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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jang on Thursday 03 March 16 00:18 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have access to the passenger list for the convict ship, "Mary Anne", which arrived in Port Jackson in 1816? I'm looking for the names of the free passengers.
Jen Willetts' excellent site, Free Settler or Felon" says:
"Free passengers included William Lees (son of convict John Lees, deceased), later described as a sober, industrious man. Wife arrived free on the Northampton; Stephen Milton who became pilot and harbour master at Port Jackson; and Joseph Moss whose occupation was later described as 'dealer'. Barbara Styles; Sarah Hall; George Board, later departed on the Mary (4); Mary Ann Robinson and two year old daughter Elizabeth."
I'm looking for the names of the rest, particularly Sarah Hall's children, and any other woman named Sarah.
Jan
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I doubt that there would be a passenger list as such. The information would have been gleaned from musters, 1828 census, and Colonial Sec's Correspondence.
The 1825 muster shows Sarah HALL, came free (Mary Anne) 1816, wife of William HALL, Sydney.
The 1828 census has bracketed together:
William HALL, 45, Ticket of Leave, ship Ocean, 1816, Life, Catholic, Settler, Baulkham Hills.
Sarah HALL, 39, came free, ship Mary Ann, 1814, Catholic (second record says Protestant)
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra, that's a pity. :-(
The reason I'm looking is that there was a Sarah Hall (nee Brooks) who came free on the "Mary Ann" in 1816 to join her husband, Thomas Hall (Ocean, 1816). He died in 1821.
The William Hall you found was Thomas's brother. His wife, Sarah, also appears in the 1822 muster as Sarah Hall, came free, Mary Ann, wife of William Hall, Ocean, life, labourer, Parramatta)
Very confusing! Are they one and the same Sarah Hall? It seems unlikely as the one who married Thomas Hall, remarried in 1822, to William Jones and appears in the 1828 census with him.
That's why I'm trying to find out if there were 2 Sarah Halls on the "Mary Anne" in 1816. :-)
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In a round about way I may have some answers. I am not sure yet, but I will share some info across several posts. ... Basically I have some notes that date from research undertaken by one of my Great Grandparents who was born in the 1850s. They were basing it on their parents oral history. I have, across the decades since becoming interested in family history (late 1950s) of course validated much of it, and with the popularity of commercial website dedicated to uploading not just submitted trees, but also actual images of official records .... well ... I am able to re-validate much of my own research, and that of my ancestors too.
I am not a descendant of anyone who arrived on the Mary Anne 1816.
Cheers, JM
NSW Col Sec Papers 1788-1825 are currently displayed at Ancestry as part of a partnership arrangement with NSW State Records.
From the Index
http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/l/F33c_le-ll-04.htm#P1981_54759
3 July 1820
A petition to Governor Lachlan Macquarie
from William Lees of the Mary Ann 1816, came free, son of John Lees, deceased
William Lees wife arrived free per Northampton 1815
That your Petitioner has a family of three children, and to provide for them his future views lead him to expect a permanent residence in this colony, respectfully solicits that your Excellency will be pleased to give him a Grant of Land and such other Indulgencies as in your Excellencies Judgement he may be deserving of.
In separate handwriting, William Cowper notes “I believe the petitioner to be a sober and industrious man”
(William Cowper was one of the NSW Chaplains appointed by the Governor).
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/cowper-william-1929
July 1824
Letter from William Lees of the Mary Ann 1816, Came free,
… That your Excellencys petitioner received a grant of One hundred acres of Brush Land from his Excellency Governor Macquarie, which grant, your Petitioner, has, by his industrious exertions nearly clearly, having 50 acres under cultivation, supporting a wife and four children. …
Thus your Excellencys Petitioner has, thru’ careful industry, increased his stock of cattle to Sixty and as petitioners present farm from local circumstance, is unable to main that number, ….. Petitioner most humbly hopes Your Excellency will be please to locate to him such quantity of Land as Your excellency may consider him deserving of from the recommendations of the undersigned and which indulgence Petitioner as is duty bound and ever pray.
JM notes there’s two signatures as referees. These are similar to the signatures of Thos MOORE and Robt CARTWRIGHT.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/moore-thomas-2476
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/cartwright-robert-1882
So I will continue looking for each of the names you have mentioned, and type up some notes :)
Cheers, JM
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Stephen MILTON, definitely noted as on the Mary Ann of 1816, and definitely became Harbour Master.
See the Colonial Sec Papers linked earlier. His wife (Elizabeth Milton, formerly chudleigh) arrived on the Mary Ann, but she was transported under a sentence of 7 years. By 1825 he was on lists of Grants of Land, and was a Licensed Victualler, and residing in Princes St Sydney (this street was resumed to make way for the Sydney Harbour Bridge, it ran to the Harbour).
He died in July 1826. Stephen MILTON, Free, Mariner, of Sydney, buried 11 July 1826 by Rev John Dunmore Lang, burial registered in the Scots Church register.
Cheers, JM
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Joseph MOSS
some of the Musters, including the 1828 Census seem to have him as arriving on Christiana in 1823 but the Col Sec papers seem to have him as arriving Mary Ann 1816, including on letters in May 1823 and May 1825. But on a letter in Sept 1825, the correspondence can be confusing. By Nov 1825 it is clear that he arrived on the Mary Ann, and was a Dealer, and qualified to serve Jury duty in Sydney.
10 August 1826 he remarried (the letter Sept 1825 is about his widowhood).
Joseph MOSS aged 33, Widower, of Sydney, Dealer (signed) and
Rebecca BYRNE aged 22, spinster, of Sydney (signed)
married by Banns by Rev Richard HILL.
Witnesses: John ROBERTS of Castlereagh St (signed) and
Isabella MOSS of Cumberland St (signed)
Rebecca, wife of Joseph MOSS died 30 Sept 1832, aged 27 years. C of E, Sydney Burial Ground
Cheers, JM
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Barbara STYLES
A marriage for a lass on the Mary Ann, and notice the witnesses
10 June 1816
Charles SOMMERS aged 29, Free, of Parramatta (signed) and
Ann RADFORD aged 20, per the Mary Ann, of Parramatta married by Banns
by Rev Samuel MARSDEN
Witnesses
Thomas STYLES (X mark)
Barbara STYLES (X mark)
Thomas STYLES, senior, a married man, per the mary Ann 1816, came as head of a family, himself, his son in law Alexander McDONALD, and his daughter Mary (McDonald). Barbara STYLES had also come free on the Mary Ann of 1816 and she was the daughter of Alexander and Mary McDONALD who I read as coming on that same voyage .... As I read it, Barbara's children petititioned in Dec 1821 for her return from Newcastle. (Henry, Thomas, Mary were her children) And by Nov 1823, Rev G A Middleton was requesting that Barbara be assigned to him.
Cheers, JM
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Sarah HALL
Well to confuse the picture further...
There was also a Sarah HALL on the Lord Melville of 1817. She was about 20 years of age.
Sarah HALL born about 1789, died 1872 at Singleton, had arrived per Mary Ann 1816. She married William JONES, a convict on the Baring.
Sept 1822, Sarah HALL, per Mary Ann Came Free was on the Muster as wife of W JAMES, of Sydney. May I mention here, that the NSW Governor at that time was Lachlan Macquarie. He was a Scotsman, and so it is logical that as he was establishing the administrative system to handle the influx of convicted persons, that he may have been influenced by the Scotish tradition of females being known by their 'own' names rather than taking on the surname of their male partners. Anyway, in the Macquarie era, many females (convict and otherwise) were recorded by the surname under which they had arrived, regardless of any marriage after their arrival. I see no difference between W James and W Jones as that Sarah's husband. Simply that the person recording the information has heard a different accent and given a different interpretation to the oral information supplied.
So perhaps by the 1828 Census, it is Sarah HALL noted as aged 39, arriving per Mary Ann 1814, came free, with her husband as William HALL, and they are at Baulkham Hills, perhaps with Sarah as Overseer ad some assigned convicts.
I cannot confirm that Sarah died Singleton 1872, only that there's a mention in my notes that others say this is so.
Does this help or hinder ::)
Fingers crossed
Cheers, JM
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Sept 1825 Muster :)
William JONES born 1825, born in the colony, residing Richmond NSW, son of Sarah HALL :)
John HALL, aged 7, born in the colony, residing Richmond NSW, son of Sarah HALL :)
May 1822
William JONES of the Ship Baring of 1815, sought permission to marry Sarah HALL, at Sydney (Col Sec Papers)
Note also,
there was a Sarah HALL, tried 28 July 1806, Life, to Sydney on the Sydney Cove 1807. (Convicted Maidstone) In the Muster of Nov 1814, there's Sarah HALL, per the Sydney Cove, a Convict, with her husband T SIMS at Sydney and they are both "off stores"
theres a Sarah HALL, tried 5 Dec 1804 at Middlesex, 7 year sentence arriving per William Pitt April 1806.
And, (I apologise for the dis-jointed info) I think the Sarah HALL, per the Lord Melville of 1817 went to Van Diemen's Land some time between August 1820 and Feb 1824 (I have not validated that).
1824 some time
On the Sept 1825 Muster, Sarah HALL who arrived per the Indispensable of 1796 and was free by servitude died during 1824. She was the wife of a J ONSLIFF. (I have not validated that marriage)
Susannah, daughter of Thomas and Sarah HALL, born 15 May, 1817 Sydney , baptised 22 June 1817, baptism registered in the St Philips C of E, Sydney.
John, son of Thomas HALL, and Sarah, born 24 August 1819, Sydney, and baptised 26 August 1821, registered St Philips C of E, Sydney
Martha, dau of Thomas HALL and Sarah, born 19 July 1821 Sydney, and baptised 26 August 1821 (same as her brother John), registered St Philips C of E, Sydney
Cheers, JM
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17 June 1822
William JONES aged 35, Bachelor of Sydney, a Labourer, (Signed X) and
Sarah HALL, aged 35, a Widow, of Sydney (Signed X) were married by Banns.
The marriage was registered in St Philips, Sydney, by William Cowper
Witnesses were Jacob ISAACS (signed X) and Esther ISAACS (signed)
Cheers, JM
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JM, Thanks for the info you've unearthed. It looks like the Col Sec Papers were the source of the info on Jen Willetts' site.
I agree, William James/William Jones are one and the same.
You can see my dilemma - Sarah Hall (nee Brooks), wife of Thomas Hall, arrived on the Mary Ann in 1816 to join her husband. (Three children with her, Mary Ann, Sophia and Harriet, the other 3 you found born here.) Thomas drowned in 1821, Sarah married William Jones 1822, William Jones died 1867, Sarah Jones died 1872, both buried in unmarked graves in Fordwich Cemetery - I have their death certificates. And William Hall is also buried there. He died in 1849.
Thanks for finding other possibilities for the other Sarah Hall, wife of William Hall - the problem is that the various census/musters say she came free on the Mary Ann in either 1814 (there was no voyage that year) or 1816 - the same ship that Sarah Brooks/Hall/Jones came on.
Cheers
Jan
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Yes, it is a dilemma.
Yes, it is very likely that Jen's finds were based on Col Sec Papers. That set has been available for decades.
Agh, they were a Bi-centennial project
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/colonial-secretarys-correspondence-guide/introduction/introduction#the-publication-of-the
I wonder if seeking William HALL and Sarah (Baulkham Hills 1828 Census) will help separate out some of the details.
I will try that.
After the 1788-1825 series,
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/colonial-secretarys-correspondence-guide/introduction/introduction#the-letters-received-and
then there's 1826- 1966 series
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/colonial-secretarys-correspondence-guide/colonial-secretarys-correspondence and several indexes there too.
Cheers, JM
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Err
How many chaps named William HALL were around in the 1810s and 1820s .... lots
William HALL, came free per Anne Feb 1810, a Missionary, came with his wife. Noticing ship of arrival includes the word "Anne" ::)
Oct 1814 muster, William Hall, per Anne 2, came free, missionary, mustering at Parramatta, off stores
Sept 1825, William Hall, per Ann 1810, Landholder, Sydney.
1828 Census
William Hall, 50 Protestant, at Melville and Cooke (so JM notes this is in the area west of Blacktown towards Emu Plains/Penrith) He owns the land, 2 horses, 161 cattle, and he is a School Master. His wife is Dina HALL aged 50, who came free per Anne 1810.
With them are their children. ..... You need to be good with mental Arthurmagictrickerals here ....
Dina Hall, aged 13 (1828-13 = 1815, remember her mum and her dad arrived 1810) arrived per Vansittart, came free, protestant, daughter of William Hall,
Henry Hall, aged 9, protestant, arrived per Boddington 1824, son of William Hall arrived per Boddington 1824
John Hall, aged 7 protestant, arrived per Boddington 1824, came free, son of William Hall
The above family is obviously NOT your Sarah HALL but I am including them (there are other families too,) as they are in the 1828 census as a family group and there's something wrong in the chronology data.
1828 Nov Census
Sarah and William HALL, Baulkham Hills. (perhaps died 1872, Singleton NSW):
Sarah HALL, 39, Protestant, per Mary Ann 1814, came free, wife of William Hall, residing Baulkham Hills.
William Hall, 45, TofL, Life, Ocean 1816, settler, Catholic.
Notice that William Hall signed the document and the signature was witnessed by James Elliott.
Jacobus A Erasmus, 36, Catholic per Mary 1827, y years, Overseer to Mrs Hall,
Hugh Sinclair 24, Protestant, per Mangles 1827, 14 years, servant to Mrs Hall.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G961-QY2H?mode=g&i=42&wc=3F9D-DPV%3A1584015501%3Fcc%3D2177300&cc=2177300
and
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L961-QBWP?mode=g&i=36&wc=3F9D-DPV%3A1584015501%3Fcc%3D2177300&cc=2177300
Cheers, JM
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Is this the tragic loss of Thomas HALL, husband of your Sarah?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2180271 Sydney Gaz 19 May 1821.
Cheers, JM
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Yes, poor Sarah was left with five children and a sixth on the way.
Thanks for pointing out William's signature on the 1828 census - I hadn't noticed that :-)
Sorry I forgot to mention that Thomas and William Hall both came out on the Ocean in 1816.
Jan
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Some more about the 'other' William Hall family from the 1828 Census.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2214820 Sydney Gazette 21 Nov 1833. That William Hall, a School Master, there had been a tragedy for the family.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12843148 Sydney Herald 13 June 1831, the lad had been vaccinated here in Sydney, and was in England being educated, but succumbed to small pox.
I am including these cuttings and sightings of the 'other' William Hall, to help reduce confusion with any sightings of William and/or Sarah HALL of Baulkham Hills.
Even in 2016, Baulkham Hills is not that far from Blacktown. Western Road across to Windsor Road via Seven Hills from as early as late 1790s ....
Cheers, JM
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http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=7902272 Memorial mentioning the 1849 burial of William HALL, Fordwich Cemetery
Cheers, JM.
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William Jones and Sarah Brooks/Hall/Jones are there too!
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;D
Agh, I remembered that you had mentioned that, and yet, when I looked last night at the plaque .... I could not see them. I see them now. :)
Cheers, JM
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Yes, poor Sarah was left with five children and a sixth on the way.
Thanks for pointing out William's signature on the 1828 census - I hadn't noticed that :-)
Sorry I forgot to mention that Thomas and William Hall both came out on the Ocean in 1816.
Jan
Thomas and Sarah Hall were my ggg grandparents...William Hall died at Broke in 1849..Sarah died in 1872 as Sarah Jones....I was wondering how you know Harriet came on the Mary Ann and not born at sea as it says on her death certificate..
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Hi Barry,
;D Welcome to RootsChat ;D
Harriet was admitted to the orphan school in June 1821 aged 6.
The application by Sarah JONES wife of William JONES to take the children out of the orphan school states the children's ages as Sophia HALL, 14, Harriet, 12, and Susanna, 10. The memorial is not dated but the previous one in the book is dated 28 Dec 1826.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=74
I am guessing that Harriet was possibly born onboard the Mary Anne which makes both statements true - she was born at sea and arrived on the Mary Anne.
Debra :)
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Hi, welcome from me too.
I agree with Debra, a baby born at sea would arrive on same vessel as her mum. One of my ancestors was born at sea, 'just off the coast of New South Wales'. The record of her Wesleyan baptism even shows the name of the ship on the original parish register, but the ship's name is not on the transmitted record written up by one of the NSW Chaplains in the Church of England parish register. So it can be worthwhile seeking out the original registers for the bdm events from the 1810s.
JM
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Hi Barry,
;D Welcome to RootsChat ;D
Harriet was admitted to the orphan school in June 1821 aged 6.
The application by Sarah JONES wife of William JONES to take the children out of the orphan school states the children's ages as Sophia HALL, 14, Harriet, 12, and Susanna, 10. The memorial is not dated but the previous one in the book is dated 28 Dec 1826.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=74
I am guessing that Harriet was possibly born onboard the Mary Anne which makes both statements true - she was born at sea and arrived on the Mary Anne.
Debra :)
Harriet was born prior to coming to Australia, and not at sea..The information on the death certificate was given by Thomas Barr Harriets nephew who got about three things wrong on the information he gave..One bit of incorrect information was that Thomas Hall was a soldier...
7 Dec'. 1814, County Woolwich Kent.Baptism Date:22 Jan 1815, Parish or Poor Law Union, Woolwich St Mary Magdalene...Died:05 Jun 1880..Stockyard Creek, Paynes Crossing.NSW. Buried:Buried Anglican Section, Wollombi Cemetery, 7th June 1880..
I wasn't until 2012 I discovered the baptism record..
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Yes I did see that baptism and it would suit a bit better with her age if it fits with what you know about where Thomas and Sarah were at that time.
Debra :)
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Hi Barry,
I know Harriet was baptised in Woolwich - you gave me the details a couple of years ago, around the time we discovered Sarah Hall nee Brookes' baptism :-)
Sary BROOKS, father George, mother Sarah, on 25 April 1784 at St Mary Magdalene Woolwich.
Jan
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Hi Barry,
I know Harriet was baptised in Woolwich - you gave me the details a couple of years ago, around the time we discovered Sarah Hall nee Brookes' baptism :-)
Sary BROOKS, father George, mother Sarah, on 25 April 1784 at St Mary Magdalene Woolwich.
Jan
I didn't realise it was you, I was only going over some more of it last night..