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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: GGYD on Tuesday 26 January 16 15:02 GMT (UK)
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Hello. I'm trying to find the age and occupation of my Great, Great Grandfather William Walker. He married Mary Quinlan in 1872 at Carrick-On-Su. I'm unable to buy or order on online because i'm on library computers and don't wish to purchase anything on them. I wonder if there is a kind sole out there that could have look for me? Thank you all for your time, its appreciated.
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Sorry, should read Carrick-on-Suir
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No one can look up the contents of a marriage cert from any of the Republic of Ireland county's for you online, you can order a photocopy by post or fax for €4
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/916e619864096
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At the time of marriage, William was a soldier.
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Mary's baptism 1880 number 49 here
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633560#page/214/mode/1up
some remark in Latin after her baptism Pater ??????
siblings
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gy0/
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If they married in 1872 how can she be born in 1880?
Maggsie
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Sorry,
It's their daughter Maria.
Maggsie
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Daughter i thought the latin might be referring to father as protestant
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Thank you all, appreciated
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Daughter i thought the latin might be referring to father as protestant
Good spot, "Pater Acatholicus est", "Father is Non-Catholic".
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Two outside bets
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM34-BKH
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQL-4VX
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Wow, thank you all, got more than i expected. On the Parish register, what is the Latin 'Patrinis adstantibus et e sacro fonte levantibus' that is one of the boxes titles, also what is the answer to it please.
And why do you think William is a prisoner?
Thank you all for your kind reply's
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And why do you think William is a prisoner?
Thank you all for your kind reply'
If you take a look at dathai's first link you'll see....
Absent Without Leave Made Away With 1 Pair Boot
& second link
Illgl Possn Pair Boots & Spurs
Although the residence is a barracks, you would need further evidence to PROVE this is your William Walker.
There's a good source for latin words used in genealogy here
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Latin_Genealogical_Word_List
The column heading you quote is about sponsors/godparents; in this case Johannis Walsh & Brigidu
?Leigh ?Tigh.
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Very kind of you, and thank you for your link :)
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William WALKER m Mary QUINLAN on May 17 1872
LINK to Civil Records Reference (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/916e619864096)
They were married by Thomas BELL in Carrick-on-Suir CoI Church
William was shown as full age; a bachelor and a Soldier; from Carrick-on-Suir; father's name William a Blacksmith
Mary was shown as full age; a spinster; from Roseville, Carrick-on-Suir; father's name William a farmer
Witnesses were George KIRK and Catherine FRIEND
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there are three births I can see to a William WALKER and Mary QUINLAN in the correct timeframe that may link to names you have and be of interest
Richard Joseph b Feb 06 1877 bap Feb 23 1877 at St. Paul's RC Arran Quay Dublin
Elizabeth bap. Jan 23 1876 Dundalk
William b. Aug 23 1873 bap. Aug 31 1873 Newbridge, Co. Kildare - on this his father is shown as William WALKER 14th Hussars
edited to add link to baptism (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634537#page/63/mode/1up)
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Wow! Again, thank you myluck, the 14th Hussars is of huge interest. Thats great, i owe you one
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no problem - I've added a link above to the baptism which was RC
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Wonder are these young Williams sponsors on his baptism
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gyb/
1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKX9-FKC5
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Hello. On dathai post with Maria's record, what does it say in the habitatos box please?which i assume means address?? this is fantastic stuff, glad i posted! Or is it occupation? Because William's says 14th Hussars. Also i have been lucky enough to get hold of william, as in William jnr born 1873, his officers service record. In it there is a copy of his birth certificate, on it says occupation of father, Private 6th Dragoons? Either he transfered to 14th Hussars in those few days, the 14th were in Newbridge at the time or he's using it as the address? Confused a bit now. Thanks for all the help so far!
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Kilmainham.
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Same as
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT6-YQX
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possibly Richmond Bks as in 1901
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gyd/
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Thank you again good people, greatly appreciated. Can any one tell me what it says on Richards baptism register please
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number 2333 here Richard Joseph 7 Temple St sponsor looks like Mary Joseph Baldwin
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633676#page/171/mode/1up
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Thanks for fast reply. Is Temple st near a barracks? Where in Ireland is that please. So happy with all this info!!also, is the occupation of father on the 3 childrens birth certifictes/registers? If so it there a regiment on them? I know i keep saying thank you, but your time is greatly appreciated:-)
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Hello.
Just looked up William's birth, he was born on the 14th August 1873, not the 23rd as the baptism book says, the one with 14th Hussars on it. is this the right William? And his army record says C of E? ??? I would also love to know if the birth certificates of Richard and Mary have a unit on them.
Thank you all again, you've all been most kind
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Sometimes here we have come across children whose parents were of mixed faith having their children baptised within days of each other in both churches.
Catholic priests did'nt like a long gap between birth and baptism so they may deliberately have given a later date of birth to keep him happy.
Re William jnr being C O E he would have had the choice as an adult to follow what religion he preferred.
I dont think between the births and baptism's shown that there is any doubt as to them being the right children of the right parents.
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Thank you. Makes sense now. Does someone think that he was using the 14th Hussars just an address. As i said his extract on his service record from his birth certificate says Private 6th Dragoons. Is there a way of finding out if he had his regiment on Richard and Mary's birth certificate? You've all been stars, can't say thank you enough for the information
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The only way to find out fathers occupation on birth certificates is to purchase research copies of same.
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Hello
how do i go about doing that please? Is it all on line or can you do by post?
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Make sure you use the government site [at Roscommon]
http://www.gov.ie/services/buy-a-birth-certificate/
I have always downloaded & printed the application form [as dathai says, make sure you get a €4 research copy] then sent ADDED - post it off with credit card details.
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Thank you, shame its all on line. i use library computers and don't pay for anything on them. Is there a way i can do it by post?
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Werburgh St,Dublin 2
https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRO_Research.aspx
I am sure they will take your request by post
send them the following details
William Registration Districts
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY1K-7QQ Naas for Kildare
Richard
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB3F-NJC Dublin North
Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBS2-TZ2 Dundalk
Mary
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB7W-9ZL Dublin South
Postal Order or Cash at your own risk, might need to add another 2euro for post not sure about that part but they cost 4euro each for research cert.
I usually walk in the door with the same type details hand them in and am on my way in 5 mins so dont see any difference to order by post.
edited to add see this topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732930.0
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Thank you again. I can't thank you all enough, this has opened another door into my family history. I tried to find Elizabeth's baptism on the registers that you sent me William's, richard's and Mary's on and i can't find hers. Can i be cheeky and ask one of you experts to send it please. That would be most kind, then i'll have all the children. I owe you all one, i live in Plymouth so if there is any enquiry from here i can do please ask. Thanks
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Thank you, shame its all on line. i use library computers and don't pay for anything on them. Is there a way i can do it by post?
Yes print the form at this link and either post or fax to the GRO - LINK (https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx)
ignore the dialogue box that appears and click on cancel
A MS Word document will open that you can print and complete
Look for a photocopy for research purposes as the cost is €4
rather than €20 for a certificate for legal purposes unless this is specifically required
and you can request that they send the reply by email
The payment can also be made by Debit Card, Credit Card, Postal Order or Cheque.
There is an option for cash but this is only advised if the form in used in the office directly.
The forms look for quite an amount of information but once you have one of the following:
the details requested
or
the name, year, district, quarter (if any), volume no, and page no.
or
the Group Registration ID Reference and District/Reg Area as on www.irishgenealogy.ie entries
it will be issued
I usually use one of the Civil References and write in the area for PPS
The staff are very good in Roscommon and I have sometimes added a short note to ask for other information e.g. if they can see if there were other births registered to the same parents within a certain timeframe
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Thank you.
I have the forms in front of me now. What is the PPS number?
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It is a Personal Public Service Number (PPS number), a unique reference number that helps you access social welfare benefits, public services and information in Ireland.
It is a recent addition to the form and would not have existed for older people and therefore can be ignored for research purposes and ordering older certificates.
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Thanks,
I'm going for Mary's and Richards first of all. Sorry to be a pain. What should i put in the Address of place of birth, town, County do you think, or can you put a reference number in of some sort? Sorry to be a pain, i just want to get this right.
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GGYD
No problem - I would put on them
Her name where asked for and her parent's names as you believe
Then write at PPS: Reference 1880 Dublin South Q1 Jan-Mar V2 P76
for Richard
His name where asked for and his parent's names as you believe
Then write at PPS: Reference 1877 Dublin North Q- V2 P664
This has always worked for me!
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You're a star, thank you myluck. The T, H,A,N,K,Y,O,U keys on this key pad are worn out ha ha. To all that have replied to my questions i'm very grateful.
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You must be a touch typist as you could still find them!! Take care
Hope the certs prove fruitful
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Haven't contributed much to your search but it's lovely to be acknowledged & thanked. You'd be surprised at those who don't bother ::)
Josey
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Hello all again,
All paperwork sent off and looking forward to results.
The reason for me bringing this post up again is that i cannot seem to find William and Mary Walker on the 1901 or 1911 census. I,ve tried Ireland, Scotland and England, I've a photo of my Grandfather (born 1909), William's son(The William born 1872) sitting with them, But i've no idea where it was taken, he looks about 4 years old. So here i am asking for you good people's help again. William born 1847 Dublin, Mary ne Quinlan, born ??.
Your help, again, will be greatly appreciated.
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I note you say William born 1847 Dublin what is the source of that
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Firstly as William WALKER senior who married in 1872 to Mary QUINLAN was a soldier, Mary could either be a local to the area or the daughter of a local. Possibly the latter as her father's occupation was shown as farmer and she wasn't described as a servant or with an occupation that would take her away from home. Being full age she would be presumed born pre1851 (i.e. 1872-21)
If William was still in the army in 1901 and 1911 she could be shown as his initials only WW in a barracks return or he may have been abroad. Asking for army records to see where his regiment was could help.
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Hello again. Thanks for your reply's. My source is an old Army pay book of his that does not have a lot of info in it but what it does say is that his age was 32 when he attessted into the 3rd Dragoon Guards and the date was 22nd of Oct 1879 so thats where i got his year of birth. He left the army and rejoined not long after. How do i go about on Ancestry or FindMyPast getting a census for a military establishment? I've tried putting in a number of different words but nothing? Thanks again
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I thought myluck! established in reply #14 that Mary Quinlan was from Roseville, Carrick-on-Suir.
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Hello again. Thanks for your reply's. My source is an old Army pay book of his that does not have a lot of info in it but what it does say is that his age was 32 when he attessted into the 3rd Dragoon Guards and the date was 22nd of Oct 1879 so thats where i got his year of birth. He left the army and rejoined not long after. How do i go about on Ancestry or FindMyPast getting a census for a military establishment? I've tried putting in a number of different words but nothing? Thanks again
The church record of the marriage of William Walker & Mary Quinlan in 1872 states he was soldier then and his father was a blacksmith. If he is the same man as yours in 1879 which seems to be the case based on the children's records located he must have been in a previous regiment which is where the 14th Hussars reference possibly came from.
1847 is pre civil registrations so locating a birth record is dependent on a baptism record being available.
Searching on ancestry or findmypast is based on their search engine data
Whatever you type in and request they give back
Sometimes you have to use several variations of spelling to find what you are looking for
You can filter your results by clicking on the relevant title e.g. military or census to see what has resulted.
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I thought myluck! established in reply #14 that Mary Quinlan was from Roseville, Carrick-on-Suir.
Josey
This was the address given on her marriage record which is not quite the same as she may not have been living in her original home
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Thank you again. On the Irish census site, where would you type in barracks etc to see what it brings up please? Also, on his pay book, his Dad's name is not on there but his Mum's name is Matilda. His children are on it, william, Richard, and Mary, but not Elizabeth?
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This is a link to the 1901 where there are 351 WWs but you can see fairly easily who is in a barracks as opposed to a workhouse, hospital or institution LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1901&surname=w&firstname=w&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=)
when you add the county of birth as Kildare there are only 3 and none seem to be the correct age nor in barracks however he may not have given the correct county of birth
on the other information
his Dad may have been dead when he joined therefore not listed
and Elizabeth was born in 1880 and may not have been added
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Here i go again with my thank you's ha ha. But thank you all again, i'll try and use all the search methods. Oh, and Elizabeth was born 1876, perhaps she died? You've all been brilliant, cheers
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Hello
To all that helped me out on this one i have answers, just thought i'd share them with you.
William Walker was in the 6th Dragoons throughout William, Richard, Elizabeth's birth. He transferred to the 3rd Dragoon Guards in 1879, Mary was born in 1880. He and his family went to Muttra in India In 1884 with the 3rd Dragoon Guards.
I then discovered two documents on FindMyPast that answers the 'can't find them on the 1901 census' question.
The documents are Muttra burial registers. On them are listed Mary Walker died Aug 16th 1885 aged 5 died of diarrhea Daughter of Pte Walker 3DG,
William Walker died Aug 17th 1885 aged 38 died of cholera, Pte 3DG
Richard Walker died Aug 25th 1885 aged 8 died of cholera/dysentery, Son of late Pte Walker.
Mary lost her husband and two children in the space of a few days.
Its such a sad, sad end.
I still don't know what happened to Elizabeth?
Thank you all again
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Thank you for the update
They were hard times - in 1896 my paternal grandfather was orphaned young (aged 8 and he had younger siblings) when his father and two elder brothers died within a few weeks.
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I am interested in finding more about Mary Quinlan and William Walker. Where did GGYD find the military record for William Walker? Can you share the link?
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I just Googled Muttra burial registers
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiph-KEvercAhVITsAKHb1UArQQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cwgc.org%2Ffind-a-cemetery%2Fcemetery%2F5001726%2Fmuttra-cemetery%2F&usg=AOvVaw2QA7o8pp4N202jYcNOmwTl
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I am interested in finding more about Mary Quinlan and William Walker. Where did GGYD find the military record for William Walker? Can you share the link?
Hi,
What would you like to know about my Great Great Grandparents?
GGYD
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Mary Quinlan was my great grandmother. My grandmother was a child from Mary's second marriage to William Harrison. We knew about Mary and William Walker being in India and her return to the UK. We have found her death certificate and therefore know who her parents were but we know little else of the family in Ireland. So any information about her life in Ireland would be tremendous.