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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 09 March 16 15:41 GMT (UK)
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I would dearly love to find the death of Anna Martin, wife of Archibald James Martin. Archibald died on Church Street, Ballymoney, on Apr 28, 1889. I don't really know if Anna died before or after him but suspect before as she is not mentioned in his will. His daughter Sarah Neill is Executor, as his two sons are living in Massachusetts. At the very least, Anna's death should give her age which would be very helpful to me.
Archibald was a spirit merchant and MAY be the Archibald who was granted a spirit licence in Ballymena in 1872.
Anna is also the mother of 2 McCaig children (Arthur was born 1840 in Kilbride)and Francis Lawson Boyd (born 1828 in Kilbride). I suspect that there will not be an obit for Anna although I would love it if there were as it is difficult to track Anna's life.
Thanks for any help.
Peggy
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Peggy,
If you look at Archie's death certificate it should tell you whether he was married or a widower and from that you'll know which side of his date of death to search for hers.
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You're right! I went back and looked at the death certificate and it says widower.
Peggy
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Have you seen this 2nd probate entry from 1911 for unadministered estate of Archibald Martin?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZ5N-K42
Administration (with the Will) of the Unadministered Estate of Archibald Martin late of Ballymoney County Antrim Spirit Merchant who died 28 April 1889 granted at Belfast to James Neill Farmer. www.proni.gov.uk
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Yes, I have seen that. Sarah, Archibald's daughter had died, and James, her husband, handled things.
Still looking for Annie's death. Her age, among other things, is important and that should be on her death certificate. Then I might be able to narrow down her parentage.
Thanks
Peggy
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When, and where, is the last sighting of Anna? if she died before 1864 there won't be a death certificate.
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The last sighting for Anna that I have is the birth of James Bain Martin abt 1849. So she died after 1849 but before 1889, when Archibald Martin died. Archibald and Annie's daughter Sarah named her daughter Annie Lawson Neill, born in Ballymoney, which is one more clue to Annie's surname. Then Annie Lawson Camac nee Neill, named her second daughter Annie Lawson Camac.
One family tree that I found has Annie Lawson born 1817 but that is impossible if Francis born 1828.
I would love to find out when Annie/Anna Martin died.
Peggy
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Quite a range of possible death dates and unfortunately much of it pre-registration.
I was looking for clues in Ballymoney records and might have found something interesting (or rather it's what I didn't find yet) but need to do some more checking.
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Thank you, aghadowey.
Peggy
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Didn't find as much as I'd hoped on Archibald Martin in Ballymoney. The only directory in which I could see him listed is 1888 Bassett's Book of Antrim (A Martin, Church St., spirit retailer's).
Better luck with the Valuation Revision Books-
Church St. (Townparks townland)
1865-1875
8. Jane Hamilton
11. Archibald Martin appears 1874? (difficult to decipher)
1876-1884
8. Richard Martin
11. Archibald Martin
1884-1894
8. Robert C. Martin, house yard & small garden (solicitor)
11. Archd Martin, public house, house off. & yard (changed to James Neill 1890)
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Thank you very much aghadowey. This is great information.
Peggy
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Think I can help with Death of Anna Martin.Found the following information in Ballynure Old Church Gravestones: http://www.ulsterancestry.com:
This was also included:
Martin Erected by Sarah Neill in memory of her beloved mother Ann Martin who died 15 Oct 1850 aged 44 years. And her father Archibald Martin who died 28 Apr 1889 aged 68 years. Also the above Sarah Neill who died 26 Feb 1896 aged 47 years.
Connection with me?Sarah Neill is my husband's great grandmother on the maternal line.Her daughter also called Sarah emigrated to Australia in 1914, 5 weeks after declaration of WW1.
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Hi justipeachijo,
I composed a long reply which disappeared just before I hit send.
Anyway, I thank you so very much for this valued information about Anna. She died so young but I see she was much older than her husband at time of marriage. Do you have her date of marriage - I just have the marriage bond?
Do you have further information about Anna, such as her parents and place of birth? I have her maiden name as Lawson, same as my ggg grandmother and would love to fit her into the picture.
Although I have the dates of death of all of Anna's children, I don't have the exact dates of birth of the Martin children. Then I do have the dates of birth of all of Sarah Neill's children but not the dates of death. In particular, I have info on Archibald James Martin Neill's visit to New York and return but not what happened after that.
Perhaps we can exchange info by PM.
And thank you, thank you, thank you for this info on Anna.
Peggy
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I just tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full!! I will try again later.
Peggy
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I just tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full!! I will try again later.
Peggy
New members need at least 2 posts to use PM system- that's the error message you get when their post count isn't high enough.
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Thank you Aghadowey for the explanation.. It is strange though that when I sent the first private message it seemed to go through and only when I sent the second private message did I get this message saying that the inbox was full. Ok, I will do something different.
Thanks again
Peggy
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New members can sometime receive one PM (but not send) but after that they must have at least 2 posts to get further PMs.
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This is for justipeachijo. I am hoping to hear from her again.
Do you have further information about Anna, such as her parents and place of birth? Exact date of birth. Perhaps some of her siblings, anything? I have her maiden name as Lawson, same as my ggg grandmother and would love to fit her into the picture.
Although I have the dates of death of all of Anna's children, I don't have the exact dates of birth of the Martin children.
Thanks for anything you can share with me.
Peggy
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With help, I have managed to trace Sarah Neill's daughter Sarah Neill to Australia with her husband David Orr Henry and their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Henry's birth, marriage and death. Many thanks to justipeachijo and to others.
Peggy
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Having problems with PM.Unable to send messages.
Link I sent should open Ulster Ancestry Website.Where it says 'search this site' click it and in space provided type 'ballynure old church.' Hit 'search.' What will appear is 'Ballynure Old Church Gravestones:Ulster Ancestry Newsletter.' Select that.Lots of information will appear. Good Luck.
Have family tree of James Neill & Sarah Martin.Happy to share.
Unfortunately have no further info on Anna Lawson Boyd McCaig or Archibald Martin.
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Hi Justpeachijo,
Thanks for your help. Not only did I find Ann Martin, etc. I found some Boyds that I was interested in.
Now if you post just one more message on here, you will be able to use the PM function and we can exchange the family tree, etc.
thanks again
Peggy
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Were you able to use/open the link to Ulster Ancestry Website?
Researching my husband's Irish connection has been a hit & miss affair to date.Finding you has filled a few more gaps.His grandmother & grandfather did not pass on much information about Ireland & family left behind.Now with his mother's generation all gone,the links back to Ireland r made even more difficult.
But it is very exciting when we can put a bit more family history together.
We have discovered a portrait photo of an Irish relative (circa~1890),but no one here knows who it is.That is our next big quest,to identifying him & give him name.
Looking forward to more discoveries.
regards
Joanna
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Thanks Joanna. I did use the Ulster Ancestry website, after your detailed instructions and did find other Boyds that I was interested in.
I will PM you now. It has been so exciting to make contact with you.
Peggy
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Today, I received the will of Arthur McCaig, Annie's son, who died in Shamokin, Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, he simply left everything to his wife Jane so no information about possible relatives and where they might be. Maybe I need Jane's will.
Peggy
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I got your test message. Any new news?
Pegg
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church records
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
civil records
Archibald Martin Widower age 68 Publican
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Thank you so much, Rathmore. This is great. I don't think I was aware of this site when I was previously doing the research of this family. I will have to revisit it for some other family members as well.
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I see that Anna had a son Arthur McCaig in 1840 with his father also named Arthur McCaig. It is believed that Anna married Archibald Martin abt 1843 so presuming husband Arthur died between 1840 and 1843. Does anyone have any information about Arthur McCaig's death?
Thank you.
Peggy