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Title: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Wednesday 09 March 16 10:24 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I am a new member, looking for informations about my ancestors MACLEOD.

My GdGd father was Kenneth Macleod :

1868 : born in Knock, Lewis (Scotland), son of Kenneth.
1894 : MA (Master of Art) at the Aberdeen's University.
1899 : ordained into the Free Church of Scotland.
1902 : minister of UFC in West Manse Kincardine Ardgay, Ross-Shire.
1947 (march 27) : death in Tain, Ross-Shire.

I am looking for informations about his parents and his wife.

He had a son, John Macleod (born around 1884) who emigrated to South Africa.
He is my Gd father.

Hope to have some contact with someone who knows something more !

Rick48.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 09 March 16 12:07 GMT (UK)
Hello Rick & welcome
Is he this Kenneth MaCloud in 1871
Kenneth Macleod 36 Head occ: oil manufacturer
Christina Macleod 29 Wife (nee Mor(r)ison m. 1861)
Angus Macleod 5
Kenneth Macleod 4
William Macleod 1
Alexander Macleod 40 brother
Christina Mcfarland 20

This looks like father Kenneth & brother Alex in 1851
Vatisker
Address:
Vatisker Road
William Macleod  47 Crofter
 Christy Macleod  42
 Alexander Macleod  20
 Kenneth Macleod  15
 Angus Macleod  13
 Catharine Macleod  11
 John Macleod  8
 William Macleod  5
 Margaret Macleod  3

Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 09 March 16 12:45 GMT (UK)
& I think this is mom in 1851
Vatisker Rd.
Kenneth Morrison  52 Crofter
 Margaret Morrison  45
 Alexander Morrison  21
 Catharine Morrison  17
 Murdo Morrison  16
 Donald Morrison  10
 Christy Morrison 9
 Angus Morrison  3
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Thursday 10 March 16 13:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim,

Thank you for all these informations.
Maybe he is the right person, do you know in what place the 1871 census was done ?

Here is a photo of the roll of graduates of the Aberdeen University, where there are some informations :

(http://)

Good afternoon
Rick
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 10 March 16 17:22 GMT (UK)
1871
Upper Garrabost Road, Lewis.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 10 March 16 21:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Rick

To add to Jim's info above. This is the birth index entry for son Kenneth mentioned above https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79T-K5S

As you can see, birth date matches well, 16 May. The year though 1867 rather than 1868 as you have on the clip you posted .

Your Grandfather John, who headed off to SA. Can you reconfirm his birth year of c 1884. Seems to early if his father was born in 1867.

Monica 

PS: Welcome to RootsChat  :)
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 10 March 16 21:29 GMT (UK)
It was Kenneth & Christina who had a son John in 1884.
New Garrabost 1891
Kenneth Macleod  53
Chirsty Macleod  49
Maggie Macleod  18
Murdo Macleod  16
John Macleod  6

This looks like Kenneth
School, Slaggan 1891
Kenneth Macleod  22 schoolmaster b.Knock
Donald Macleod  12 brother
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Friday 11 March 16 10:17 GMT (UK)
Hello !

Thank you for the informations to my request !

It is very possible kenneth had his son John at a very young age.
We had the birth date of 1884 from the family in SA.
He married Ida Florence Winifred JOHNSON (daughter of archdeacon of Zululand Charles JOHNSON) in 1923 in Kwazulu-Natal.
If you want more informations on that part of the family, I can pass it on !

I found a 1901 census in Laggan (Inverness county).
Kenneth was a visitor, born in Knock, licenfiale of Free Church of Scotland.
It is possible he's the same person !
I attach the document in the post.

Thank you for your welcoming in this forum !

Rick.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Friday 11 March 16 11:32 GMT (UK)
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It is very possible kenneth had his son John at a very young age
Extremely unlikely.
Kenneth would only have been 14 at the time of John's birth so extremely doubtful. It's also highly unlikely that his parents would have brought up a child of someone else's daughter claiming him as a son.
The evidence says Kenneth & Christiana are his parents. She would have been about 43/44 at the time which is the top end for a woman to have a child but this is far more likely than a 13/14 yo fathering one.
It did happen with the offspring of a daughter but I've never seen it with a son.
Have you found John in 1911?
Have you a marriage for him?
What makes you believe Kenneth MA is John's father?
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 11 March 16 11:41 GMT (UK)
If I'm reading this all right, Kenneth b.1867 (not 1868) was John's brother, not his father, and their respective father was Kenneth married to Christy Morrison.

1881 has the family as McLeod.

Annette
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Friday 11 March 16 11:45 GMT (UK)
OK got them
Kenneth McLeod  47
 Chirstin McLeod  40
 Angus McLeod  15
 Kenneth McLeod  13
 Wm McLeod  11
 Maragret McLeod  8
 Madden McLeod  5
 Donald McLeod  3
 Christina McLeod  11 M

So no daughters that could be a possible for John.
Christina seems a very productive mother.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Friday 11 March 16 13:41 GMT (UK)
Yes, 14 is a bit young to have children ...!

Here is the John and Ida's marriage certificate in Zululand in 1923.
He was 38, son of Kenneth.
Another document is a part of Ida's mother's diary (Margaret Emily Jenkinson) which mentions Ida's scotch adress :
c/o Rev Ken. Macleod, Ardgay Ross-Shire Scotland.
It is confirmed by a passengers list from SA to UK in 1923 : look at the page on the right, in the middle.
We made some researches about rev Kenneth Macleod in Ardgay, he was the minister of Kincardine, Ardgay, see the last document.

It's a pity I haven't found the 1911 census in Ardgay, so I don't know anything about his marriage.

It's not easy for me to see Kenneth son of Kenneth who's father is Kenneth ...!! So many Kenneth Macleod !!
My mother is Margaret Christine Macleod, born in SA in 1926.

Rick.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Friday 11 March 16 13:43 GMT (UK)
Ida's scotch adress from the diary
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Friday 11 March 16 13:47 GMT (UK)
The passengers list
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Friday 11 March 16 13:48 GMT (UK)
About Kincardine, Ardgay, Ross-Shire.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Friday 11 March 16 14:44 GMT (UK)
His marriage cert. only says his father is Kenneth so why do you think it's Kenneth MA?
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 11 March 16 14:50 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Can you please give John's Rank or Profession on marriage please as I'm having difficulty reading what it says?

Annie
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 11 March 16 14:55 GMT (UK)
Kenneth MacLeod (who became a Crofter) married Christina Morrison 12/12/1861 (per Scotlands People) - Kenneth bc.1836 son of William MacLeod and Christian MacLeod, Christina dau. of Kenneth Morrison and Margaret McFarlane.

From census/familysearch we know they had the following children:

Angus born 7/8/1865
Kenneth born 16/5/1867
Donald born 24/7/1869 (must have died)
William born circa 1870
Margaret born 9/6/1872
Murdo born circa 1876
Donald born circa 1878
Christina born circa 1880
John born circa 1884

You will only find John's birth on Scotlands People (a pay to view site) BUT there were 8 John MacLeods's registered in Stornaway, Ross & Cromarty in 1884 alone and no way of knowing which one is 'yours' without working through the list.

Mother Christina died in 1892 and looks like Kenneth remarried in 1897 to a Margaret McKay whom he is with in 1901.

So, John (1884) and Kenneth (1867) are brothers, son of Kenneth MacLeod bc.1836 who in turn is the son of a William MacLeod.

Annette

 
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 11 March 16 15:04 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Can you please give John's Rank or Profession on marriage please as I'm having difficulty reading what it says?

Annie

Annie, he is showing as a School Inspector.

Monica
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 11 March 16 15:04 GMT (UK)
Scotlands People shows Kenneth senior was born Sept.1836 and baptised Stornoway 17/1/1838.

Annette
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 11 March 16 15:08 GMT (UK)
Annette, to add to the info with Rev Kenneth and John being brothers, the family in 1891 from what we have already with censuses from Jim:

Kenneth Macleod 53 crofter b. Ross, Vatisker Back (original image would help here to determine place name)
Chirsty Macleod 49 b. Ross, Vatisker Back
Maggie Macleod 18 b. Ross, Garrabots Knock
Murdo Macleod 16 b. Ross, Garrabots Knock
John Macleod 6 b. Ross, Garrabots Knock

Address: New Garrabost, Stornoway Ross

Monica
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 11 March 16 15:12 GMT (UK)
Annie, he is showing as a School Inspector.

Thanks Monica........

I was just wondering with Father Kenneth having such a profession as Rev. that it wasn't mentioned on the marriage but possibly this was the norm?

Annie
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 11 March 16 15:15 GMT (UK)
Annie, with last few posts, I think it has been shown that Rev Kenneth b. 1867 was brother to John born c. 1884-5.  John's parents Kenneth McLeod and Christina Morrison.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 11 March 16 15:17 GMT (UK)
I think this is John's two brothers in 1891:

Kenneth Macleod 22 schoolmaster b. Knock Lear, Rossshire
Donald Macleod 12 brother b. Knock Lear, Rossshire

Address: School, Slaggan, Gairloch Northern, Ross

Monica
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Friday 11 March 16 15:23 GMT (UK)
This looks like John in lodgings in Stornaway 1901
34 Church St Court
Flora Kennedy  39
Mary Kennedy  44
George Mackay  28
John Macleod  17
John Macleod  16 scholar

To be a inspector of schools he would have had an extended education.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Friday 11 March 16 16:42 GMT (UK)
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His marriage cert. only says his father is Kenneth so why do you think it's Kenneth MA?

I have supposed that, because of the Ida's scottish adress written on my GdGd mother's diary (Margaret Emily Jenkinson), the same as written on the passengers's list (see attachments).
It is more than possible Kenneth MA and John are brothers.

Thanks a lot for searching on this side, wait for the next ... :)
Carry on ... we are a bit lost in the Macleod's ocean !

Rick.

 
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: jim1 on Friday 11 March 16 17:32 GMT (UK)
You now have John's family going back to his Grandparents on both sides, so I think you need to carry on from there.
Title: Re: MACLEOD family
Post by: rick48 on Saturday 12 March 16 13:18 GMT (UK)
Hello !

MERCI beaucoup !
Yes, I live in France ...

Thanks to you all for helping me to find what you have found for me.

Now I can carry on !

If I need help, I will ask you !
And welcome to France.

Rick.