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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: SamnJoan on Wednesday 09 March 16 15:27 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to find details of Daniel Love who owned New Farm Chieveley at his death abt 1870.
I have a valuation of his house and farm carried out by Wm Simmons & Sons, Henley on Thames on 29th September 1870, on behalf of his executors: John Henry George Love (who I am also unable to trace), Barnard Body Deane and Richard Wernham.
My 2x g grandmother was a Sarah Love 1804-? who was married to George Deane 1806-1873 (Barnard Body Deane's parents). They are also proving to be elusive. My great grandmother was Elizabeth Wernham (nee Deane), Barnard Body Dean's sister.
Can anyone help please?
Joan
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Possible 1861 -
Daniel Love unm 51 b. Silchester, Hampshire. Farmer of 142 acres
Mary Horten sister 65
Eliza Goodchild 13
Azar Armstrong 13
Henry May 18
John Ballard 63
RG 9 Piece 722 Folio 33 Page 16, Chieveley
JJ
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1871 -
John H G Love 29 b. Sathamstead, Berkshire. Farmer of 150, employing 4 men and 3 boys
Frances J Leppard serv 18
Charles Vines serv 16
RG10 Piece 1275 Folio 68 Page 15, Boot Farm
I think Sathamstead is most likely Sulhamstead :)
JJ
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Probate index Entry
The Will of Daniel Love late of Chievely in the county of Berks Yeoman deceased who died 14 July 1870 at Chiveley was proved by oaths of Bernard Body Deane of Broadmoor Farm Wokingham in the county aforesaid Yeoman and John Henry George Love of Boot and Berry's Farm Bradfield in the county aforesaid yeoman the nephews and Richard Wernham of Chiveley yeoman the executors
So Bernard Body Deane and John Henry George Love were Daniel Love's nephews.
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1871
Broadmoor, Sandhurst
Bernard Body Dean 43 farm baliff bn Shinfield Berks
Elizabeth J dean 28 wife bn Paddington
Robert 12 son bn Reading
Ernest 10 son bn Sonning Berks
Bernard 2 bn Sandhurst
clearly a second marriage
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1851 -
David Love 59
Mary Love 58
Mary Ann Love 25
Thomas Love 18
David John Love 16
John Henry George Love nephew 7
David White 16
Edward Barker 15
John Halton 28
Charles Halton 8
HO107 Piece 1691 Folio 372 Page 19, Bradfield
JJ
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1861
Sonning Street, Sonning
Bernard B Deane 33 widower Butcher (master employing 1 man) bn Shinfield
Elizabeth A Heath 13 dtr in law bn Oxford
Joseph E Heath 11 son in law bn Oxford
Robert C Deane 2 bn Sonning
Ernest F Deane 9 mths bn Sonnnig
Elizabeth Eyre 63 widow mother in law House and land owner bn Sonning
+ couple of servants
So, looks like previous wife had herself been married before! (dtr in law and son in law meaning step dtr and step son)
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1851 (as transcribed) -
Daniel Love 39 b. Silchester, Berkshire
Barnard Doane nephew 23 b. Shinfield, Berkshire
Elizabeth Doane niece 14 b. Shinfield, Berkshire
Mary Ann Painten serv 16
HO107 Piece 1685 Folio 585 Page 35
JJ
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1851 Chiveley
Daniel Love 39 farmer
Bernard Deane 23 nephew bn Shinfield
Elizabeth Deane 14 niece
Hmm , we now have found 2 Daniel Loves in 1851? One with each of the nephews!!! One must be a great nephew I guess, and one Daniel the father of the other?
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Hmm , we now have found 2 Daniel Loves in 1851? One with each of the nephews!!! One must be a great nephew I guess, and one Daniel the father of the other?
One is a David and the other is Daniel on the 1851 :)
JJ
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1841 (as transcribed)-
Harry Horton 60
Mary Horton 45
Barnard Denne 13
Fanny Denne 11
Elizabeth Denne 9
Eliza Bath 19
Charles Purvey 20
John Painter 15
William Chandler 10
Abcolom Heather 10
Bradfield.
JJ
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Hi JJ & lizdb
Many thanks for your replies.
Daniel Love, Silchester sounds like a definite possible, JJ, especially as two of his executors were nephews - as found out by lizdb. Do you think that John H G Love may have been in Sulhampstead (not Sathampstead) JJ as I have Deanes there ???
lizdb the information about Daniel Love's Will has sorted out some of the family connections for me, thankyou. I too had come to the conclusion that Barnard Body Deane's wife Elizabeth J was his second wife, as he was on the 1861 census as widower, but I haven't found a record of his first marriage yet.
Joan
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Hi again JJ
That's the Deane family Barnard, Fanny and Elizabeth on the 1841 census. Isn't it frustrating that the '41 census doesn't given relationships, as I have no idea who the Hortons were. I have a mystery as to why the three siblings stayed together, but not with their parents. Father George died in 1873, but I can't find a death for his wife Susan Love b1804. I wonder if their father had a second wife and they didn't get on ???
Joan
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Hi Lizdb & JJ
Thanks for explaining the son/daughter in law being step children.
So John Henry George Love was David Love's nephew. I wonder who his parents were ::)
Joan
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Hi Joan,
I think you will find that Mary Horton is the sister of Daniel Love as per the 1861 census.
JJ
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Looking at the 1841 image there is Daniel Love (30) and Henry Love (40) living at the same residence as the Horton's.
Quite a close knit family :) :)
JJ
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Baptism of Daniel Love -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVKT-T4L
Baptism of 'your' Sarah -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ35-1W5
Therefore it would appear that Daniel and Sarah are brother and sister.
Baptism of Mary Horton nee Love -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN9Q-QMC
JJ
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Hi JJ
Thanks for that. I'm wondering if my 2x g grandmother Sarah Love was their sister ??? Maybe John Henry George Love was Henry's son ???
Joan
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I have a mystery as to why the three siblings stayed together, but not with their parents. Father George died in 1873, but I can't find a death for his wife Susan Love b1804. I wonder if their father had a second wife and they didn't get on ???
Joan
Was George Deane a policeman? If so this would be him on the 1841 with his second wife (married in q4 1837, Reading) and two children.
George Deane 35 Police Officer
Susannah Deane 30
George Deane 2
Mary Deane 1
Living in Newbury, Berkshire.
So perhaps your theory is correct that George's children from his first marriage were not welcome to stay with his new family.
Cannot see a death for Sarah (nee Love) which should be between the birth of Elizabeth (1832) and George's 2nd marriage in 1837. ???
JJ
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Hi JJ
I saw that George Love in Reading and wondered the same thing, but can't find any record of mine being a policeman before that.
Thankyou for finding that Sarah and Daniel were brother and sister, and presumably Mary Horton was their sister. If John Henry George Love was a nephew of Daniel Love there must have been another brother or two, as he was also a nephew of David Love in the 1851 census that you found.
Joan
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Hi lizdb
Probate index Entry
The Will of Daniel Love late of Chievely in the county of Berks Yeoman deceased who died 14 July 1870 at Chiveley was proved by oaths of Bernard Body Deane of Broadmoor Farm Wokingham in the county aforesaid Yeoman and John Henry George Love of Boot and Berry's Farm Bradfield in the county aforesaid yeoman the nephews and Richard Wernham of Chiveley yeoman the executors
So Bernard Body Deane and John Henry George Love were Daniel Love's nephews.
Is there any record of Daniel Love's actual Will that I could access?
Joan
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Hi Joan,
Link to Probate record for Daniel -
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=love&yearOfDeath=1870&page=6#calendar
To download a copy of the will it will cost you £10, the link below explain how to obtain a copy -
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Support/Help
The best way to find the parents of John Henry George Love would be to purchase his birth cert -
John Henry George Love
q2 1843, Bradfield, Berkshire
Vol 6 Page 139
JJ
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Hi JJ
Many thanks for that and for all the help you have given me :)
Joan
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You are very welcome :)
Have just noticed that there is a newspaper article for John Henry George Love's marriage at St. Mary's, Kingsclere to Mary, eldest daughter of Charles Triggs. It states that John H. G Love was the only son of John Henry George Love late of Home Farm, Bradfield.
Unfortunately I do not have subs for FindMyPast so unable to access the full article but hopefully the above should be of interest.
JJ
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My daughter lives in Chieveley and I can remember looking at two books I her bookcase about the History of the village .Lots of pictures and names mentioned.I can't remember the titles though but I'm sure there would be information on the Internet and you might be able to get them through library exchange,
Ringrose
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Hi Ringrose
Thanks for that, they sound interesting. I will see if I can trace them.
Joan
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Hi JJ
That's great. Sounds as if John Henry George senior may have been the other brother of Daniel and Sarah.
Thanks again.
Joan