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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Cas (stallc) on Tuesday 08 March 16 02:29 GMT (UK)
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94N-T4D8?mode=g&i=284&wc=SMDQ-3TL%3A1078303001%3Fcc%3D2346275&cc=2346275
Could some kind person inform me of the above link. My GGG grandfather was Thomas Baggot/Baggott/Bagot. In 1901 Irish census he is down as aged 50, with two dau. What was the purpose of extracted census? Is it possible this is him, no age given, but there is 4yrs written by whoever prossessed. These parents have the same names of two of his children. Is there an original census beside extracts?
Thanks if you can help
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Hi,
If you look on this webpage (on the link below) you'll see that the census for 1851 were lost in a fire.
The image is of a Treasury Form. According to the web page, this form was made out when the person applied for a Pension and his/her details were checked with the 1851 Census Return. Possibly the 4 years means that the applicant either lived at that address for four years or hasn't worked for four years?
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/research_and_records_held/records_not_held_in_proni.htm
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Thanks for the info.
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You're welcome. I hadn't known those records existed until I saw your post, so thank you.
I'm currently floundering about in Wales trying to sort out my O.H.s Irish McCarthy ancestors and when I saw your link I looked through another set for Cork and noticed that their form seemed to relate to their Customs Office and were dated 1910 - 1912 and for the most part each applicant had duplicate forms which showed that officialdom checked both the 1841 and the 1851 census. Whereas your link showed the form was dated 6th June 1921 and the few that I looked at just seemed to check the applicant's details with the 1851 census.
I shouldn't have been but I was surprised to see the applicants didn't just live in Ireland but had addresses in the USA and London, England, which isn't surprising I suppose because those countries would have had to check on information too.
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Glad you found the link of interest. I kinda understand what it was about now. Hardly think it was my guy as he would have been over 70...cannot locate in 1911 both his dau had moved on and he was widowed before 1901. Thought I may have found something.
Where in Wales are your McCarthys located?
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You can see the date he applied...1921, when aged 70, so what's there is him from what was on 1851 Census check (return)
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http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp for Southern Ireland!
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7q/ is McCarthys from Cork who applied!
By Cork I mean the address they said they lived at in 1841 or 51 so Census can be checked!
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Thank you for the information, it could well be him....cannot find him in 1911 so presumed deceased. Will keep on file.
Cas
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did you note there is only one Thomas Baggott in 1901 and also in 1911
both live in Kilcooley
In 1901 Thomas looks as if he's struggling to sign his name and it looks like the constable filled out the form for him, in 1911 he signs with his mark x
his age is way off in 1911
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Kilcroan/Kilcooley/1382173/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Kilcroan/Kilcooley/460290/
house numbers are enumerators numbers not actual address
his neighbour in 1901 is Luke Coen
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000820064/
as he is in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002398209/
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Thank you for finding the 1911, the age is off, that's why I could not locate. I think I need to obtain the marriage cert to confirm if his father is pat, he married Mary Hurley from the children's bapts.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQH-S22
Are there any index to find out death year...it maybe post 1921
Thank you so much again for your time and interest :)
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possibly this one 1927
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTJ8-QTY
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That is a very good possible, thank you again for your time and interest. It may very well be him.. I feel a bit sorry for him all alone and quite elderly, don't think he had any contact with his children after they left.
Seems it was only possibly my gg grandmother who outlived him, and she was in lancs. If he was unable to write he may never have known.
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Marriage 1873
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQQ-NMW
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQH-S22
also had a son John
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7u/
Patrick 1879
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDP-SGF
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I have those thanks, they had 4 in all John, Bridget, Patrick and Mary.
Need to get their marriage cert sorted to find out if pat was his father.
Cas
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You can see the date he applied...1921, when aged 70, so what's there is him from what was on 1851 Census check (return)
Yes, I thought he was the correct ancestor too.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7q/ is McCarthys from Cork who applied!
By Cork I mean the address they said they lived at in 1841 or 51 so Census can be checked!
That's a really interesting link Hallmark, but as I was glued to my computer all night until 5.00 a.m. this morning I'll just bookmark it for now.
Last night I was attacking the McCarthy line from a different angle hoping for a bit of daylight. I'm following a Daniel born 1839 in Cardiff, Wales. His parents and older siblings were born in Ireland. The whole family have such common names that there's a big question mark raised whenever I find anything. The added problem is that mother Mary had a short life and the family seem to have moved from Cardiff, so of the many Mary McC which one is she and where did she die. Additionally, Daniel seems to have moved out of the family home as a child Last night I thought I'd see what I could come up with on mother Mary's ancestral line by using the names of her 2nd son Daniel and oldest daughter Emma. I'd already got a list of possible Mary/Patrick marriages which gave the brides surnames/parentage and I thought maybe I could compare names on the Pension list with names on my marriage list. Currently the maiden surname "Power" heads the list.
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321 Wills for you... these died in Cork!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7w/
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321 Wills for you... these died in Cork!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7w/
While this is probably not yours it's an example of what can be found on Irish website!!
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321 Wills for you... these died in Cork!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7w/
While this is probably not yours it's an example of what can be found on Irish website!!
Lovely - thank you - I'm already on the site :-*
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321 Wills for you... these died in Cork!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7w/
While this is probably not yours it's an example of what can be found on Irish website!!
Lovely - thank you - I'm already on the site :-*
Good hunting!! Plus if they died England just put Surname and England in and search
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321 Wills for you... these died in Cork!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7w/
While this is probably not yours it's an example of what can be found on Irish website!!
Lovely - thank you - I'm already on the site :-*
Good hunting!! Plus if they died England just put Surname and England in and search
It was unfruitful but I had a fascinating time doing the search because I found that relevant results also came up when I simply entered a Welsh town instead of a "County" as requested. I got a surprise when I discovered that there's also a "Newport" in Fifeshire, Scotland aswell.
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321 Wills for you... these died in Cork!! http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7w/
While this is probably not yours it's an example of what can be found on Irish website!!
Lovely - thank you - I'm already on the site :-*
Good hunting!! Plus if they died England just put Surname and England in and search
It was unfruitful but I had a fascinating time doing the search because I found that relevant results also came up when I simply entered a Welsh town instead of a "County" as requested. I got a surprise when I discovered that there's also a "Newport" in Fifeshire, Scotland aswell.
It's all pot luck...
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To update, it was indeed the correct Thomas, marriage info obtained, parents named the same as 1851 extract.
Thank you all for the help on this
Regards Cas
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To update, it was indeed the correct Thomas, marriage info obtained, parents named the same as 1851 extract.
Thank you all for the help on this
Regards Cas
So pleased you found the correct one.
Spurred on by your post I made a renewed effort with my "missing" Irish McCarthy's and last night sent off for a couple of death certs. So thanks for opening this thread :)