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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: youngtug on Wednesday 03 February 16 03:28 GMT (UK)
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Frederick Goudy was my gtgtgrandfather and I have suddenly been thrown a curve by Elise Masterman, he could have been a bigamist!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730246.0
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Frederick Goudy was born in 1847 in Earl Stoneham, Suffolk.
Although I cannot find a marriage he was living with Laurena Fisher and had two children with her. She died in 1879 at Reading and there is a death registration for Laurina Goudy.
He then married Anna Maria Soffe and they had no children.
A frederick Bryer Goudy married Bathsheba Snasdell in1882.
There is only one Frederick Goudy, according to FreeBMD, borne early enough, and that is the one born in 1847.
A problem,,,,
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I think you need the marriage cert to Bathsheba in 1882 which would give info re Frederick age, occupation etc even if he lied about his marital status.
There is a Frederick Bryer Goudy b 1860 who is listed as emigrating to Amercia about 1889 although no details or image are available, but this could be him in 1900 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMH1-VGT
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It is a possibillty, although that would make him a bigamist also.
I cannot find a birth for a Frederick Bryer Goudy in England though.
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Following Kay99's link, there is the death of Fred. B. Goudy in Bath. Allen.. Ohio.
Date of death; 28-Nov-1934. aged 86 est, dob,;1848.
Place of birth; New Castle. England.
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Thanks for starting a new Thread on this.
I will look into the one that emigrated but my gut feeling is that it is the one who died in Maidenhead in 1920 and who had Arthur G Goudy as his young brother and his son.
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Frederick Goudy b;1848 Suffolk had a brother Alfred Bryant Goudy born about about 1850, he was a tailor.
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I see that the Fred B Goudy in Ohio was also a tailor but he was born in 1860.
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No help here; http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=goudy&GSfn=fred&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=68835954&df=all&
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It is interesting that Frederick born in 1848 who I still think is my man had a brother named Alfred with the middle name of Bryant that is quite close to Bryer if it had been mistranscribed by the clerk it could have been Bryant and not Bryer?
I found another reference to Frederick Goudy junior he was in the newspapers again ( in The Reading Mercury 27 April 1895) for stealing a bag.. his mother is mentioned as a widow at that point...however she may have said this to explain the fact that she was alone. She had another child named Florrie Bathsheba in 1889 who died aged two in 1891 in Reading.. Bathsheba ended up in the workhouse for a while in 1889 with Frederick junior and Florrie but no sign of Arthur and Alice at that point although they are with her in the 1891 Census. My guess is that Bathsheba found out that Frederick was already married and moved to Reading from London around that time, and then Frederick senior moved to London away from her and then to Maidstone. Poor Bathsheba seems to have had a hard life but she kept her children together and had a close relationship with her daughter as she ended up moving to Coventry with her eventually and died there.
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Not sure about mistranscriptions, a lot of the first names used by the Goudy's seem to come in various forms/spellings. Bryer / bryant seems to crop up a few times.
I also am leaning towards your belief that Frederick was a bigamist.
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I don't think he got caught or he would have turned up in the criminal records!
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Pity!
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Mmm,, maybe Alfred could have lied ::) and said his name was Frederick, just a little twist on the truth [Alfred]
He seems to have liked the name Bryant/Briant/ Briar/ Bryer ;=
Alfred Bryant Goudy [Tailor][residence; Slough.] married Lucy Georgina Bayliss [Sp]. [residence; Tetbury.] at Tetbury.1875
Percy Brier Goudy, son of Alfred Brier Goudy, & Lucy Georgina Goudy. Bapt;,,,,, Tetbury. 1877
Percy Briar Goudy, Birth; Tetbury. 1877.
Alfred Bryant Joseph William Goudy, son of Alfred Bryant Goudy. Bapt;10-Sep-1875
Father; Tailor. Uxbridge Moor.
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Passenger and immigration list index. [House of names];
Frederick Dryer Goudy. aged 32. Lands in Indiana, USA. in 1892.
so he was the one born in 1860.
He could have married Bathsheba when he was 22.
Ah well, more to do,,,,,,
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Further to the previous;
Percy Bryer Goudy, 26. married Maud Eliza Cashmere, 25. [Sp].
Father; Frederick Bryer Goudy. [Tailor] & John Cashmere. [Carpenter]
24-Dec-1904. st. Marks. Swindon. Wiltshire.
Looks like Alfred is also known has Frederick, unless I am mistaken.
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Hi Youngtug and Elise,
I also had a ggrandfather who was a serial bigamist, married under at least three different names (that I can find thus far) and was not consistent with details of father or age either, his age could vary as much as 15 years (younger!!). I always thought he must have been an incredibly charming and youthful character to get away with what he did.
The reason I say this is because after having a look at your post, I would be more inclined to believe that the Alfred Brier Goudy who married Lucy Georgina Bayliss is the same as the Frederick Bryer Goudy who then married Bathsheba in 1882.
Frederick 1848 is easily traced throughout every census, always with his family 1851 - 1861, then with Laurina in 1871 (next door to parents) then with with wife Anna Maria through 1881-1911. This then fits perfectly with the death in 1920. There is nothing in those records to indicate he is anything other than he seems.
Alfred on the other hand.....
1851 living with George and Charlotte May as a visitor
1861 boarding at an Inn at Willisham
1871 living with Uncle Robert Barker in Ipswich. He is single at this time.
1881 with brother Frederick and wife Anna Maria.....if not for this census they would probably never be connected. He is married at this time but wife Lucy is in Gloucestershire with their two sons.
Not to be found again in England after this Time.
Lucy still lists herself as married/widowed in censuses up to 1911.
A Frederick Bryer Goudy arrived in America in 1889. Source bibliography: "Naturalization Applications for Montgomery County Indiana 1850-1930" Notes - Gives full details on the persons acquiring citizenship including date of immigration.
It would definitely be worthwhile trying to access this record.
Given that the Frederick Bryer Goudy in Indiana was a tailor, was born in England and his age varies from 1848 (from death certificate) to 1860 on census records, I would seriously consider him as the best candidate for your Alfred.
Jo :)
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Thank you for the information on the emigration, I was thinking along the same lines has you concerning Alfred and Frederick and it probably is Alfred, aka; Frederick being a bigamist.
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Newspaper Reports
The Ipswich Journal October 19 1872
Alfred Bryant Goudy 23 , tailor, was indicted for having on 9th of September, feloniously stolen five yards of cloth, and one yard of quilting , the property of Mr Charles Godball, his late employer. The prisoner was further charged with stealing on 29th July last, three hens and 26 chickens, the property of John Chevallier Cobbold Esq. The prisoner stood further indicted for stealing one hen and three chickens, the property of Mr Wm. Turner.
Mr Simms Reeve appeared for the prosecution the prisoner was undefended.
The prosecuter gave the prisoner an excellent character when he was employed by him.
The cases were not gone into because the prisoner pleaded guilty to two of the three charges against him, and was s entenced to 6 months imprisonment with hard labour.
Reading Mercury February 4, 1888
Reading Borough Magistrates Office
Monday Jan 30
Indecent Behaviour
Frederick Goudy, a respectably dressed gentleman, and Mary Wells an unfortunate, were charged with infringing the by laws of the town by indecent conduct in the Forbury Road on Saturday night P.c Harry James proved the case, and the male defendant was sent to prison for 7 days hard labour, and the female 14 days hard labour.
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Thanks kd. Now which one was which.
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You have probably already clocked this but both Frederick and Alfred have the diminutive 'Fred' so probably fairly easy to interchange the names.
Pheno