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Title: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: eadaoin on Friday 12 February 16 23:41 GMT (UK)
I spent a small fortune recently on five Certs from the GRO.
I've just finished entering postems for these into the FreeBMD site .

Just think, if we all entered the details of all our Certs, there'd be a huge volume of extra information available.

See also this old thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=629737.0

regards eadaoin
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 13 February 16 02:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Eadaoin, for bringing this up. This should become a sticky perhaps, to remind all Rootschatters to do this with their certificates.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Beeonthebay on Saturday 13 February 16 08:05 GMT (UK)
I didn't even know you could do this!!  In fact I don't even know what a postem is!!!  ::)

I am very cautious about buying certificates and really only buy them when all else fails and then only if I am completely stuck, it's such an expensive business hence why I volunteered for FreeReg the past couple of weeks, I've had help from people on different forums with look ups in record offices, etc. so am "paying it forward" as they say.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 13 February 16 08:17 GMT (UK)
I often suggest on here when people are posting information from their unwanted certificates that they put the information on freebmd as a postem.  :)

I didn't even know you could do this!!  In fact I don't even know what a postem is!!!  ::)

When you search on freebmd and get up a record if you click the spectacles alongside the entry this appears above 'view the original image'  -  You may add a postem to this entry .  Click this and  you can add the details.  ;D

Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 13 February 16 08:23 GMT (UK)
Beeonthebay - Just as an example take a look at this record.  There is an envelope alongside the index just click it.
Marriage Dec qtr 1904   
Emily Ritchings   
Haslingden    8e   281
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Beeonthebay on Saturday 13 February 16 08:42 GMT (UK)
Beeonthebay - Just as an example take a look at this record.  There is an envelope alongside the index just click it.
Marriage Dec qtr 1904   
Emily Ritchings   
Haslingden    8e   281

Well I never!!!  I didn't even know this existed!!  I can see the typed up very useful information but when I tried to open up an actual scan nothing happened with either link even though I did different formats.  Should I be seeing a copy of a parish register or an actual marriage certificate or am I missing the point here?   ::)
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: jbml on Saturday 13 February 16 08:48 GMT (UK)
This DEFINITELY needs to be made sticky.

Only recently, I was wondering how viable it would be to create a site where people could record the information from the certificates they had bought (wanted AND unwanted) to save others the expense of buying certificates which turned out not to be irrelevant.

If it's already there ... we need to start using it ... and encourage everyone in our community to do so. The more of us do it, the more useful it will be ... a bit like that project to decipher the quarter million papyrus fragments found in 1930!
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: silvery on Saturday 13 February 16 09:05 GMT (UK)
Beeonthebay - Just as an example take a look at this record.  There is an envelope alongside the index just click it.
Marriage Dec qtr 1904   
Emily Ritchings   
Haslingden    8e   281

Well I never!!!  I didn't even know this existed!!  I can see the typed up very useful information but when I tried to open up an actual scan nothing happened with either link even though I did different formats.  Should I be seeing a copy of a parish register or an actual marriage certificate or am I missing the point here?   ::)

The scan is to view the original entry in the register not anything from the person who posted the postem information.   
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: clairec666 on Saturday 13 February 16 09:17 GMT (UK)
It's a great idea - I've done it for a couple of my certificates,  and will make the effort to do the rest :) Particularly for deaths pre-1866 where the age wasn't recorded  in the index - it's so hard to know whether you've got the right record so if everyone added post-ems it would benefit us all.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Ayashi on Saturday 13 February 16 09:40 GMT (UK)
I did this with a lot of my Carmarthen Joneses... I didn't know if it was ok to basically transcribe the cert so I think a lot of them just clarified if they were the right person, like "Ann Jones wife of Henry died aged 50 in Place" or whatever.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 13 February 16 10:23 GMT (UK)
Beeonthebay - Just as an example take a look at this record.  There is an envelope alongside the index just click it.
Marriage Dec qtr 1904   
Emily Ritchings   
Haslingden    8e   281

Well I never!!!  I didn't even know this existed!!  I can see the typed up very useful information but when I tried to open up an actual scan nothing happened with either link even though I did different formats.  Should I be seeing a copy of a parish register or an actual marriage certificate or am I missing the point here?   ::)

Silvery is correct there is nothing else that you can see other than what has been put on the postem.  The scan is what you should be checking against before ordering a certificate or if you think there is a transcription error as it is a copy of the GRO index.  You can also report transcription errors on this site.

The example I gave you also shows on the entry for her husband James Frederick Wilkinson  ;)  You can if you like leave an email address if you are hoping someone may contact you, personally I don't.

Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Beeonthebay on Saturday 13 February 16 10:30 GMT (UK)
I am definitely going to be doing this, nothing more frustrating than having many deaths for instance all in the same time period with common names.

jbml is right this needs to be made into a sticky, until today I had never even heard of it, what a great idea!!!
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: sunflower on Saturday 13 February 16 12:39 GMT (UK)
I've done all my certificates since I read Rosie's note a few years ago.  I wish everyone would do it.
It would save a lot of time and money.

Carol
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Beeonthebay on Saturday 13 February 16 12:45 GMT (UK)
Beeonthebay - Just as an example take a look at this record.  There is an envelope alongside the index just click it.
Marriage Dec qtr 1904   
Emily Ritchings   
Haslingden    8e   281

Well I never!!!  I didn't even know this existed!!  I can see the typed up very useful information but when I tried to open up an actual scan nothing happened with either link even though I did different formats.  Should I be seeing a copy of a parish register or an actual marriage certificate or am I missing the point here?   ::)

Silvery is correct there is nothing else that you can see other than what has been put on the postem.  The scan is what you should be checking against before ordering a certificate or if you think there is a transcription error as it is a copy of the GRO index.  You can also report transcription errors on this site.

The example I gave you also shows on the entry for her husband James Frederick Wilkinson  ;)  You can if you like leave an email address if you are hoping someone may contact you, personally I don't.

That is so helpful!!
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: silvery on Saturday 13 February 16 15:30 GMT (UK)
I did this with a lot of my Carmarthen Joneses... I didn't know if it was ok to basically transcribe the cert so I think a lot of them just clarified if they were the right person, like "Ann Jones wife of Henry died aged 50 in Place" or whatever.


I put everything on, names, ages, dates, address, witnesses, church, cause of death etc etc.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: modem on Saturday 13 February 16 20:43 GMT (UK)
The official Death Index has my gg grandfather recorded as dying at the age of 37 which did not match the info I already had for him. For a long time I put off ordering the death certificate because of this but because the initial of the middle name matched his, decided to take a chance. I got lucky it was him. The details on the certificate including the name of his son who was the informant as well as his unusual middle name matched my info. The certificate showed his actual age as 67 which is more like what it should have been. I put a Postem on the FreeBMD entry (which is an exact copy of the official record) showing his age as written on the  certificate.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: sami on Saturday 13 February 16 21:00 GMT (UK)
Never knew that it was possible to add this information!

Thank you eadaoin for bringing this topic up  :)

I'm going to spend tomorrow adding information to FreeBMD from my many certificates.  When I include all the wrongs ones it makes quite a pile ;)

sami
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: tillypeg on Monday 15 February 16 11:50 GMT (UK)
Here is a link to the Help page on FreeBMD for Postems:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/postems-help.html

It is also possible to search the Postems using surnames/dates etc:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl

I also do Postems for any marriage/death notices that I find in local newspapers, when doing look-ups etc, and sometimes inquest reports.  Although you are limited to 250 characters, you can always put Contd/ and add another Postem which will follow on from the first.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: bibliotaphist on Monday 15 February 16 12:39 GMT (UK)
Yep, I do this for all my certificates except for very recent ones.

E.g. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?cite=d4RtZNXqLAXIwrwtCjgo9g&scan=1 (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?cite=d4RtZNXqLAXIwrwtCjgo9g&scan=1)

I always include my email address in case other people want to contact me to share info.

I'd rather it were possible to record the information in a more structured format, but in the meantime this is a good way of sharing.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 15 February 16 14:45 GMT (UK)
From freebmd

"FreeBMD is an ongoing project, the aim of which is to transcribe the Civil Registration index of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales, and to provide free Internet access to the transcribed records."

By adding postems you are possibly helping someone out in the future or finding someone else researching your family but storing other information in a standard format is not the purpose of the site.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Janelle on Thursday 18 February 16 12:57 GMT (UK)
I do like this practice. I have collected quite a few certs and have added a couple of postems, especially of brickwall breakthroughs and of when I have bought the wrong guy.

Must add this to my to do list, again.  ;D

Would it be fair to offer this forum as a point of contact if a RC'er did not wish to leave their email address in a FreeBMD postem?

Salute,

Janelle



Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 18 February 16 13:28 GMT (UK)
Postems are a very good idea, as long as they are accurate, i.e the poster has actually seen the certificate and is augmenting the information on the index with accurately transcribed information from said certificate.
Some time ago, I came across a postem attached to a record for an Eliza Livermore birth registered Royston district Q3 1848 which said "I think this is Ruth Livermore, daughter of Daniel and Elizabeth". Clearly the postem was put on by someone who had never seen the actual Certificate and was just picking a female with the same surname born in the same year in the same county, not even same registration district!
Fortunately it was possible to add a second postem with the correct information about Ruth Livermore and a tentative possibility for the Eliza Livermore based on census information. As she was a Barley / Chishill Livermore and not one of our Chesterford Livermores, I haven't fully researched her.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Beeonthebay on Thursday 18 February 16 14:14 GMT (UK)
Whoa that is not good!   I'd assumed the person posting the information would be copying it from an actual certificate in their possession.   :o
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: bibliotaphist on Thursday 18 February 16 14:45 GMT (UK)
Whoa that is not good!   I'd assumed the person posting the information would be copying it from an actual certificate in their possession.   :o

There are effectively no rules on what can go in a postem. There's nothing to say that a postem should or will relate to information derived from the certificate that the index entry relates to, and there's no quality control or review process at all.

From FreeBMD (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/):

Quote
"A Postem is a note left by someone about this record - the content of the postem is determined by the person who left it. FreeBMD can offer no assurance about the postem and will not enter into correspondence about it."

That said, they do seem to be mostly used to provide information from the certificate or corresponding parish marriage register, or to give hints about someone's knowledge about a family.

As a finding aid and potentially a tool for contacting other researchers, 6 out of 10.

As a citable document, about 0.5 out of 10  :D
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 18 February 16 14:56 GMT (UK)
However I would add, that I only cited an extreme example. Many others I have found have been very useful and do have information obviously transcribed from the Certificate. Maybe because it takes a little more effort to add a postem, they tend to be used by more serious researchers who want to give information to help others.  Quite different from those who just want to take from other trees to expand their own with as few mouse clicks as possible. 
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: clairec666 on Thursday 18 February 16 19:10 GMT (UK)
Agreed, the best use for a post-em is when someone has used the volume/page numbers to order the certificate, and can share the content with others.

Connecting a BMD entry with information from parish registers or censuses could help someone with their research,  but there's no proof it's related to that particular entry.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: pinefamily on Thursday 18 February 16 19:12 GMT (UK)
However I would add, that I only cited an extreme example. Many others I have found have been very useful and do have information obviously transcribed from the Certificate. Maybe because it takes a little more effort to add a postem, they tend to be used by more serious researchers who want to give information to help others.  Quite different from those who just want to take from other trees to expand their own with as few mouse clicks as possible.

I have no idea what you're talking about, Lizzie.  ::)
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: StanleysChesterton on Thursday 18 February 16 20:23 GMT (UK)
I post identifiable strays I find in the newspapers.

Where somebody dies away from home, say in a car accident or drowned.  I add a note of where they were from and the newspaper/date to head them in the right direction.

Obviously not for the John Smiths of the world, they're not identifiable :)

I also note them as "Could be: ....."
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Cavanaghs on Monday 07 March 16 19:18 GMT (UK)
It would be great if more people used the postems.. I also add information extracted from other sources, particularly BMD announcements in newspapers and baptism and burial records, the source clearly labelled of course.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: xanthippe on Wednesday 13 April 16 21:53 BST (UK)
Great tip. I added six certificates right away. Hope everyone does this! :)
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: jaybelnz on Thursday 14 April 16 01:13 BST (UK)
There's also an "unwanted Certs" board here in Rootschat - worth a look!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/unwanted-birth-marriage-death-certs-a-to-g/

That's just one of them - there's another other two for the rest of the alphabet.

I've had a couple from there, but haven't actually thought of putting any in myself duh!!

Oh well, winters coming up - will add something soon.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: steven781 on Sunday 18 December 16 12:55 GMT (UK)
I have just added 4x postems for the first time. Until recently I was unaware of this facility and I have built up a collection of unwanted certificates. So easy to do and so helpful for somebody researching that specific individual.

In my years of researching my family history I have met and had contact with many remarkable individuals who have assisted me along the way and this perhaps in some small way might go towards repaying that spirit of kind generosity.

Steve
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Pheno on Thursday 09 February 17 17:01 GMT (UK)
Just thought I'd bump this up a bit as following the recent GRO trial of lower priced pdf's there must be much more information that can now be added to the Free BMD entries by using postems.

The certificates don't have to be for the wrong person and unwanted - you can post the info from a correct certificate too to assist others.  It takes no time at all to add and can be very useful.

Why not everybody try and complete at least a couple and more besides if you have the info.

Pheno
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 22 March 17 00:15 GMT (UK)
Wouldn't it best to wait to see what freebmd's plans are? Maybe they have intentions to add all the maiden name entries as they are included for births post 1911?
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Bookbox on Wednesday 22 March 17 00:33 GMT (UK)
Melba, adding mothers’ maiden names requires access to the actual birth registrations. FreeBMD only has access to the index, and mothers’ maiden names are not given in the index until the 3rd quarter of 1911.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 22 March 17 00:50 GMT (UK)
An example of a "Postem" on Free BMD. Posted by me a few months ago.

1882: Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall July/September 1882, Dublin South, Ireland
and
Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall September Quarter 1883, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. Free BMD with Postem.

Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: silvery on Wednesday 22 March 17 11:20 GMT (UK)
What most people want with the marriage certs is the names of the fathers of the couple.   

The church/address and witnesses are also very very useful.
 
If you have the cert try to put all the information onto a postem. 
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 22 March 17 11:20 GMT (UK)
Melba, adding mothers’ maiden names requires access to the actual birth registrations. FreeBMD only has access to the index, and mothers’ maiden names are not given in the index until the 3rd quarter of 1911.
Hi, this has changed now I think as GRO has made a new index, and included maiden names all the way back to 1837. The catch is you have to search by surname, sex and 2 year period.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 22 March 17 12:25 GMT (UK)
Sorry it's +/- 2 years so 5 year period effectively. You can also do soundex on the surname but no wildcard search.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 22 March 17 13:15 GMT (UK)
Another difference is they seem to be including full middle names however long. Having trouble finding some entries with unusual spellings though, looks like mistranscription could be a factor so lack of wildcard search not good as soundex doesn't pick up on that.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 22 March 17 13:36 GMT (UK)
Melba, adding mothers’ maiden names requires access to the actual birth registrations. FreeBMD only has access to the index, and mothers’ maiden names are not given in the index until the 3rd quarter of 1911.
Hi, this has changed now I think as GRO has made a new index, and included maiden names all the way back to 1837. The catch is you have to search by surname, sex and 2 year period.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

The "new index" as you call it, is an internally-created GRO facility and is a pilot scheme, in which case it may or may not continue to be available to the general public.   FreeBMD has transcribed, and continues to transcribe, from the published indices.  Do you really expect unpaid volunteers to re-enter millions of registrations?  :o
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 22 March 17 14:32 GMT (UK)
I have transcribed for freebmd myself. If the pilot continues I can see it might be useful to start adding the maiden names and maybe middle names to the freebmd database for the uncovered period.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 22 March 17 14:36 GMT (UK)
Be my guest  :)  I too transcribe for them, and I've just had a quick look - birth registrations December quarter 1881 - 579 pages each containing roughly 375 entries = 217,000+  8)
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 22 March 17 14:42 GMT (UK)
Obviously it would be a large task  ;). But it would certainly be useful to people as the GRO search is quite limited. I don't know whether the freebmd leadership would want to implement a new programme to do it or not.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: LibbyW on Sunday 02 April 17 07:38 BST (UK)
Fascinating thread, I too will now add my certificate(s) info as a postems. Thanks.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: OffRocketeer075 on Monday 04 September 17 20:53 BST (UK)
Some English Counties have their own Free BMD sites.  I know Cheshire and Lancashire do, and they sometimes give more information during the search which can mean it is more likely the correct Certificate is ordered - or not needed yet. :)
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: greenpaula on Sunday 10 September 17 16:15 BST (UK)
Agree with everyone on this subject - I too had no idea about the Postems and will put as many as I can on now! Thank you so much for putting this on as a reminder.  Wondering how many I have missed through not being observant enough to notice the little envelopes   :-[ :-[
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Bob Campbell on Tuesday 21 November 17 16:07 GMT (UK)
Beeonthebay - Just as an example take a look at this record.  There is an envelope alongside the index just click it.
Marriage Dec qtr 1904   
Emily Ritchings   
Haslingden    8e   281

Well I never!!!  I didn't even know this existed!!  I can see the typed up very useful information but when I tried to open up an actual scan nothing happened with either link even though I did different formats.  Should I be seeing a copy of a parish register or an actual marriage certificate or am I missing the point here?   ::)

Silvery is correct there is nothing else that you can see other than what has been put on the postem.  The scan is what you should be checking against before ordering a certificate or if you think there is a transcription error as it is a copy of the GRO index.  You can also report transcription errors on this site.

The example I gave you also shows on the entry for her husband James Frederick Wilkinson  ;)  You can if you like leave an email address if you are hoping someone may contact you, personally I don't.

You can leave your e-mail address if the postem concerns someone who is on your tree, however you can replace with words like "at" and "dot" to prevent it being harvested by hackers. By putting my e-mail in this form a while back I was contacted by another researcher of the same family tree so this does and can work. Have just downloaded to "WRONG" death certificates from the GRO so have posted details on the relative postem FreeBMD record. didn't take long, including details such as where and when died, home address and informants name address especially if a relative. This when seen would enable a search for a burial, newspaper notice and electoral rolls which are now coming online.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Gigi on Friday 29 December 17 11:17 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

I totally agree!

I added my pdf certs info into postems earlier this month. Every cert I have, I have entered the info.

Regards

Gillian

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: mrcakey on Friday 05 January 18 11:48 GMT (UK)
This DEFINITELY needs to be made sticky.

Only recently, I was wondering how viable it would be to create a site where people could record the information from the certificates they had bought (wanted AND unwanted) to save others the expense of buying certificates which turned out not to be irrelevant.

If it's already there ... we need to start using it ... and encourage everyone in our community to do so. The more of us do it, the more useful it will be ... a bit like that project to decipher the quarter million papyrus fragments found in 1930!

Apparently there was a site that did just that (can't remember the name of it), but it's no longer being updated.

I'm actually starting to build one now to allow people to share the details off BMD certificates. I'm hoping it will be live in a couple of months.

I'd be very interested to hear if people think they would use such a site?
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 05 January 18 11:54 GMT (UK)

Apparently there was a site that did just that (can't remember the name of it), but it's no longer being updated.

I'm actually starting to build one now to allow people to share the details off BMD certificates. I'm hoping it will be live in a couple of months.

I'd be very interested to hear if people think they would use such a site?

Rootschat also allows you to post details.   ;D

Personally I would not go looking for a further site.  I do post my certificates on freebmd as I consider that the site is used as a search for lots of us when doing our research so certificate details on there are a bonus.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Ayashi on Friday 05 January 18 12:47 GMT (UK)
I wrote up my latest batch to FreeBMD and Ancestry. It's a shame the certs don't have the GRO index number on them really, I've got so many certs and not all of them can be identified after the fact.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 05 January 18 12:54 GMT (UK)
If they are births pre 1911 you can double check them for the registration details on the new GRO index which gives mothers maiden names
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: silvery on Sunday 14 January 18 05:08 GMT (UK)
This DEFINITELY needs to be made sticky.

Only recently, I was wondering how viable it would be to create a site where people could record the information from the certificates they had bought (wanted AND unwanted) to save others the expense of buying certificates which turned out not to be irrelevant.

If it's already there ... we need to start using it ... and encourage everyone in our community to do so. The more of us do it, the more useful it will be ... a bit like that project to decipher the quarter million papyrus fragments found in 1930!

Apparently there was a site that did just that (can't remember the name of it), but it's no longer being updated.

I'm actually starting to build one now to allow people to share the details off BMD certificates. I'm hoping it will be live in a couple of months.

I'd be very interested to hear if people think they would use such a site?

What's the point of starting a new site?   The hard work's already been done (by volunteers) on freebmd.   And sharing certificate information into a postem on there is easy.   
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: DianneBehringer on Monday 21 May 18 23:42 BST (UK)
Hi
Over the years I have bought many certificates from GRO.  I am a transcriber for FreeReg Kent but didn't know about putting information from the certificates in FreeBMD.  I have not had a lot of luck using FreeBMD.  I am willing to input the information if I know how to.
Regards
Dianne
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: antonymark on Tuesday 22 May 18 00:41 BST (UK)
Hi there,
Sorry for being the dim one but how do you add a postem? Should I be able to see an 'add postem' button? I can see the envelope symbol for viewing postems already attached.
Regards, Tony.

Added. Found it! Clicked on the 'info' box and 'add postem' is an option on next page. ;D
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 22 May 18 10:27 BST (UK)
or you can click on the spectacles icon, gets to the same place in a different way.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: tillypeg on Tuesday 22 May 18 16:26 BST (UK)
and if you want to search the Postems to see if any of your surnames have notes against them, use this:

http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: clairec666 on Sunday 27 May 18 09:38 BST (UK)
and if you want to search the Postems to see if any of your surnames have notes against them, use this:

http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl

Ooh thanks, I've not used that before! Most of the post-ems it's showing are my own ones though....  ;D
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: macwil on Sunday 27 May 18 16:31 BST (UK)
and if you want to search the Postems to see if any of your surnames have notes against them, use this:

http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl

Thanks for the tip. :)

Do you know if it is possible to search for surname and registration district together? If it is possible please explain how to do it.
I've tried but get 'no results with that criteria' and yet I've seen results from individual searches that contain both. With a name like Wilson there are numerous results from all over the country and I'm really only interested in Wigan and nearby.

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Post by: barryd on Sunday 27 May 18 17:15 BST (UK)
One of my Postems on Free BMD

Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall July/September 1882, Dublin South, Ireland
and
Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall September Quarter 1883, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. Free BMD.

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Post by: silvery on Monday 28 May 18 03:40 BST (UK)
One of my Postems on Free BMD

Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall July/September 1882, Dublin South, Ireland
and
Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall September Quarter 1883, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. Free BMD.

Did you enter the fathers' names and occupations?   The witnesses?   The address?    These are the things searchers need to know, as they will already have the names in many cases.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: tillypeg on Monday 28 May 18 09:14 BST (UK)

Do you know if it is possible to search for surname and registration district together? If it is possible please explain how to do it.
I've tried but get 'no results with that criteria' and yet I've seen results from individual searches that contain both. With a name like Wilson there are numerous results from all over the country and I'm really only interested in Wigan and nearby.

I think if you put the surname in "Information contains" and the District in "Record contains", you should get the results you are looking for.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: macwil on Monday 28 May 18 18:06 BST (UK)

Do you know if it is possible to search for surname and registration district together? If it is possible please explain how to do it.
I've tried but get 'no results with that criteria' and yet I've seen results from individual searches that contain both. With a name like Wilson there are numerous results from all over the country and I'm really only interested in Wigan and nearby.

I think if you put the surname in "Information contains" and the District in "Record contains", you should get the results you are looking for.

Thanks, it did cut the number of postems returned on the individual searches. There were just two returns from a search of all BMD.
However it does rely on the informant mentioning the name in the postem and not all postems repeat the info already in the record.
Still one can't always get what one wants.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: knittree on Wednesday 16 January 19 02:34 GMT (UK)
sounds great everyone doing this but some people are not as careful about facts.

I recently added details from a great aunt's sons's birth cert into a postem.   The boy was with Mum but was adopted at a few months old.   The boy was born 1943 or 1944 his mother is now dead .  So if an adoptee looks her up he will know his mother is dead but also if he looks his original name up on ancestry he will find her and her family.

I also had a book about survivors of the Charge of the Light Brigade. I added that fact to deaths mentioned in the book including a chap born in Australia who somehow got in the fighting and died in England.  I love to think of someone seeking a death and clicking on an envelope to find out their relative survived the charge - the ones from 13th Light Dragoons of course.

Be handy to folks too if anyone defintely knew a relative emigrated since WW2 as anyone alive in 1939 but whose name is blacked out on the 1939 index and not living in the England and Wales when they die won't ever be uncovered on the 1939 index.   So emigration could be mentioned in a postem.

my father died in 2010 and is still covered up on the 1939 yet mum who died before Dad has been uncovered.

A thought !   if a person in England and Wales in 1939 index moved to Scotland later and died there, is the information that they died passed on automatically so their name is uncovered.



Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: knittree on Wednesday 16 January 19 03:15 GMT (UK)
You can if course click on the FreeBMD site to correct errors made in the freebmd index

For instance the bride in a marriage on my tree was entered as married in Stockport but husband was entered as married in Stockton on Tees.   

If a marriage place is wrong or a wrong reference was typed then when Freebmd added all the brides to the grooms they didn't match and you find perhaps 6 men and 5 women listed and the missing woman is with other people whose correct references match her incorrect one.

FreeBmd will alter errors made by transcribers in their index but as their purpose is to index the national indexes as they stand they cannot alter mistakes made back in the 1867 pages for instance.

I find quite a few errors made by the government clerks preparing the national indexes.  Spelling mistakes in surnames though the name on the actual certificate is correct for instance.

Notes about these I include in a postem.

My great grandfather had the name Peter put down as his father's name on his marriage certificate but I could only find a woman with his mother's name marrying a James.  His Birth certiflcate said father was James.

Dna via Ancestry has proved the name James was right.   I have two new 4th cousins who are 2nd cousins removed to each other.

James' father was Hector, a subcontractor, who born in Scotland but travelled from site to site, his wife was from Worcestershire as was first child but then eight more born in England, Scotland or Wales in 7 different counties and the dna matches.     

Luckily one daughter was born in Stockport and all mother's maiden names of births 1837 to date are shown for births in Stockport Reg. DIstrict bearing  in mind registration boundary changes.  Thus I got Hector's wife's maiden name from CheshireBMD.

Poynton (next to Stockport) registers in Macclesfield also in CheshireBMD but is a district which did not allow mother's maiden names to be shown.

The money for the dna (less than the cost of 8 certificates) has found a few blood ancestors.  Worth the cash, definitely.

Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 16 January 19 08:03 GMT (UK)
You can if course click on the FreeBMD site to correct errors made in the freebmd index


You can request a correction if the transcriber has made an error, but you cannot have an incorrect postem removed.
I found a postem attached to a birth which gave an incorrect suggestion for parentage. All I could do was put on an additional postem with the correct information. The original postem with incorrect information still stays at the top of the list.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 16 January 19 10:59 GMT (UK)
Quote
A thought !   if a person in England and Wales in 1939 index moved to Scotland later and died there, is the information that they died passed on automatically so their name is uncovered.

Maybe not.

As far as I know, FindMyPast do routinely unlock records from the 1939 where they have discovered a match in the post 2007 indexes.

Now, how they do this is open to speculation.

They may have a researcher at one of the 7 England & Wales host sites who is manually going through the death index and noting down dates of birth, but this will only potentially work for male deaths whose surnames have not changed.

Women born pre-1939 will, on the whole, have different surnames on their deaths.

Alternatively they are working with a company (or the GRO itself but unlikely) who does have electronic access to the death data after 2007.

They may not be many and they do pay a huge sum in fees (£57,00 annually) for this data but have to jump through hoops to get at it.

These companies have to prove that they need access to prevent fraud.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disclosure-of-death-registration-information-how-to-apply/disclosure-of-death-registration-information
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Leyther on Saturday 06 July 19 10:50 BST (UK)
eadaoin
I've only recently joined RootsChat so am still bumbling about randomly.
As I have a large number of certs from the GRO (only one incorrect) I will certainly make the effort to enter details on FreeBMD, thanks to your original post.
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Alandal on Tuesday 28 April 20 09:55 BST (UK)
The earlier post from Clairec666 on how to search Postems (http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl (http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl)) no longer appears to work.  Does any one know how they can now be searched ?

Thanks,  Al
Title: Re: ** POSTEMS on FreeBMD **
Post by: Alandal on Tuesday 28 April 20 10:49 BST (UK)
Found it !

Under Advanced Facilities : https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl (https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/ShowPostems.pl)

Thanks, Al