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Can anyone help me. I'm looking for a William Barker he was married to Janet Moore nee McFarquhar (she was a widow ). Janet McFarquhar was born 13 August 1843 St Pancras London England . William Barker and Janet married 9th October 1866 in Wanganui New Zealand , on his marriage certificate he gave his age as 30 years old, and claimed to be a seaman.
In an 1877 court case in Blenheim he gave his as a mariner, but had been working in a livery stable , but had to stop due to ill health. ( Marlborough express 5 December 1877 ) In 1892 at his daughter's wedding he gave hi occupation as a sail maker. He was a bit of a rouge and not very pleasant, he had a few brushes with the law. He also lived in a few places Wanganui , Wellington and Blenheim
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Hello Royston123,
Welcome to Rootschat.......
As a suggestion, you could request a look up of an Intention to Marry document in respect of William Barker. This would give an indication as to how long he had been residing in the area where he intended to marry (not necessarily how long he had lived in New Zealand).
For the information to be found on such a document, go to the resources page to be found at the top of the first page:
"New Zealand Resources & Offers"
It may pay to start a new topic asking for the look up......
Minniehaha.
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Hi Royston123,
I can look for that ITM record for you.
Spades
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Hi spades,
if you could look that item up for me that would be great
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Hi Royston123,
I have the ITM for you.
Can you please send me a PM with your email address.
Spades
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Image sent.
Spades
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Hi spades, Thank you for getting the intention to marry register record , I found it most informative . Is there any records I could look for, to find out if it was Janet's house were they married , and would there be any records around May/ June 1865 for William Barker
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Hi Royston,
I no longer have the image I sent you. What was the place of intended marriage on the ITM?
I would suggest an approach to a local branch of the New Zealand Society of Genealogists (search 'nzsg branches') or a local library or family history society for more information.
Spades
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Hi spades, Thank you for getting the intention to marry register record , I found it most informative . Is there any records I could look for, to find out if it was Janet's house were they married , and would there be any records around May/ June 1865 for William Barker
Hi Royston
In your initial post you've given some detail on William BARKER ..."on his marriage certificate .... "
The actual place of marriage should be noted on the certificate ... and also noted on the ITM.
[e.g. ... at the house of Mr Joe BLOGGS ... ]
~ Lu
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Hello Royston...
Welcome to Rootschat :)
In your thread (http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic12735.html) on the WDYTYA forum the 1913 William BARKER death found on the BDM NZ Historical website was suggested as a possibility.
Did you take this any further?
BDM NZ Deaths
1913/6718 - BARKER, William - 93 years - d.o.d 28 Aug 1913
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I ask because the 1918 death notice for Janet BARKER says "wife of the late William John Barker of Wanganui" and the William BARKER who died in 1913 is buried at Heads Road Cemetery, Wanganui.
Death notice for Janet BARKER
http://tinyurl.com/gpmmsf3 (http://tinyurl.com/gpmmsf3)
[...] at the residence of her daughter Mrs Johns [...]
BDM NZ Marriages
1911/662 - Janet Maud BARKER to Thomas Percy JOHNS
BDM NZ Births
1886/16016 - BARKER, Janet Maude - mother: Janet father: William
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It's possible that the William BARKER who died in 1913 is buried in the same plot as Augustus Edward BARKER, son of William and Janet BARKER, as Augustus is also buried at Heads Road Cemetery.
I'll check the headstone inscription in the next day or two and get back to you.
Death of Mr Barker
http://tinyurl.com/zmqdyjw (http://tinyurl.com/zmqdyjw)
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Why do you say that there was a William senior and a William junior.
And if there were two Williams, which one is the one you're looking for.
Regards
Beg
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Hi Lucy2
On the intention to marry it says they got married at the house of Mrs Moore , Which I presume was Janet's house , as that was her surname at the time . I was just wondering if I could have found the address , so I could find out more especially about William , where he was born and who his parent were .As he seems a bit of a mystery
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Hi Beg
I'm looking for William Barker senior Janet's husband. The William Barker who was buried with Augustus I'm not sure what his relationship is. Thank you for the links you have given me . I will follow them up , it will be interesting to see what the grave stone has Inscribed on it .
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Hi again...
William BARKER d.1913 and Augustus Edward BARKER d.1899 are buried in the same plot.
The headstone reads...
In loving memory of William BARKER died 28 August 1913 aged 91 years.
Also Augustus Edward BARKER died 19 December 1899 aged 16 years
Annoyingly it's not stated but I would suggest that they are father and son as 60-ish is not too old to father a child.
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If it's within your budget, I would suggest buying a printout of William BARKER's 1913 death certificate.
A printout is a scan/photocopy of the Deaths Register which can be emailed to you. A physical copy can also be snail mailed to you at no additional cost.
It costs $20.40 and should contain the following information...
Death data collected
http://tinyurl.com/h9va2eg (http://tinyurl.com/h9va2eg)
As it's a scan of the Register there won't be any transcription errors.
The information contained in the Register may be inaccurate but, then again, it may not :)
The 1883 birth certificate of Augustus BARKER may also be a worthwhile purchase.
Birth data collected
http://tinyurl.com/jqxzqwa (http://tinyurl.com/jqxzqwa)
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I'm looking for William Barker senior, Janet's husband.
So are you saying that William and Janet had a son also named William. Is he the following 1868 birth...
1868/17054 - BARKER, William John - mother: Jennet father: William
The death notice for Augustus says he is the third son of William and Janet. Assuming William b.1868 is their eldest son do you know the name of their second son
Death notice for Augustus BARKER
http://tinyurl.com/jsmed4v (http://tinyurl.com/jsmed4v)
...and do you have a record of the family living in Plymouth Street. Would be nice to nail that down.
Regards
Beg
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Hi Royston,
Are you one of the owners of the online trees at Ancestry?
So are you saying that William and Janet had a son also named William. Is he the following 1868 birth...
1868/17054 - BARKER, William John - mother: Jennet father: William
Looks like that one died Beg, as there was another William born in 1894 and died three years later. But there looks like there was an unnamed male born in 1865. There was also another brother Horace born in 1885.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Royston
Much of the information I had for you, has now been covered in Beg's postings.
There are though some interesting snippets in newspaper articles re: William BARKER, "the old man ... aged about 90 (in 1912) ... formerly employed as a signalman by the Wanganui Harbour Board".
At PapersPast >
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Wanganui Chronicle" - 10 February 1912 - Local and General
.... Mr BARKER, signalman on Durie Hill ... the old man is about 90 ... has had a very adventurous career ...
Mr BARKER is stated to have been the first pilot to take a vessel up the Wanganui River .... this was in the 'forties.
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So, it would seem that Mr (William) BARKER had been in New Zealand from some time in the early 1840's ?
~ Lu
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Have more to come for William BARKER (d. 1913) ... but just to answer re: online trees for this family
[Janet McFARQUHAR (MOORE) and William BARKER].
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Janet MOORE (nee McFARQUHAR) had a son born c. 1864 in Australia, to first husband Joseph MOORE.
Because this child (Joseph James MOORE) was very young when his mother remarried to William BARKER in NZ, then it may be that he was considered to be the eldest son of BARKER ??
There are three or four trees for the family on the ancestry website - it seems that info has been copied from one to another ? None of them give any hint of William BARKER's roots (and most name him has "William John BARKER" - which possibly comes from the death notice published later for his wife ?
~ Lu
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I thought they were a little bit of mishmash Lu ;D
Cheers
KHP
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The death notice for Augustus says he is the third son of William and Janet. Assuming William b.1868 is their eldest son do you know the name of their second son
Death notice for Augustus BARKER
http://tinyurl.com/jsmed4v (http://tinyurl.com/jsmed4v)
...and do you have a record of the family living in Plymouth Street. Would be nice to nail that down.
Regards
Beg
The death notice says that Augustus was the (3rd) son of William BARKER of Plymouth Street (Janet was not mentioned ... although the birth registration 1883 shows his mother was named Janet.)
A further notice (21 December 1899) also said that the funeral was to leave his parent's residence in Plymouth Street.
The 1900 Wanganui Electoral has >
BARKER - Janet - married
BARKER - William - gardener ... Plymouth Street. (Residential qualification).
[Seems family was living in Wellington for a time in 1890's ... possibly why death notice for Augustus asks "Post" ("Evening Post") newspaper "to copy". ]
~ Lu
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[Seems family was living in Wellington for a time in 1890's ... possibly why death notice for Augustus asks "Post" ("Evening Post") newspaper "to copy". ]
~ Lu
That will fit in with the school records for Augustus and his sister, as they were admitted to Manchester Street, School, Fielding in March 1891 and their last day there was the 26 May 1891 to go to Wellington.
Cheers
KHP
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I thought they were a little bit of mishmash Lu ;D
Cheers
KHP
Agree, KHP. ;D [There's a bit of "untangling" to be done. ]
~ Lu
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School record 1891 (at Feilding) ... so that's another place they resided (Wanganui / Marlborough / Wellington we already have.)
Suspect that William BARKER had a variety of occupations over his long life. Foremost though he seems to have been a mariner.
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... more from newspapers : [search on "Barker" ]
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Wanganui Chronicle" - 6 January 1912 - page 8
... Wanganui Harbour Board - Mr W. BARKER asked for three weeks leave of absence on the grounds of ill health. Granted: Provided he finds a substitute to undertake his duties during his absence, at his own cost. :(
Same newspaper > has additional info
- 10 February 1912 - Local and General
- 2 March 1912 - Local and General ... Mr BARKER - 91 - ... signal station
~ Lu
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... also "Wanganui Chronicle" - 2 March 1912 - page 6
(Report) Wanganui Harbour Board .
.... letter to Harbour Board written by A.C. LEES on behalf of Mr W. BARKER (signalman).
~ Lu
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Hi KHP :)
there was another William born in 1894 and died three years later
The only three year old William BARKER who died in 1897-ish is the son of a John and Mary BARKER. This William died on 26 Dec 1896.
Although there is a Wanganui connection he wasn't a son of William and Janet.
Death notice of William John BARKER
http://tinyurl.com/jcpb52p (http://tinyurl.com/jcpb52p)
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So are you saying that William and Janet had a son also named William
Looks like that one died Beg
So who is this...
BARKER, William John - SA5044, WWI 20/3 - Army
Born in Wanganui.
Son of William (sailmaker of Wanganui) and Jenet.
His attestation is Image 85.
http://tinyurl.com/j6f3mu4 (http://tinyurl.com/j6f3mu4)
Regards
Beg
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Was only going by the online tree Beg, which had two son's called William attached to William and Janet.
Cheers
KHP
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Then William John Barker didn't die, usually if a child dies, and they have another son, as you know they name that one after the deceased. The extra William threw me ;D So whoever put the tree up, didn't check on their 2nd William's parentage.
Cheers
KHP
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Burial - Masterton, Wairarapa, NZ
William John BARKER - 85* years
Died: 23 August 1946
Buried : 26 August 1946
Ex. Serviceman
Plan X - Row 3 - Plot WJB
Archer Street Cemetery - Q E (Queen Elizabeth) Park, Masterton
[Note: - Age if deceased is at odds with death registration].
NZ BDM (online) - Death Registration
1946 / 25882 - BARKER - William John - 78 years [born circa 1868 ]
Date of death: 23 August 1946
Also - his wife
Isabella BARKER - 82 years
Died: 6 February 1958 - Buried: 8 February 1958
Plan 11 - row 34 - Plot 15
Archer Street Cemetery, Q E Park, Masterton.
~ Lu
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Was only going by the online tree
OK KHP...
So if we could get the maiden name for the mother of William John BARKER d.1946 and match it to the maiden name of the wife of William BARKER d.1913 it would (hopefully) tie things up nicely.
The latter should be found on the 1913 death certificate but unfortunately I can't find the 1903 marriage mentioned in Image 8 of William John BARKER's army service record. Would need to cross fingers and rely on his 1946 death certificate....
Regards
Beg
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Hello Royston
Sorry, not able to help with any records of William BARKER in NZ prior to 1866.
There are a couple of avenues you may like to try though in an effort to get further info for this man.
[Should firstly explain though about Wanganui and Whanganui.
These are one and the same place. A spelling change occurred a few years back when the letter "h" was added to the name. ]
** Try the Whanganui Library's Heritage / family history, section.
They appear to have a Biographical Index, so enquire if the William BARKER family are mentioned.
May be an idea also to see if they have info on the first mariners to sail the Wanganui River (... quote the info from the newspaper report I mentioned earlier.)
http://www.whanganuilibrary.com
> click on the Heritage tab
~ Lu
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The other place to try is >
Wanganui District Council Archives
http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/archives/Pages/default.aspx
They appear to have Wanganui Harbour Board records 1876-1988 (and possibly employee records ? )
~ Lu
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Hi Beg
William John Barker's mother's maiden name was McFarquhar, She was born in
St Pancras London England , She sailed to Hobart Australia where she married Joseph Moore
who died in 1864 and was widowed. She went to New Zealand where she married William Barker, where her name was Moore. As for William John Barker, I have been emailing a descendant of his ,and she doesn't think he and I Isabella married.
regards royston
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William John Barker's mother's maiden name was McFarquhar, She was born in St Pancras London England
I'm assuming you mean the William John BARKER who died in 1946. Where did you find his mother's maiden name and the birthplace of St Pancras. (How reliable is the source)
You should consider purchasing the 1913 death certificate for William BARKER, as mentioned earlier. Might be a bust but you never know (at least not until you've spent your money)
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Are you part of the "mcfarquhar" thread on british-genealogy.com
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/80463-mcfarquhar (https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/80463-mcfarquhar)
Very hard thread to decipher.
Regards
Beg
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Hi Beg
The source is reliable, Janet is my 3#great aunt . I'm a direct descendant of hers.
Yes I am part of that British Genealogy.com thread, I also found some parts confusing . But I found the answer in the end
regards royston
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Hello to all of you.
I would like to thank you all, for the information you have given me so far for William Barker. It has been really helpfull, I am looking at news papers, army records and going to invest in BDM certificates. As I live in the UK I would have not known where to look.
best regards
royston
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There are 3 William Barkers: William 1 married Janet McFarquhar. William 2 (aka William John Barker) was the son of William and Janet, born 1868, died 1946, served WW1. William 3 is the one buried with AUgustus (Augustus is another son of William and Janet). William 3 died 1913 Wanganui but I don't believe he is Augustus' father. Newspaper reports and other sources show that he was a signalman for many years and he seems to have lived in Wanganui for a long time. His death cert doesn't show any family relationships. William 1 "the rogue" moved around more. Some Wanganui electoral rolls and PO directories show BOTH Williams there at the same time. Some years show William 1 and his son William 2. William 1 said he was 30 when he married Janet in 1866, but I think he could have been younger. I looked at all the William Barkers of a suitable age in the BDM index and by a process of elimination worked out that William 1 was probably the one that died in AUckland in 1922 aged 78. Unfortunately his death cert doesn't show any family either. But he is the only one that fits. My theory is that William 3 could be the grandfather of Augustus and father of William 1. But I'm quite happy for anyone to prove otherwise!
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Hi
We are trying to find the same William Barker. He is our great great grand father. Is there any chance we can get a copy of his marriage certificate and intent to marriage. Have you had any luck in finding any more information on William?
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Hi KiwiBeth
have you got an e-mail address so we can converse, and can share what information we have on William
regards royston123
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