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Title: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Friday 11 March 16 21:14 GMT (UK)
I am looking for the passenger list for the Dutch registered ship "John" that left Newry on May 10, 1764 and arrived New York July 28,1764. This is the same ship and trip that Rev. Thomas Clark, M.D. brought his Presbyterian congregation to America on. There were a number of McChesney's on board from Co. Monaghan and settled in the Newark, NJ and Brunswick, NY areas. I am hoping to find out which McChesney's came over on this trip and hopefully the specific family units. Other ships of interest are the "Newry" 1764, and the Buchannan, 1765, who also sailed from Newry to New York.
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: Mcpherson,Eric on Tuesday 17 January 17 16:21 GMT (UK)
Hi, my name is Eric Mcpherson and I am also looking for the same passenger list. If you are able to obtain it, would you be able to contact me about how to do this? Thanks. This is for the Mcpherson research.
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Tuesday 17 January 17 21:05 GMT (UK)
Eric, I haven't found anything yet, but got side tracked. I ended up registering my Ancester John McChesney with SAR and am in the process of submitting to the Mayflower Society, as his wife Abigail is descended from Giles and Steven Hopkins. John is the person I believe may have been on the ship John or possibly the Newry that arrived about 3 months after the John in 1764, also from Newry, Ireland. I haven't found a list for the Newry yet either. I will eventually get back on that track and will keep you in mind. Thanks for the interest.
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: John Kingsmore on Monday 20 March 17 01:52 GMT (UK)
Hi, I was looking for exactly the same information, looking for "Kingsmill" or "Kingsmore" on the passenger list, part of the Ballybay congregation....
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Monday 20 March 17 16:04 GMT (UK)
I have 2 lists of Dr. Clark's members, one I got from the Presbyterian Church in Salem, NY, where Dr. Clark's colony ended up. I also have a copy of Robert Harper's first list of Dr. Clark's members before leaving Ireland. The only "K" named person on these lists is George Keil. That does not mean that your ancestor was not on the "John" as an additional passenger or crew though. I still have not found a ship's list either. Other ships that left around that time from Newry are the " Buchanan in 1765, the "Newry" later in 1764 and in 1765, and the Venus or Saturn (can't find my notes) that I think was 1763 or 1765.
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: wils5604 on Wednesday 11 October 17 16:00 BST (UK)
Would you be willing to share the two lists?
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: Maggsie on Thursday 12 October 17 12:57 BST (UK)
Hi,
I saw the name William McChesney in 1765 on the BUCHANNON. ( just searched McChesney)

A book by....
DOBSON, DAVID. Irish Emigrants in North America, Part Seven. Baltimore: Clearfield Co., 2008
and also .......
"PASSENGERS ABOARD THE BUCHANNON, Newry to New York, August 1765." In The Irish Ancestor (Glebe House, Co. Tipperary, Ireland), vol. 12:2 (1980), p. 52.
Try here....
http://www.irishancestors.ie
then I saw this......
Name: William Mcchesney
Marriage Date: 23 Aug 1721 in Dumfries,Dumfries,Scotland
Married to Jean Blain
This may be the Mcchesney you are looking for, I can not find a JOHN, sorry
Maggsie

Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Wednesday 25 October 17 01:16 BST (UK)
Thanks for the information on William, I hadn't seen that before.

I have discovered that the following ships left Newry for New York:
Venus 1763, John 1764, Newry 1764, Buchannan 1765. There was a William McChesney on the John and Buchannan. I have not found records for the other ships. Family lore has the family coming from Co. Monaghan in Ireland either 1763 or 1764 when John was only a few weeks old, but have no idea how long they had been there. So, your information about William in Scotland could be valid.
I have also found out that my relative John was in the Revolutionary war, serving in the NY 1st Reg. and I am a member of SAR with him. His wife Abigail Stevens is descended from Mayflower roots, which I have submitted to for confirmation.
I suspect I will need to get serious about a trip to Ireland and check into the McChesneys in the Monaghan/Armagh/Louth areas. I have not been successful at connecting John to his family in the Salem, NY area either.
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Wednesday 25 October 17 01:47 BST (UK)
Sorry, I missed your request to share the lists. I'll have to figure out how to copy them, but not a problem.

I have a list of:
1) Dr. Clark's Colony, Ballibay, Ireland - Salem NY. 1764.  I got it from the old white church in Salem, NY.
2) Another list I think I found in Salem, NY records, or information on the Cahan Exodus, another name for Dr. Clark's move. Basically the same list as #1, just a different source
3) Robert Harper's first list (1753) members of Dr. Clark's colony interested in possible relocation
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: walterstradling on Friday 23 March 18 12:03 GMT (UK)
To HERV ... My 2 cousins and I are researching the Cunningham family that attended the Ballybay Presbyterian Church in the mid 18th century ... a John Cunningham bc 1744 is believed to have emigrated to New York with Dr Clark either on the ship "John" out of Newry in 1764 or on an another ship subsequent to the initial voyage ... I read with great interest that you have "2 lists of Dr. Clark's members, one I got from the Presbyterian Church in Salem, NY, where Dr. Clark's colony ended up. I also have a copy of Robert Harper's first list of Dr. Clark's members before leaving Ireland." in your possession ... I have been tearing the internet apart trying to locate a list of congregation members, but have had no success ... could you kindly email me copies of the lists or at least send information on where these documents are held and who to contact ... Regards, WaltStradling
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Friday 23 March 18 16:45 GMT (UK)
I attempted to attach both Mr. Clark's list of adult male members that came on the ship "John" and the Harper's list of interested members, but the attachment size restriction would not allow it. The problem with these lists is they do not list family members or in-law members traveling with the family. I do not see a Cunningham, closest is Clorigham. I got these lists from the Presbyterian Church in Salem, NY. where Dr. Clark initially settled. I also ran across these lists elsewhere in my searches. I will need your e-mail if you would like me to send them to you, out side of this forum. There was also an early scouting group and others that followed on other ships, but I have not seen any formal lists associated with these.

Ships were not required to have passenger lists until about 1820, so any list found earlier is by chance. Besides the ship "John" in 1764 leaving Newry for New York,  I found the "Buchanan" in 1765 with a partial list (no Cunningham), the "Newry" in 1764 and 1765 (no list found) and the "Venus" I think was 1764 (no list found). All were from Newry to New York. Most of this information I found surfing Google. There are probably other sources available, but I have not been able to get back on that thread, having confirmed John as a Rev. War vet, and finding family ties to Mayflower and Jamestowne.
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: walterstradling on Friday 23 March 18 16:56 GMT (UK)
Herv, thanks for responding ... I would love copies of these lists ... how do I give you my email? ... can I pass it through Sarah? ... we have heard of this listing for a John Clorigham and believe that it is a mangled rendition of John Cunningham ... please advise ... WaltStradling
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: herv on Friday 23 March 18 21:04 GMT (UK)
Sent, should be to you shortly
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: YTOWN6 on Thursday 25 April 19 19:08 BST (UK)
Herv and Walter,

I am currently researching my McClelland and Hanna family history.  I have learned of the Ship John that brought Thomas & Elizabeth (Henderson) Hanna and family from Ireland to America ... I also think there could be other Hanna’s and McClellands on Ship John.

I found your post exchanges re: Ship John Passenger lists.

If possible, I would really appreciate a copy of the passenger list and other related family lists.

Thanks in advance and Regards,


Mark Thompson
Sherrills Ford, NC
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764
Post by: Lollygirl on Thursday 11 July 19 03:40 BST (UK)
I hope I'm not too late to jump on this bandwagon and get those ships lists!  (Especially the Ship John) I just followed a trail that I hope will break down a 40 year old wall!

Looking for a Robert MCMICHAEL, who may have travelled with Dr. Thomas Clark as part of his congregation. I believe he may have been one of those that came with him, but then split off to head to Abbeville, SC...

Loralee


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Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: YTOWN6 on Thursday 11 July 19 15:03 BST (UK)
Loralee,

I would be happy to pass along the information that was provided to me.

Please send me your email address.


Mark Thompson
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: Lollygirl on Thursday 11 July 19 17:23 BST (UK)
Thank you!
I replied to you with my e-mail address, but then got a message that I shouldn't do that. How can I get that to you?
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 11 July 19 17:41 BST (UK)
 http://magoo.com/hugh/cahans.html#cahans
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: trystan on Friday 12 July 19 22:12 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 16 July 19 02:47 BST (UK)
Thank you!
I replied to you with my e-mail address, but then got a message that I shouldn't do that. How can I get that to you?

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Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: James Gray on Tuesday 29 December 20 20:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you!
I replied to you with my e-mail address, but then got a message that I shouldn't do that. How can I get that to you?


My 6th great Grandfather James Gray was also in  the Abbeville area and members of both Old Lebanon and The Old Stone Church.
These are all churches associated with Dr. Thomas Clark.
Would you please pass on any information you have including ship list or members of the church in Salem New York?

Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: Scott Lytle on Sunday 21 November 21 01:57 GMT (UK)
I have started a page at https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:The_Cahans_Exodus&public=1

to try to capture a list of passengers of The John
Title: Re: Need passenger list for ship "John", left Newry May 10,1764, McChesney search
Post by: Scott Lytle on Sunday 21 November 21 03:52 GMT (UK)
Herv,

Can you please send me your lists? 

-Scott