some records, e.g. Patrick's obituary and death record, and that of his sister (Catherine).
Clarro already has Patrick's death record.
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What would the date of birth be for Catherine?
And did she ever marry, a marriage record might hold more clues.
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Wow.Thank you Sinann..that clue is the first time that a Pat and Sarah and Lydon have been together in the same place. and I've been looking for years. Definitely going to follow that clue. I appreciate your help.
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Hi Jan_A. You have great ideas. My Ancestry site is full of death certificates. They are a wealth of information. Patrick died at the Old Soldiers Home in Washington, D.C. The home was established for veterans of the Civil War. When he died, no family was present so the names of father and mother are listed as "unknown".
We're from Luzerne County. I do all my research online. But I know there is a record out there, somewhere, that is NOT online. I believe Patrick was naturalized. A census notation says so. So, if you have any access to naturalization records for Luzerne, I'd appreciate your help.
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Hi Rathmore. That IS my Patrick. We, and the GAR, set that mention up about a year ago. Next time I visit my hometown, I intend to go to the cemetery and look for a gravestone. There are a few "Lydon" gravestones but I'll need to find all of them. They were all very active in the church.
He is my Ancestry site..the branch for Patrick. http://person.ancestry.com/tree/12486431/person/-249154813/facts
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According to the 1860 Pennsylvania census, Catherine was born in 1855. Patrick also had two brothers listed on that census: William born abt 1853, and John W. born 1852. But the census information has been a hard clue to follow, e.g. in 1860, they are all listed as born in Pennsylvania, and in 1870, they were all born in Irleand.
I know that they all died in America. Catherine married John Roache in 1877. She died in 1926 in Tennessee. Her death record lists Patrick Lydon as father and Sarah Turner as mother.
As for William and John, no other traces of them after 1870 Pensylvania census. On the 1900 Pennsylvania census, Sarah lists that she had 7 children, 3 were still living. That would eb patrick, Catherine..and on other unknown.
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A possible hint is in the obituary for Henry, Patrick's son, who was killed by a train (In Pennsylvania). In the obit, it mentions that an undertaker was a cousin. That "cousin" parents was Charles "Lyden" and Honora Graham (born in Ireland).
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It appears you found what you were looking for? If you need more, please let me know.
Jan A (Pennsylvania)