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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: bravaal on Monday 22 February 16 12:01 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Anybody got any connections with George Armstrong, married Elizabeth Robb, 3 Dec 1875, Tullyallan then moved to Coatbridge, Old Monkland.
This is my maternal line.
regards
Bravaal
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Hi,
Anybody got any connections with George Armstrong, married Elizabeth Robb, 3 Dec 1875, Tullyallan then moved to Coatbridge, Old Monkland.
This is my maternal line.
regards
Bravaal
Church? Father's name and occupation? names of both witnesses?
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Married Tullyallen Presbyterian Church, George Armstrong, Drumharrif, Elizabeth Robb, Drumharrif. Witness 1 James Armstrong, Witness 2 Margaret Robb.
George's father Alexander, Elizabeth's father Alexander.
My interest is in the daughter, Martha born 4 Dec 1877, Merryston, Coatbridge whom I think was estranged from the family as she was to have an illegitimate child James, born in Glasgow city poorhouse, 23 Sept 1903. He was killed during world war 2 and is my grandfather.
I can vaguely remember being taken to Ireland in the early 50's
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This might be James and George Armstrong in Drumgane, Loughgilly
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/armagh/loughgilly.php
There are also Robbs in the same Parish.
By coincidence, James Armstrong was my husbands g. grandfather.
Tullyallan is in Loughgilly Parish.
RosemaryJoan
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Thank you for the response, I have a copy of the wedding certificate and it says they are from Drumharrif as mentioned previous, and I notice there are a few surnames on the valuation list for Drumharrif, then why not them? I have no idea of the geography in Tullyallen but tried searching for it on Google without success. George would be my G Grandfather.
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bravaal
Have a look at this website to get a picture of the area. http://www.bygonesandbyways.com/mainmenu.htm
Tullyallan is about a mile from Drumgane (and the bride would normally be married in her home church). Drumharrif, which is not on the map is about 3 miles South East of Tullyallan. The couple could have been working for other farmers and not necessarily renting land and their fathers, both Alexander could be deceased. Only those who leased land or property are listed in Griffiths Valuation. For instance, if a son worked on the land for his father, his name would not appear in Griffiths. I will have a further look for you.
RosemaryJoan
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Here is an interactive map of townlands on the General Registry Office of Northern Ireland. You will probably have to register, but it is free.
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/TownlandMaps
All the townlands mentioned in our posts are on this map.
RosemaryJoan
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This is another good townlands, parishes, etc. site-
www.townlands.ie/search/?q=tullyallen
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Easier to use Aghadowey!!
Rosemary
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photo of Tullyallen Church
http://www.sinton-family-trees.com/church-photos/view.php?pid=184
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Just looked at Elizabeth Robb on Ancestry. She was born to Alexander Robb and Mary McQuillie in Kirkmadden, Wigtonshire. Her husband George died in an asylum in Scotland. Strange coincidence about the names of her parents. Do you think there was a mistake when giving George's parents on his death? Have you got Elizabeth's death cert in 1929? Also, no sign of a daughter named Martha.
RosemaryJoan
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Hi Rosemary,
I have George Armstrong DC and as you say died of TB in Hartwood Asylum, Shotts, I have got Elizabeth DC also and never gave it a thought both parents could be mixed up, you think?
Martha Armstrong was born 10 December 1877 in Merryston, Coatbridge, Old Monkland, but the next child Alexander 1881 was born in Ireland, they had another 4 all born in Coatbridge.
regards
billy
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What were Elizabeth's parents on her death certificate?.
rosemaryJoan
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Hi Rosemary,
You called it right, Alexander and Mary McQuillie were the parents.
billy
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This was taken from the Armstrong family tree on Ancestry
Birth of Son john (known as Alexander) Armstrong(1880–1964)
9 Dec 1880 • Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
RosemaryJoan
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found John and Martha's births on Scotlands people. Where was Martha in 1891?
RosemaryJoan
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This is her in 1903, Glasgow poorhouse
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1901, Domestic Servant, Sauchiehall St, Glasgow
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So James's father named on the record.
I wonder who Martha was named after? Usually after her father or mother's mother. So, I wonder was George's mother called Martha, as Lizzie's mother was Mary. Will keep looking. I can't find George and Elisabeth, Eliza or Lizzie on the 1881 census in Scotland.
RosemaryJoan
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I MIGHT have found George's father's death in Markethill
Registration number
D/1890/13/1002/10/49
Registration district
Armagh(pre-1973 Q4)
Registration sub-district
Markethill
Deceased details
Surname of deceased
Armstrong
Forename(s) of deceased
Alexander
Sex of deceased
Male
Marital status of deceased
Married
Date of death
18th April 1890
Age at death
69
He was a farmer in Kilbracks
He died of heart failure but there was an inquest on 19 April 1890 . I will see if I can find it.
RosemaryJoan
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John H Armstrong
mentioned in the record of Alexander Armstrong
Name John H Armstrong
Gender Unknown
Name Alexander Armstrong
Event Type Probate
Event Date 18 Apr 1890
Event Place Armagh
Beneficiary's Name John H Armstrong
I think this is John Hunningford Armstrong who married in 1907
RosemaryJoan
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I think this is probably John H's birth
Registration number
U/1881/13/1002/9/421
Registration district
Armagh(pre-1973 Q4)
Registration sub-district
Markethill
Child details
Surname of child
Armstrong
Forename(s) of child
Not Captured
Date of birth
29th April 1881
Sex of child
Male
District of birth
Armagh(pre-1973 Q4)
Mother details
Forename and surname of mother
Margaret Armstrong
Mother's maiden surname
Coulter
Father details
Forename and surname of father
Alexander Armstrong
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John Hunniford Armstrong, aged 28, father Alexander of Kilbracks married Maria Armstrong (35), father George of Drumalaragh, in Armagh Registry Office on 12 Sep 1907.
I think this if probably your Alexander who was 69 in 1890, so old enough to have married two or even three times!!
RosemaryJoan
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Apologies for not being in touch sooner Rosemary, have been tied up all day. Still trying to get my head around all the wonderful information you have found.
Thank you oh so much for that. Terrific
billy
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Take your time and digest it all, then see what you think. I feel that these armstrongs were related to my late husband whose grandmother was an Armstrong from drumgane.
RosemaryJoan
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Hey sorry to burst in on your post but I think we may have the same Armstrong's. My G grandfather was John Armstrong (called Alex) his parents were George Armstrong and Elizabeth Robb who were married at Drumharif in Co Armagh. George was resident and died in Hardwood Asylum.
George and Elizabeth's parents are both listed as being Alexander and Mary McQuillie which is confusing.
Do we have the same ones?
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Hi Lynn,
Oh! yes we have the same connection me through George and Elizabeth daughter Martha who had an illegitimate son in the Glasgow Poorhouse, James Armstrong my Grandfather. I have a paper trail back to Ireland to verify this. Does this mean we are cousins?
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Oh yes we are cousins.
Martha's brother John had an illegitimate child too - my grandfather George Armstrong.
Most of my research I did about 10 years ago. A friend asked me a few questions today which prompt me to do a quick search and up you popped.
Can I ask if you have any information relating as to why George may have been in Hardwood Asylum? I know he died there in 1918 but could not trace any information relating to his condition or disability.
Lovely to meet you by the way.
Lynn