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Title: george fredrick davidson
Post by: offroad on Saturday 05 March 16 23:20 GMT (UK)
morning I need some help I try to help my father in-law trace his family.he's brother died mid last year and had found lots of the family history but it's no were to be seen. So here we go I have George Fredrick Davidson born 6 Jan 1911 possible in London? mother died at child birth?father in the Black watch? marry Lilian May John in fulham 1938 and live in Watford. If you can help I thank you.
Offroad
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 00:06 GMT (UK)
Associated post here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743306.msg5900717#msg5900717

As he was born before the 1911 census - have you looked for him on that census?

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mother died at child birth?

If you check freebmd you will find his birth was registered in the Westminster RD and there is a match on the free 1911 index in Westminster which will give you his parents names/ birthyears/birthplaces.  His mother was alive at the time of the census

The 1911 is copyright protected so lookups are not allowed

www.freebmd.org.uk

If you have a copy of the 1938 marriage cert - what was his fathers name?
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: ColC on Sunday 06 March 16 10:49 GMT (UK)
George F Davidson born Q1/1911 – Volumne 1a, page 434

The birth was registered Westminster, London you can apply to the General Records Office for a certificate.

Born 6 Jan 1911 Died Dec 2005 Watford, Hertfordshire, age 94.

None on the 1911 census seem to fit with your information.

Colin
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 06 March 16 10:56 GMT (UK)
You say you think that his mother died as he was born.
There are no female Davidson deaths in either March or June 1/4 of 1911 that fit age wise.
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 11:03 GMT (UK)
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None on the 1911 census seem to fit with your information

From my reply above

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and there is a match on the free 1911 index in Westminster which will give you his parents names/ birthyears/birthplaces.  His mother was alive at the time of the census

The 1911 is copyright protected so lookups are not allowed
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 11:26 GMT (UK)
There is a marriage on freebmd in 1909 between a Harry George Davidson and an Ethel Hawkins who may be his parents

Also this from FS

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW21-W91
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: groom on Sunday 06 March 16 11:42 GMT (UK)
Possibly an older child from that marriage?

Births Mar 1910   
DAVIDSON    Harry William       
Westminster    1a   427   
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 11:50 GMT (UK)
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Possibly an older child from that marriage?

Quite likely - but not with parents in 1911
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: groom on Sunday 06 March 16 11:53 GMT (UK)
There is a death of an Ethel Davidson aged 28  in Chelsea in September quarter 1915. However I can't see the birth of a baby about that time, but of course it could be a stillbirth.
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 06 March 16 11:54 GMT (UK)
Possibly an older child from that marriage?

Births Mar 1910   
DAVIDSON    Harry William       
Westminster    1a   427

A Harry William Davidson age 5 was admitted twice  in 1913 to Westminster Workhouse.   His father is listed as Harry Davidson of 160 Newport Buildings
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: groom on Sunday 06 March 16 11:55 GMT (UK)
Possibly an older child from that marriage?

Births Mar 1910   
DAVIDSON    Harry William       
Westminster    1a   427

A Harry William Davidson age 5 was admitted twice  in 1913 to Westminster Workhouse.   His father is listed as Harry Davidson of 160 Newport Buildings

All fits as George was also admitted.
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 06 March 16 12:08 GMT (UK)
Has anyone found a Harry Davidson in the Black Watch though,don't you have to be Scottish to serve in that regiment?

We really need to hear from Offroad if he/she has a copy of the 1938 marriage cert and if so what other useful info is on it.

Carol
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: groom on Sunday 06 March 16 12:38 GMT (UK)
That Harry appears to be the youngest son of Joyce Davidson who is widow in 1891 living with her 4 children at Newport Dwellings, Shaftesbury Avenue, St Anne Soho, Westminster.

RG12 Piece number   88 Folio   230 Page   27
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 12:46 GMT (UK)
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father in the Black watch?

Where has that info come from??

Previous thread asks whether you have a copy of the 1938 marriage cert

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743306.msg5900717#msg5900717

Other posters please note - Offroad lives in Oz so allow for time difference for replies

Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 06 March 16 14:27 GMT (UK)
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father in the Black watch?

Where has that info come from??

Previous thread asks whether you have a copy of the 1938 marriage cert

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743306.msg5900717#msg5900717

Other posters please note - Offroad lives in Oz so allow for time difference for replies

That link is the one to George's wife,in it you mention that she seems to have been born in 1922.
Nothing asking if the OP has the 1938 marriage cert? That makes Lilian very young to be marrying in 1938  :)

Carol
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 16:43 GMT (UK)
Hi

This is the marriage

Marriages September qtr 1938   
George F Davidson/Lilian M John    Fulham    1a   1123    
     
 
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 16:52 GMT (UK)
From other thread re: Lilian John

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She marry a George Fredrick Davidson in fulham in 1938.she pass away in watford 1980?

The only Lilian May Davidson death in 1980 was in Northumberland and she was born in 1905

George Frederick Davidson born 6.1.1911 died 2005 Watford

I think you have the wrong Lilian here and really need to buy a copy of the 1938 marriage cert to establish ages and fathers names
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 17:01 GMT (UK)
George Frederick Davidson died 12.12.2005 and left a will

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 17:10 GMT (UK)
A Lillian May Davidson born 26.10.1921 died in 1998 in Surrey but there is no birth reg to connect her to your Lilian (Lillian)

I think you need to start with what you know for certain is correct - probably the 1938 marriage cert - and work backwards from the info on it. 

There are quite a few Davidson births between 1939-1950 with a mothers maiden name of John.  You can use freebmd to find the christian names to confirm they are the family you are researching

www.freebmd.org.uk
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 March 16 17:16 GMT (UK)
Births September qtr 1907

Lilian May John     Pontypridd  11a   620

Deaths

Lilian May Davidson born 28.6.1907 Death June 1989  Hillingdon Middlesex Vol   13 Pge 789
 
This info has been posted on your other thread as well for continuity and to save any duplicated effort
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 10 March 16 17:52 GMT (UK)
3 pages of replies here and 2 pages of replies on linked post

Nothing from OP ???
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: groom on Thursday 10 March 16 18:03 GMT (UK)
3 pages of replies here and 2 pages of replies on linked post

Nothing from OP ???

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Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: offroad on Friday 11 March 16 09:13 GMT (UK)
I would like thank everyone with there help, life for me has gone nuts!! I will be sating down for a close look Sunday Melbourne time I have asked father in-law family in Watford to find the marriage cert to help with dates.
offroad
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: offroad on Friday 11 March 16 09:28 GMT (UK)
HI everyone The black watch information can form the family. the information i was told me by my farther in-law that there grand father was base in London with the regiment. he family come form Scotland.
thank you all
offroad
Title: Re: george fredrick davidson
Post by: offroad on Sunday 30 December 18 10:43 GMT (UK)
hello everyone long time between drinks life has a way to pass by I am sorry. What I have found out from the father-in-law He had a uncle harry(that match up some information) and his father( youngest child) for some reason was farm out to a aunt?. What side of family I don't know George married Lilian may john in 1938. Her dob is 1907 in wales died in 1989 in Watford. The family possible come from Perthshire Scotland that black watch I cannot confirm any links possible grand father?. The work house is a real possibilities that put family in the dark. I would like thank-you with this search