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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Greenwood Greats on Thursday 04 February 16 10:25 GMT (UK)
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Good morning all
I am struggling to find any burials for my Greenwood family and I feel sure a couple of them died young as I cannot find them on any census
They were all baptized at South Parade Wesleyan, Halifax - parents Jonathan & Sarah (Sally) Greenwood
James Sutcliffe Greenwood bap. 16 Oct 1790
James Greenwood bap. 4 Aug 1792
Richard Greenwood bap. 11 May 1794
Mary Greenwood bap. 29 April 1803
Benjamin Greenwood bap 25 Nov 1808
I cannot find their deaths on Ancestry or Family Search and wondered if South Parade Wesleyan burials were listed elsewhere?
Any help much appreciated
Regards
Marilyn Greenwood
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Hi Marilyn
I'm not sure if these are the Greenwood's you're looking for, but in the Warley Independent Registers on Ancestry there is a burial of Sarah Greenwood of Rools (or Roils) Head on 22 July 1810.
In the same register I've also found 22 August 1803 A child of Jonathan Greenwood of Roils Head
and January 1799 A child of Jonathan Greenwood.
If this is the right family, the Warley registers make interesting reading.
I'm not sure if the burials were actually at the chapel. According to this website http://halifaxandus.co.uk/burials/ most burials would have been at Luddenden St Mary's.
Sandra
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Good evening Sandra
Yes these are from my family - I have spent many hours reading the Warley Independent registers and I did find Sarah's burial and also several "telling offs" which Sarah had from the local minister in the registers - I don't think he liked her very much! I did find the 1803 child from Roils head but I missed the January 1799 - so many thanks for that.
I shall keep looking they may turn up one of these days!
Many thanks for your help - much appreciated
regards
Marilyn
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There are a heck of a lot of Greenwoods parked in Heptonstall's graveyards, if that's any use?
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South Parade Wesleyan burials are on The Genealogist up to 1837. I don't see them anywhere after that, which is a shame as I have a couple I feel sure were buried there.
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There are a heck of a lot of Greenwoods parked in Heptonstall's graveyards, if that's any use?
I just had a look through an online pdf of Hebden Bridge burial records, by the local history society. It seems to refer to mostly late nineteenth to early twentieth centuries, a later time period than I am looking for, and I am not sure if it includes Non-Conformists, (Methodist Chapel?).
I too was trying to find out about Non-Conformist burials for Greenwoods in the Hebden Bridge area, around the early nineteenth century and before. Specifically Thomas Greenwood, born 1819 in Hebden Bridge, these may be his parents "Thomas son of Thomas Greenwood and Ann his wife was born at Hebden Bridge in the township of Heptonstall parish of Halifax, 18th May 1819 and registered 1st June" according to the Non-Conformist register, but I was told that his father was Henry Greenwood, though that may refer to his father's father.
The Thomas Greenwood, born 1819 Hebden Bridge that I am looking for moved at some point to Hulme, Manchester where he had children with Bridget Ward, born 1823 Ireland. He may have at some point moved back to Hebden Bridge, with his wife Bridget, and maybe other children were born there too?
I was wondering how to trace Greenwoods in Methodist graveyards in this area. There are plenty of Greenwoods, but you seem to get swamped with those from later than the mid nineteenth century.
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The Heptonstall records are good on Ancestry, and are Non-conformist (Baptist) Chapels with LOADS of Greenwoods, element4. But, I seem to recall, a year or two back, when I was hunting for some early 19th C. Greenwoods for a friend - they were not fully indexed, I found more details by browsing around them online and looking at the images, rather than the index, and you may find it worthwhile having a look. Malcolm Bull's Calderdale companion way well result in some leads, too.
Heptonstall, up on the tops, was apparently rather more important than the valley settlements at one time.
I'll have a look and see if a Greenwood pops up who might fit your dates. Then I'll get back to you.
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There's a Thomas Greenwood of about the right age for you, element4, buried at Birchcliffe on 17th Sept 1877, aged 58, of that's any help?
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Marilyn, there are loads of Heptonstall Jonathon Greenwood marriages to a Sarah/Sally:
25 Dec 1768 M Sally sunderland
4 Nov 1781 M Sally Dawson
15 July 1804 M Sally Helliwell
15 Oct 1809 M Sally Sutcliffe
etc....
I was feeling Sally Sutcliffe was a strong contender, because o the first son having the middle name of Sutcliffe - very often seen in the area - and I'd noted Benjamin's birth date of 1808 - then I looked and the other children were a lot older. I'll keep on hunting....
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Ahah!Just found a marriage (wrongly indexed as Green, not Greenwood) but quite clearly, in the scan of the original entry, for a Jonathan Greenwood of Midgley to - a Sarah Sutcliffe on 16th August 1789! That does sound a likely one to me. It's at St John the Baptist, Halifax, where I've found quite a lot of Heptonstall / Shore based Greenwoods married. Is that any help?
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... and that Jonathon Greenwood may have been the one bap at Heptonstall Jan 1767, and the same chap who was buried 15th Jan 1836 at St Mary's Luddenden?
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There's a Thomas Greenwood of about the right age for you, element4, buried at Birchcliffe on 17th Sept 1877, aged 58, of that's any help?
Thanks. I am really struggling with Thomas Greenwood. He married Bridget Ward, the record is under Manchester marriages, and that gives his father's name as Henry Greenwood. The 1851 census shows Thomas Greenwood, birth about 1819 in Hebden Bridge, spouse Bridget and son Hiram [James W], living in Manchester. So that baptism record for May 1819 in Hebden Bridge showing mother Ann and father Thomas probably isn't him. He may have died in Manchester.
Edit: I remembered that my grandfather had been brought up as a Catholic. His mother had been born in Ireland, and his father's mother (Bridget, wife of Thomas) had been born in Ireland. So it is likely that Thomas was baptised in Hebden Bridge Non-Conformist or Anglican, but married and buried, probably in Manchester, by the Catholic church.
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Ah, sorry no use. I'll pop back into the pc and see if there's anything useful I can find you.
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Just a question or two:
Did Bridget die quite young? And Thomas re-marry?
Did Thomas emigrate? And possibly re-marry?
- because (and I know this isn't any promise of veracity) there are several online trees that seem to send him off to the antipodes, and a marriage there....
I can't find an 1861 census ... yet....
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Just a question or two:
Did Bridget die quite young? And Thomas re-marry?
Did Thomas emigrate? And possibly re-marry?
- because (and I know this isn't any promise of veracity) there are several online trees that seem to send him off to the antipodes, and a marriage there....
I can't find an 1861 census ... yet....
After the birth of my great grandfather Hiram Greenwood in 1846 in Hulme, and a possible younger brother James W (although Hiram is listed as "James Hiram" on the 1871 census), and the 1851 census showing Thomas Greenwood age 32, Bridget age 28, Hiram 4 and James W 3, and Betsy Ward 23 and John Ward 14 living in the parish of St Marks, Hulme,Chorlton.......after the 1851 census Thomas and Bridget both seem to totally disappear.
Hiram was baptised 25th October 1846 Cathedral Manchester. I don't know whether Cathedral refers to the area of Manchester, or the church where he was baptised, but because his mother was Irish it was probably in a Catholic church.
I just found something today that might be Thomas Greenwood, Hiram's father. The 1871 census has a Thomas Greenwood, age 52, born about 1819 in "Hepden" (sic) Bridge, Yorkshire, living in Manchester, ecclesiastical parish "Cathedral", sub-registration district Market Street, with Anne Greenwood, age 40, and three other people. Thomas and Anne Greenwood are shown as lodgers, Anne was born in Manchester. The Head is Elizabeth Hamilton, age 60, shopkeeper. Thomas Greenwood's job is listed as "Card Dealer". The census area is "Collegiate", Manchester, and the address is 63 Long Millgate
The 1871 census shows Hiram and Mary Ann Greenwood living in the parish of St Stephan, civil parish of Salford. I find it significant that Hiram gives his place of birth as Manchester, but the place of birth of his two daughters Rebecca and Mary Ellen as Salford. (Mary Ann was born in Dublin, Ireland).
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there are several online trees that seem to send him off to the antipodes, and a marriage there....
I was looking through some online trees on Ancestry today and couldn't find any that looked as though they could be the Thomas Greenwood I am looking for. Then I looked for trees for his son Hiram Greenwood, and couldn't find any that didn't end with Thomas and Bridget Greenwood, with very little information about them.
Maybe I missed what you were looking at because I just looked at the name of the spouse, and if it wasn't Bridget I assumed it was the wrong one.
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The other definitely accurate information I have about Thomas Greenwood is his marriage to Bridget Ward on 29th June 1846, in Manchester at the church of St Mary, St Denys and St George, which shows his father's name as Henry Greenwood, a Carder, and her father as James Ward, a labourer. The marriage certificate gives Thomas' job as "Marine Store Keeper", and both Thomas and Bridget were living at 30 Angel Street at the time of the marriage.
As their son Hiram was baptised on 25th October 1846 at St Mary, St Denys and St George, Bridget was five months pregnant at the time of marriage. I looked up this church and it seems to be just the local church, so maybe the Catholic church wouldn't marry them?
Very odd that Thomas and Bridget are untraceable after the 1851 census, and that they only seem to have had at most two children, at a time when most families had eight or nine. If Bridget had gone back to Ireland, that could explain her disappearance.
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They were all baptized at South Parade Wesleyan, Halifax - parents Jonathan & Sarah (Sally) Greenwood
This is a long shot, but in my researches a while ago I remember finding a Greenwood marrying a Sally or Sarah Wrigley. It was an early church record, so 1700's. Probably something I found on the IGI.
This might not be your Jonathan and Sarah/Sally, and maybe you already have their records.
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... and that Jonathon Greenwood may have been the one bap at Heptonstall Jan 1767, and the same chap who was buried 15th Jan 1836 at St Mary's Luddenden?
Out of curiosity, was his wife's maiden name Sally or Sarah Wrigley?
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I have Greenwood / Nowell family and my x3 Great grandma Sarah Newel ( Nowell) nee Greenwood was buried at South Parade Chapel until the railways bought the land to further expand goods yards etc, then the graves & occupants were removed and move to Stoney Royd Cemetery, Siddal, i believe.
Sarah Greenwood born 1816, married Thomas Newel in 1838. Sarah Died in 1862. Son William Nowell. Try query at Stoney Royd as they may have the whereabouts of the removed graves. Good luck.