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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: debs14 on Wednesday 27 January 16 14:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi im looking into my relative who above apparently Emigrated to Brisbane Australia,aboard the ship "ortana" landing in Australia on 5th Dec 1907.
Any information on this and what happened to her afterwards would be greatly recieved.
many thanks
Debbie xxx
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Hi her departure from London to Brisbane on Vessel Ortona was as (Transcribed) Maria DOUCE aged 29 Single occ Domestic 18th October 1907
Keyboard86
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Hi, could you confirm her name please. DOWSE or DOUCE? Her Parents names as well if you have them, this will confirm right person possibly. There are no marriages or deaths on Qld Births, Marriages or Deaths.
Have you looked into the possibility of her return to UK.?
Neil
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Hi Neil. if the same Maria b c 1879 Beelsby, in 1901 she is Dowse occ Dressmaker with parents William & Emma
Census ref RG13/3097/75/13
Keyboard86
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Hi keyboard,
many thanks for the freemantle information,
i have now found it with some searching for douce as a domestic i was looking for Dowse and an Dressmaker and as i had her landing Brisbane thats also where i looked.(see below)
Name Maria Dowse
Birth 1878
Origin Lincolnshire, England
Departure London, England
Arrival 5 Dec 1907 - Brisbane - Age: 29
I take it then that she then sailed to Brisbane hence what i have found above,also she seems to have been travelling alone, which i assume would be unusual for a lady been also single,back then,heres hoping she did well and i can find what happened to her afterwards.
many thanks
Debbie xxxx
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Hi Neill,
many thanks for your reply i am looking into a possible return to the uk,but as yet i have found nothing,but would also like to know if she settled in Brisbane after her arrival 5th dec 1907 their, i am looking to see if any other family members went to australia,
many thanks
Debbie xxx
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The Ortona went from WA to Victoria, NSW and on to Brisbane.
The Brisbane arrival:
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/ImmigrationIndexes/Documents/Ortona_1906_May_to_1908_Mar_QSA_Item_18490.pdf
Scroll down to PDF page 13.
It wasn't unusual for single women to emigrate alone but she may have known someone in Queensland.
Debra :)
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Hi Debra,
so many thanks for your link, its been very useful,and its greatly appreciated, :)
Debbie,
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Find My Past has this possible Australian marriage reference,but needs looking into a bit more to confirm that this is the correct person,as such a vast country.
Victoria Marriages 1836-1942
Maria Dowse to Frederick Thompson.
Year, 1910.
Reg No, 6984.
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Hi Brione,
Many thanks for the marriage information, il try and see if some one on here can check the records for australia as i dont have access to them.ive looked on Australian archive site but nothing on their.
Many thanks
Debbie xxx
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Hi Debs14, I have checked the Vic BDM and the marriage is there with no confirming feature on the index. It would take a little warp on the plastic to get a true result and it will show parents so confirming.
But I can find NOTHING more on either Vic, SA, NSW, WA, births deaths and marriages. These are all free to search simply by typing the state and the wording BDM.
Of course Frederick may have died and she remarried, or she divorced Frederick and remarried or she left and or changed her name, all real possibles. ::)
Neil
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Hi neill,
many thanks for your information and thanks for taking a look, like you say any number of permitations with her,
but will continue to search all possibilities, will send message to archives asking if they can help with all that i know of her,maybe someone will be lucky for me.
many thanks
debbie xxxx
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The Victorian marriage
DOWSE Maria- Birth Place ENG
THOMPSON Fredk -Birth Place NSW
Year 1910
Reg. 6984
Sue
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There was a death registered in Brisbane for a Emily Blow 20th Dec 1906 whose parents were William DOUSE and Emma HILL.
Possibly a sister.
Gerry
Modify: Registered outside of Brisbane, sorry. C3278/1906.
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Emily DOWSE and George BLOW were married in Lincolnshire so I think you are on the money ;D
Debra :)
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Funeral notice 1906 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article53085499
THE Friends of Mr. GEORGE BLOW are respectfully invited to attend
the Funeral of his deceased beloved WIFE, to move from Mrs. Tuck's Residence, Caro-
line-street, off West-street, THIS (FRIDAY) FORENOON, at 11.30 o'clock, for
the Rockhampton Cemetery.
And a possible obit for George BLOW who died in Rockhampton in 1943 ... (long shot ) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56140756
adding : not such a long shot as have been checking the sons' births on Qld BDM and have found matches with mother Emily Douse
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Ship, Beltana,
London to Adelaide. 29/11/1912
George Blow age 34 Tram Conductor.
Wife Mrs Emma Blow age 30.
Residence England. both on same ticket reference.
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1881 Sowerbys Top Farm,Caistor, Lincolnshire
Reference, RG 11, Piece 3275, Folio 27,Page 17.
William and Emma Dowse with 5 children Maria youngest age 3.
Includes,mother in law Elizabeth Hill age 79,born c1802,Pauper upon the Parish, b Swallow,Lincs.
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Looks increasingly likely that Maria Thompson nee Dowse died in 1915.
Theres a death 30 Mar 1915 buried Castlemaine Cemetery ,Campbells Creek,Victoria.
which maybe the correct person. Brionne.
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Hi to you all who have so brilliantly helped me out with my query above.
you are all stars and wonderful people,i will work my way through all your information
and this will help me piece together some interesting facts and lives for my family
Once again i thank you all
Many thanks ;D
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Hi just to let you all know ive already got her sister Emily married to George Blow
Marriage
16 May 1882 • Swallow, Lincolnshire, England
George Blow
(1864–1943)
and her death
Citation Information
Transcript
Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985 View Record Name Emily Blow Death Date 20 Dec 1906 Death Place Queensland Father's Name William Douse Mother's Name Emma Hill Registration Year 1906 Registration Place Queensland Registration Number 003278 Page number 2177
Detail
Australian Death Records.
i do have the following records for emigration.
Emigration
1882 • Queensland, Australia, Passenger Lists, 1848-1912 Immigration & Emigration
Name Geo Blow Birth 1864 Departure Glasgow, Scotland Arrival 4 Sep 1882 - Cooktown - Age: 18,
but as with Maria, nothing other than this as i dont have access to records of whta they did or where they lived, if anyone can please let me have any children and or occupations for them id be most greatful,even maybe having living relatives.
Many thanks once again for all your help
Debbie xxxx ;D
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Looks increasingly likely that Maria Thompson nee Dowse died in 1915.
Theres a death 30 Mar 1915 buried Castlemaine Cemetery ,Campbells Creek,Victoria.
which maybe the correct person. Brionne.
Not the right one.
THOMPSON Maria
Father SMITH Joseph
Mother Mary BENNETT
Age 82
Death Place Cmaine
Year 1915
Reg. 878
Sue
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Hi Sparrett,
many thanks for the info that the possible death given for Maria Dowse/Thompson is incorrect,as her parents are not accurate that you have found.
Many thanks
Debbie :)
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as i dont have access to records of whta they did or where they lived, if anyone can please let me have any children and or occupations for them id be most greatful,even maybe having living relatives.
Many thanks once again for all your help
Debbie xxxx ;D
Deb,
It is easy to access Australian records. Many are freely available. A few require private resources in order to get more detail.
Have a look at the Resources list at the top of the Australian Board to get started.
For instance you can easily find the births and deaths of the children to George BLOW right here
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births
Have a look here for death notices and other sightings.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
Sue
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Hi Debbie,
the BLOW children's births and marriages can be found here https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/ free to search.
Some snippets :
Marriage of a daughter of George and Emily http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article215255524
Her death - sadly she was only 21
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article53897682
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article53881291
Death of son-in-law A.Galloway http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article54282991
One of the son's WW1 service record http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3093854
regards,
Ros
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Hi Aussie,
Many thanks yes your right Emily is the sister of Maria, it seems that emily and her husband george followed Maria down to Australia 5 yrs later,
Many thanks
debbie xxx
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Hi Sparrett and Rosball,
so many thanks for the above links and information for access to the records for me to search the records, i will bookmark them on my computer and set to working on them over the weekend,Many thanks
Debbie xxx :)
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Here is some gossip about the family including mention of George's grandson - near the bottom under heading Dingo
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56138918
This is probably the grandson
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=27971
Death 1977
Harold Joseph George BAUMAN , father Joseph Henry BAUMAN and mother Bertha may BLOW C5131
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A memoriam notice for George BLOW which mentions the grandson and wife
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56300300
And a gossip mentioning their daughter http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article97128648
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Hi.
George Blow with Emily and a still born are buried at the Rockhampton South Cemetery.
http://www.rockhamptonregion.qld.gov.au/Council-Services/Cemeteries/Burial-Indexes
Gerry
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Hi,
The chartered steamer "Scotland" arrived at Keppel Bay on the evening of 14th September 1882 after dropping off passengers at Thursday Island, Cooktown, Townsville, Bowen and Mackay. After unloading the passengers for Rockhampton including George and Emily Blow the steamer "Scotland" went onto Brisbane.
The "Scotland" would have anchored up somewhere in Keppel Bay and the passengers would have been brought up the Fitzroy River by smaller vessels to the Immigration Centre in Rockhampton.
The steamer "Scotland" was a large vessel and overall 582 souls were landed in Queensland Ports including the 3 births and 14 deaths that occurred during the voyage.
For a bit of info.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/19786866
Gerry
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To help me to keep track :), here are the deaths of the BLOW children
1983 Alfred James BLOW, father George Carr BLOW, mother Emily DOWSE 51200
1966 Charles Edward BLOW, father George BLOW, mother Emily DOUSE B79618
1974 George Albert BLOW, father George BLOW, mother Emily DOUESE C5666
1978 Bertha May BAUMAN, father George BROW, mother Emily DOWSE C7050
1975 Martha Elizabeth SKINNER, father George BLOW, mother Emily DOWSE C1190
1959 Lillian Agnes GALLOWAY, father George BLOW, mother Emily DOWSE C977
1975 Emma Ann BAKER, father George BLOW, mother Emily DOUSE C1229
adding:
1918 Annie Louisa BAUMANN, father George BLOW, mother Emily DOWSE C941
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Hi,
George and Emily Blow arrived at the Rockhampton Immigration Centre in September 1882 and by June 1884 the were at Dingo 150 km from Rockhampton.
Queensland horse and cattle brands
George Blow of Dingo, brand identification, G2B, certificate No 22155 issued 13th June 1884.
1900 Queensland State Electoral Roll
The Electoral District of Leichhardt
Rockhampton Division
Blow George, place of abode, 20 gang Dingo, occupation, lengthsman.
George and Emily were residing what appears to be a railway ganger camp at Dingo where George was occupied as a lengthsman.
Gerry
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Hi Aussie,
.....it seems that emily and her husband george followed Maria down to Australia 5 yrs later,
George and Emily married 16 May 1882 and left for Australia very soon after. Maria emigrated 25 years later in 1907. Emily was 14 years older than Maria.
The marriage of George and Emily:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF45-HNY
The immigration record is here with the digitised passenger list:
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/Immigration1848.aspx
Click on the letter 'B' in the 'Search the indexes' section, scroll to find George and Emily then click on the blue link beside the name for the ship Scotland.
Emily had died the year before Maria came to Queensland so perhaps she originally came out to help George with the young children.
Debra :)
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This couple across the ditch in New Zealand might be worth exploring further:
Birth
1912
# 21110
THOMPSON, Minnie Gertrude
Father: Frederick
Mother: Maria
Debra :)
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Another grandson
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=66956
adding : photo and marriage http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57276179 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57276180
some gossip
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57264144
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57265671
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57275231
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Marriage of a BAKER grandson
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75585494
His ww2 service http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=38790
Possibly his brother http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=74730 as mentioned here
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56174538
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Another BAKER grandson marriage (possibly)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article78041761
adding : No can't be ... same parents initials but father is said be dead here and not on later marriage, and different town
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A Bauman granddaughter marriage
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56306681
Husband was a police constable
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article76117453
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56797410
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56813628
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Further to post by Dundee yesterday regarding a birth,,, Thompson Minnie Gertrude,,,,,,,,,,, father Fredk mother Maria, across in NZ.
Here is a possible death for Maria.
Ref,FindMyPast, New Zealand Death Index.
Born 1878.
Death 1952. Age 74, [sorry omitted this important fact]
Reg, 1952/20862.
Obtainable link from record FindMyPast, direct NZ on line.
Brionne.
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NZ BDMs are free to search online:
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/
Ordering printouts:
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/PaymentsAndProducts/
Certificate contents:
Click on Births, Deaths or Marriages in the left hand menu to see what information is included on certificates:
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/
Debra :)
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Hi to Dundee, Rosball, Brionne,and Aussie 1947,who have helped me with my research on my family above and their subsequent families.
I would like to thank you all so very much for the information, links and websites that you have let me have its been extremely enlighting,and i am working my way through them.
It is very interesting reading.
Many thanks once again to you all your all stars.
Debbie :)
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Hi Debbie,
A Skinner grandchild marriage
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article21796765 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article70552527
(John Dixon SKINNER is the only one with those initials in Yeppoon so I think this must be a son of his)
More gossip about him
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article55331680
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57255220
and a photo http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article182591568
later gossip http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57101292
And his brother's marriage http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56200471
His WW2 service summary http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=77925
Here it mentions he will spend a holiday with his brother in Gayndah http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article55952885
(linking 2 together)
adding : Wilfred John SKINNER's death notice http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/archivenotice/2437301/view?random=1454200431748
Clarice May SKINNER's death notice http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/archivenotice/2445317/view?random=1454208632120
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Hi Ros you sent me this link below for the husband of Lilian agnes Blow.
(Death of son-in-law A.Galloway http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article54282991)
I have read through the link for his death along with all the other bits in the paper about him,
i have been able to find he came from the uk 1909 to Australia,in the uk he was a farm labourer,and in one the notices in the above link states a notice from
"Member Of The Royal Victoria Lodge"-(M.U.I.O.O.F),it seems he was member of what we call "Freemasons"
I find this interesting and am trying to look into this via Google.
Many thanks
Debbie xxx