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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: bronnie on Sunday 07 February 16 22:10 GMT (UK)
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Michael Hughes born 2nd September 1825 in Anglesey to William Hughes and Jane (nee Luke)
There is a record of this in the Eng and Wales Non Conformist Registers on Ancestry. Can anyone clarify the place of birth on Anglesey, which is indistinct?
I have a marriage for a Michael Hughes and a Ruth Brereton from Pentraeth in Bangor in 1860 and subsequent sightings of same Ruth Hughes in 1861 and then in 1871 with son William. However I can't find Michael Hughes (apart from a poss sighting on board ship) in 1881. I can't find his parents in 1841 either. If anyone has time to look, it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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When did his parents die - pre or post 1841?
When were they born? The 1841 has 35 entries for the name William Hughes in Anglesey all old enough to have had a son in 1825 - born 1790-1800
What was Michael's occupation on the 1860 marriage cert and what was William's?
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Ancestry have it transcibed as Llanfair Y Mathafarn Eithaf, which is on Genuki as this
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/LlanfairMathafarnEithaf
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Thank you both. . I was too busy focusing on the entry to think about the transcription. I have just found all this tonight, having re subscribed to Ancestry after a much needed break. Ordering the marriage Cert is the next step I think.
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Hi,
If you have a look at the familysearch.org web site for Jane Luke it will show a marriage with William Hughes at Llandegfan on 25 June 1811. It will also show 2 potential baptism of a Jane Luke in 1799 or 1767 neither of which seem to fit the marriage details.
There are 2 children showing -
Ellin born 17 July 1814 at Llanbedr Gogh
Joseph on 25 June 1820 at Llanfair Mathafarn Eithaf.
The marriage details say William was from the parish of Llanbedr Gogh and Jane from Llandyfrydog.
If you look also at just the surname you will see other potential family members you may want to look into.
Alan
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Thank you very much. Very helpful, much appreciated.
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Hi,
Just been looking at the parents William and Jane Hughes who I can find in 1851/6//71 censuses aged 69/79/89 and 61/71/81 respectively - have you theses details?
I also think I found them in 1841 in Llanddyfnan showing as aged 55 and 50 respectively with an Elizabeth age 12 and Owen age 7.
In 1851 their son Joseph is at home - have you looked into this line?
There is a possible death for William at Llanddyfnan age 90 on 3 April 1872 - informant Mary Catherine Jones - does this tie in with what you have already found?
There seem to be several possible options for Jane's death but the most likely seems to be at Llanddona age 84 on 27 Feb 1873 with the informant being an Elizabeth Hughes - this lady could be Joseph's wife (I think he married in 1865 to a Elizabeth Lewis who had been widowed (original name was Jones). However, this is by no means certain and may need further investigation.
Hope these details help.
Alan
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Thanks, Alan. I am awaiting marriage cert for Ruth and Michael Hughes. Ruth is on 1871 census as mother to William Hughes b1867 and possibly my great granddad.
Digging back in to the family of Michael in case anything relevant cropped up. Nothing so far that strikes a chord.
I found a death for Ruth Hughes of the right age in Anglesey in 1876 and wondered whether William might have shown up with the father's family, but apparently not.
Appreciate your input. Hopefully the marriage cert will give a further lead :)
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Hi,
If you are looking at the death of Ruth Hughes who was aged 50 - this was on 12/12/1876 at Llanallgo and she was the daughter of a deceased boatman Richard Hughes.
Doesn't look to be connected.
Alan
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Ah! Thank you , that's useful. Is that from Parish Registers? I haven't really used those very much in my searches. I will check if she maybe remarried between 1871 and 1881.
My main aim is to find a link between my gt godfather in 1891 and his past.
Thanks again appreciate your expertise.
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Looking for Ruth Hughes, ( nee Brereton), wife of Michael Hughes , born Pentraeth 1827 , She is in the Pentraeth area until 1851. Married Michael in 1860, then living in Bangor 1861 and 1871. Her mother was originally from Manchester.
Can't find her in 1881 census.
There is one local death, discounted previously by Alan as the wrong person. I can only find one other death of a Ruth Hughes of the right age in Ulverston in 1874, which I need to track.
Can't find a remarriage in the 1871-1881 period either.
A bit stumped as to where she is otherwise!
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Hi,
Still looking but having no success with Ruth. Would there be any reason for her to be in Ulverston - it is quite a distance from Bangor.
However regarding her parents -
Henry (name shown as Brerton) died age 62 at Quay, Red Wharf, Anglesey on 19 July 1850 and Margaret Brereton age 69 at Ty Uchaf, Pentraeth, Anglesey on 8 Nov 1871. The informant for Margaret's death was Ruth Hughes. So this seems to fit.
Will look again for Ruth but am not hopeful. Do you know when her husband died - have you found him in the censuses and is he shown as a widower?
Alan
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Hi Alan
Thank you again!
I also note in 1851, Ruth and her mother appear at the Quay Inn, with her mother as publican. The name has been mis-transcribed as 'Bruton' instead of Brereton.
Re The Ruth Hughes death in Ulverston, I can see no reason at present why she should be there.
I have had an exciting find though. I had eliminated many William Hughes b1866-67 in Bangor. My 2 main contenders are:
1871 Aforementioned Ruth Hughes and son William aged 5 in Hill Street, Bangor ................couldn't find them in 1881
1881 Ellen Hughes (born Pwllheli c1832) of Vron Lodge Bangor and her son William aged 15 apprentice joiner...................couldn't find them in 1871.
Checking remarriages for Michael Hughes on FreeBMD, I discovered a marriage for Michael Hughes to Ellen Jenkins 9/12/1878 in Bangor. Checking Ellen Jenkins in 1871, I found she was unmarried and living at Vron Lodge, Bangor with her niece. In 1881 she was still at Vron Lodge as Ellen Hughes, married with a (step) son, William, age 15. By 1891, Ellen was shown as a widow, living alone. There is a Michael Hughes death in Bangor in the first quarter of 1882. Michael (as a married man) is missing from Census Returns. I am expecting the marriage cert to show him as a mariner??
Ruth could therefore have died, between April 1871 and December 1878.
Of course, I still haven't tied this in to my gt grandfather in 1891, but it is looking more promising and at least I can feel a bit more confident about getting a birth cert for William Hughes and hopefully find a link across to 1891 onwards. The fact that his grandparents and parents were possibly dead by the time he was 16 and that he was not brought up with siblings, strongly fit the fact that the William Hughes I know from 1891 had no links to his side of the family, after he moved to Blaenau Ffestiniog.
Your help is very encouraging and much appreciated. Cheers!
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Hi,
Very interesting development - it looks like you may be on the way to solving this.
Some more details -
Henry Brereton married Margaret Roberts on 14 Feb 1823. At the time he was a widower and both were from Pentraeth.
His first marriage was to Ann Jones on 9 April 1813 also from Pentraeth. It looks like she died shortly into their marriage, on 12 Oct 1814 aged just 24 (named as Ann Jones).
Two possible christenings for Margaret Roberts in Manchester for 1802 on familysearch.org but probably the most likely is with the mother Elizabeth which was the name given to Henry and Margaret's first child.
Alan
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After some input from a poster on the Ulverston, Lancs Board, I have bitten the bullet and ordered the Ruth Hughes Ulverston Death Cert too. That's my quota of certs for the time being! .
I do feel like some progress has been made these last few days. Whether it's in the right direction remains to be seen! Thanks for your interest, much appreciated and encouraging. I will update you on the outcomes.
Bronwen
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The marriage Cert has arrived and it appears I had the wrong Michael Hughes. The actual one was born 1822, father Hugh Hughes.
Marriage 30th October 1860 at the Register Office Bangor.
Michael Hughes, age38, Bachelor, Mariner, of High Street, Bangor, Father Hugh Hughes,Mariner
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Ruth Brereton, age 34, Spinster, no occupation mentioned, of High Street, Bangor, Father Henry Brereton, Farmer,
Witnesses William Pritchard and Elizabeth Owen
Trying to locate his parents now!
I found a baptism for Michael Hughes in 1822 Llanbedrgoch, parents Hugh Hughes and mother surname Ellis.
Marriage in Aberdaron September 1817 for Hugh Hughes and Elizabeth Elis
Elizabeth Hughes with Hugh Hughes, Mariner, born Beaumaris and younger children on census in Bangor 1841-1871.
Ruth Hughes , wife of mariner Michael is living with an Ann Ellis (of Amlwch) in Bangor in 1861 (coincidence or a member of her mother in law's family?)
This is the best match I've found, although my search skills are not the greatest!!
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Could this be his baptism?
Michael Hughes
Baptism : 21 Apr 1822
Llanbedr-Gogh,Anglesey,Wales
Father: Hugh Hughes
Mother: Ellis
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I've just added a bit to my previous post. Your post confirms what I found. Thanks!
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Looks a good match to me.
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Hi,
Looks like success. Marriage on 9 Sept 1817 at Aberdaron, Caernarvonshire and freereg.org.uk is showing it as well as Elizabeth Ellis's baptism on 8 July 1798 at Llanaelhaearn - parents Owen and Jane Ellis.
Alan
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Death Cert for Ruth Hughes died Dalton, Ulverstone 1874 received, described as wife of Michael Hughes Seaman. The informant was a Hugh Hughes present at the death of Dalton in Furness. She died at his house of cancer.
Earlier census 1871 showed Hugh Hughes the informant was born in the same village as Ruth, Pentraeth. Imagine she must have been visiting or staying with him. Laid to rest a long way from home 🙁