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Title: Kiely
Post by: maggie smith on Wednesday 02 March 16 19:18 GMT (UK)
I am looking for the MAIDEN name of Mary Kiely, she married an Edmond KIELY and they lived at 23 Gallowshill, Dungarvan.  They had 10 siblings, one of which was a Rev JOHN M Kiely.  I f I am able to find this link with your help I will be able to finish my family tree.
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 19:23 GMT (UK)
Have you got a date?
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: maggie smith on Wednesday 02 March 16 19:50 GMT (UK)
Hi, The only way I have found this info is from the 1901 census.  I think they were married in 1877 and James Kiely born 1889 a married Margaret Condon in 1917 and she died in 1963 I learnt from my mother (who came to UK in 1930 that Rev John Kiely was her cousin. I also believe that Mon John Kielys brother married to sis Condon I do not know her proper name

Many thanks
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 19:58 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I have found them now.

Have you looked for a marriage?

http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx

Both Ancestry and Find My Past have indexed these registers. You might find them. 

There are also civil indexes here https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
Heywood
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: maggie smith on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:06 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much.  Can you tell me the surname. Of the bride and what year the marriage was please
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:09 GMT (UK)
Oh sorry. I meant found them in the census.
You would need to look at those options I have posted to see if the marriage is there.
You say they married in 1877 - how do you know this?
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: maggie smith on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:16 GMT (UK)
I worked it out from the dates of birth of the siblings on the national archives Census in 2011.  It has taken me this long to get almost to the end.
I will now use the links that you soundly gave me and hope that the puzzle is now finished.

Many thanks and God Bless you
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:24 GMT (UK)
I have been looking and it is not that easy! The parish records are really poor!

I will keep looking and see if I can find anything also!

There is a Dungarvan marriage 1877 with Edmond Kiely and Maria/Mary Tobin.

There is also 1877 marriage in Waterford.
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:32 GMT (UK)
If you look here at baptism 542 I think the parents are Edmond Kiely and Mary Tobin.
It is such a pity that others on the page are so much clearer!

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632184#page/42/mode/1up
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:43 GMT (UK)
There are some published trees which show Edmond's wife as Mary Tobin.
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 20:50 GMT (UK)
The marriage is here http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632183#page/66/mode/1up

March 20th 1877

The entry begins with 'cum dispens... ' and I think mentions 'consanguinity' which would mean they were related.

Rechecked- that's the one below I think. Theirs is a different dispensation possibly - too feint to read.
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: maggie smith on Wednesday 02 March 16 21:01 GMT (UK)
Wow the plot thickens!!!!!!
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 21:03 GMT (UK)
Wow the plot thickens!!!!!!

Just had another look I think it's the one below that has that dispensation - theirs is a different one!
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: maggie smith on Wednesday 02 March 16 21:06 GMT (UK)
Phew what a releave
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 March 16 21:34 GMT (UK)
They would only be cousins!
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: familyroutes on Saturday 05 March 16 12:56 GMT (UK)
I think the record reads something like "dispensation to banns... tempore". In tempore means "in the matter of time" i.e. short notice. So it seems that the notice given of intention to marry was short, and a dispensation was also granted on that basis. The witnesses look like Thomas Tobin and Bridget Phelan? It's hard to read.
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: familyroutes on Saturday 05 March 16 13:14 GMT (UK)
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James Kiely born 1889 a married Margaret Condon in 1917 ... I also believe that Mon John Kielys brother married to sis Condon I do not know her proper name

Do you mean that another brother of James and Fr John married another Condon?
Title: Re: Kiely
Post by: familyroutes on Saturday 05 March 16 13:30 GMT (UK)
Waterford museum have a photo of Monsignor John Kiely's funeral available for purchase.

http://www.waterfordmuseum.ie/exhibit/web/BasicImageSearch/offset/1371/order_prints/1/