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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: cadman342001 on Wednesday 03 February 16 14:37 GMT (UK)
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I'm wondering if anyone has any information regarding my ancestor(s)
I believe Hugh was born in Liverpool and was a baker, and built Ty Gywn outside Llanddaniel Fab, married Mary Hughes (1835-) from Newborough.
They had daughters Ellen (1862), Mary (1864), Maggie (1866), Laura (1868) and 2 sons Hugh (1870-) and Rowland J (1874-1896).
Hugh (1870-) married a Mary E Evans (1874) from Llanddona who died in childbirth after giving him 2 daughters Mary (Minnie) 1902 and Elizabeth 1903. He then married her elder sister Kate (1866) but had no further children. My ancestor was Elizabeth (1859), a sister of Mary E and Kate with another sister Martha and a brother John.
Keen to find out about Hugh Snr before he went to Anglesey and get a link back to Llanddona.
Cheers :)
Andy in Cairns Australia
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Hi Andy,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Is this correct?
Hugh (1870-) married a Mary E Evans (1874) from Llanddona ...
From what I've found it seems that Mary Ellen's surname is Williams?
A Mary Pritchard's birth was registered as 9 Jul 1901 at Llanddaniel-fab, the daughter of Hugh Pritchard and Mary Ellen Williams and an Elizabeth Pritchard was registered 18 Feb 1903 with the same details.
Mary Ellen Williams married Hugh Pritchard in a civil ceremony at Bangor (FreeBMD Dec 1900 11b 903) and Catherine Williams married Hugh Pritchard, again in a civil ceremony at Bangor in 1911 (Mar 11b 536).
If I'm correct her birth was registered as 2 May 1872 at Llanddona, the daughter of Owen Williams and Elizabeth (nee) Williams.
Other children of the same parents, all born Llanddona, were:
Catherine - 1 Apr 1866; Martha - 31 Oct 1878; Ann - 11 Feb 1864; Elizabeth - 9 Apr 1859; Hannah - 18 Jan 1876; Hugh - 8 Jun 1861; John - 13 Jan 1857; Owen - 21 Jul 1854; Robert - 7 Jul 1869.
There was a marriage 11 Nov 1851 at Llanddona Church between Owen Williams, full age, miller of Llanddona Mill, son of Owen Williams, miller and Elizabeth Williams, minor, of Llanddona Mill, dau. of Hugh Williams, farmer.
I can't help with the birth in Liverpool of Hugh Pritchard (Snr).
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Hi dragon, thanks ! I had found the Williams, living at "Bryn dona" but when I asked my mum she said no their surname was Evans. Not sure where she got that from apart from the relative still living at Ty Gwyn.
(I had no luck with Evans at all.)
seems a little odd that they (Hugh and Mary then Catherine) would choose a civil ceremony ?
Andy
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Hello Andy,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Hugh's marriage was on 23 May 1860 at Llanddaniel Fab Church - Hugh Pritchard, Farmer Ty Gwyn, son of Hugh Pritchard, married Mary Hughes, Carregddyfnallt, daughter of Rowland Hughes, Farmer.
The children's birth dates are -
Ellin 7/4/1861; Mary Jane 23/11/1863; Laura 21/2/1868; Rowland John 7/11/1873 (these all shown as Pritchard)
Hugh 21/3/1870; Margaret 4/11/1865 (shown as Prichard)
There were 2 other children who died in infancy - Emma Pritchard 9/3/1872 - 7/7/1872 and Hugh Prichard 2/11/1862 - 30/12/1862
Hugh's wife Mary died on 27/9/1874 age 39.
I can see the family "Pritchard" in 1881 and in 1871 as "Prichard" - do you have the census details?
Currently struggling to see them in 1861 after their 1860 marriage.
Rowland Hughes and family are at Carregddyfnallt in the 1851 census.
Hope these details help
Alan
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Hi,
Some more details -
I have found in the 1851 census Hugh Prichard from Amlwch, age 65 (living in the parish of Llangeinwen) living with his son Hugh 20 (born Liverpool) and daughter Margaret age 28 (also born Liverpool). I am fairly certain this is the family you are looking for as I have the memorial inscriptions booklet from Gwynedd FHS and there is a grave in Dwyran Chapel (plot 312) which says
Sacred to the memory of Hugh Pritchard Bryntirion in this parish who died Dec 5th 1862 age 77. Also of Rowland John youngest son of Hugh and Mary Pritchard who died August 22 1896 age 22 years. Also of Mary wife of Hugh Pritchard Ty Gwyn, Llanddaniel who died Sept 27th 1874 age 40. Also of the above named Hugh Pritchard born March 27th 1831 died March 25th 1899. In memory of Hugh son of Hugh and Mary Pritchard Ty Gwyn in the parish of Llanddaniel-fab who died Dec 30th 1862 age 2 months. Also Emma daughter of above named , she died 6 July 1872 age 4 months.
"Fy nyddiau sydd fel cyagod yn/cilio, a minnau fel glaswelltyn a wywais" . PS.CII.II
I don't speak Welsh to be able to translate the inscription but I am sure others will be able to do so.
I am sure this will give you something more to build on, and will see if I can find Hugh Prichard in Amlwch.
Alan
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Hi,
Another piece of the puzzle,
1861 census at Bryntirion, Llangeinwen -
Hugh Pritchard Age74 Retired Baker, Landed Proprietor
Margaret Pritchard Age 37 Daughter born Liverpool
Robert Owen Grandson Age 12 - born Birkenhead
Alan
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You're on fire Alan ! :D
I kept seeing Pritchards from Amlwch with similar details / names but discounted it as I was told Hugh the baker was from Liverpool.
Thanks for you good work......so far !
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Hi Andy,
Looking again at Mary E. Evans (1874) from Llanddona are you convinced that Evans is correct? Do you have evidence from your ancestor Elizabeth (1859)? Was she married with maiden name Evans, and who did she marry?
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That was a bum steer from my mum, no def. Williams.
They lived in Bryn dona in llanddona, it is the house that was associated with the mill (now demolished), and ties in with the millers. I think the confusion came about because youngest daughter Martha married a Thomas Evans and they ended up living at Bryn dona with the mother when widowed (Elizabeth)
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Elizabeth (1859) married an Evan Jones from Abergele, pretty sure now she was a Williams. She was my mum's great grandmother and the person of most interest to her.
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Hi,
The 1841 census for Bryntirion, Llangeinwen only shows Hugh (Senior) with Hugh and Margaret, so it seems Hugh's wife must have died prior to that date. Ancestry has transcribed the surname as Punchard
There is a marriage of his other daughter Emma to an Owen Owens (occupation Baker) in Llanbeblig, Caernarvon on 17 Dec 1840 who are the grandson Robert Owen(s) parents. The copy marriage certificate and family tree for Emma are on Ancestry.
I can't see the birth of Hugh nor Emma in Liverpool but there is a possible birth for Margaret on familysearch.org for 21 April 1825 with parents Hugh and Anne.
It may be coincidence but there is the death of an Anne Prichard who died age 37 on 3 Sept 1836 - could this possibly be Hugh's wife?
Alan
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Hi,
In case you were wondering - the death I mentioned of Anne was in the parish of Amlwch.
I have also found the deaths of Hugh's sister Emma Owen on 14/6/1899 age 78 at Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog and of Margaret Pritchard age 72 on 6 April 1895 at Church Terrace Llanddaniel-fab.
Alan
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Looking further at Owen Williams and Elizabeth Williams, parents of Elizabeth (1859) etc, they were living at Pen Bryn Dona, Llanddona in the 1851 census, before their marriage:
William Williams, head, 66, farmer, b. Llanynghenedl
Martha Williams, wife, 45, b. Llanallgo
Elizabeth Williams, granddaughter (described as grandwoman), 18, House Serv., b. Llanddona
John Williams, grandson, 8, Bangor.
Owen Williams, Miller Serv., b. Pentraeth (his age looks like 35, it is transcribed by Ancestry as 2, I think 25 is closer to being correct, judging from later censuses and his age at death.)
Owen Williams died 6 Oct 1887, age 62, at Penbryn Dona, miller. Informant Hugh Williams, son.
Elizabeth is also living with her grandparents at Penbryn Dona in the 1841 census.
I think I have found Elizabeth's family. There is a baptism for an Elizabeth, dau of Hugh Williams and Elizabeth, farmer of Hafod y Rhyg at Llanddona parish Church on 24 Aug 1834.
Her siblings were baptised there as follows (all Hugh Williams & Elizabeth, Hafod y Rhyg):
Mary 25 Dec 1830; Anne 21 Feb 1836; Catherine 15 Oct 1837; William 7 Apr 1839; John 27 Sep 1840; Ellen 5 Oct 1842, Hugh 15 Sep 1844.
This family with their older children can be seen in the 1841 census at Hafod y Rhyg, Llanddona (on the next page from Pen Bryn Dona).
I can find some deaths registered at Hafod y Rhyg, spelt variously:
Hugh Williams, 78, 22 Nov 1885, farmer. Informant William Williams, son.
Elizabeth Williams, 81, 8 May 1892, widow of farmer Hugh Williams. Informant Hugh Williams, son.
John Williams, 37, 22 May 1878, joiner. Informant Hugh Williams, father.
Hannah Williams, 64, 25 Sep 1910, daughter of farmer Hugh Williams. Informant Hugh Jones.
I can't find the marriage between Hugh Williams and Elizabeth Williams.
I'll see what else I can find about Owen Williams (father of Elizabeth b. 1859).
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Owen Williams was the son of Owen Williams, miller of Pentraeth and his wife Ann (Jones). He was baptised at Pentraeth church, as were some of his siblings:
Owen, 12 May 1826, son of Owen & Ann Williams, Orsedd, Miller.
William, 9 May 1824, son of Owen & Ann Williams, Orsedd, Miller.
Robert, 9 May 1828, son of Owen & Anne Williams, Orsedd, Miller.
Ann, 25 Dec 1830, dau. of Owen & Ann Williams, Cefn Hir, Miller.
In the 1841 census, at Wind Mill, Pentraeth (actually Wint Mill) there are also two other siblings - Joseph (7) and Jane (15, but it looks as if originally it was 18).
Joseph was christened at the Elim CM Chapel, Pentraeth on 27 Jul 1833, Anne's maiden name is shown as Jones. (Ancestry & FamilySearch).
Ann Williams died aged 51 on 9 Jan 1845 at Pentraeth, wife of miller Owen Williams, who was the informant.
Perhaps this is the registration of Owen Williams' death - on 11 Feb 1856, aged 66, at Union Mill, Llanfihangel Ysgeifiog, miller. Informant Joseph Williams.
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Thank you so much.
I've been adding all these extra williams's, owens, pritchards, on family tree on ancestry.com and getting very confused at times !
Any news on Hugh P (1785-1862) and family originating in Amlwch ?
I found a Hugh P in various Liverpool trade directories around 1828-1837 a biscuit and ship's bread maker with a shop at 1 New Quay or 22 Bath Street Liverpool (essentially the same address I think) but couldn't find his home address (unless he lived over the shop which is possible I suppose)
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Have asked on the Lancashire board for info about his time in Liverpool
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Hello,
I have just strayed here from your Lancashire post.
Do you have Hugh snr's probate details?
Heywood
Added: just reread this. I have referred to Hugh snr but now think you mean the one born 1831 whereas I mean the one born 1785 !
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or the one born 1870 ? :D
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Anyways, yes I have the probate record for Hugh 1785-1862 on ancestry
Is this what you mean or the actual entry text?
Name: Hugh Pritchard
Probate Date: 27 Jan 1863
Registry: Bangor
Death Date: 5 Dec 1862
Death Place: Anglesey, Staffordshire, England
Ignore the staffordshire bit, no idea why it says that
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Those are the details yes. The entry just says that son Hugh is the sole executor and the sum of the estate. Rosie mentions it in the other thread.