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Title: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Torrie on Tuesday 15 March 16 21:30 GMT (UK)
Hoping someone will have better luck with I, coming up with a solution to this one. WHO IS DONALD CAMERON?

1851 census
Allan Livingston   55-head
Janet Livingston   52-wife
Mary Livingston   18-daughter
Duncan Livingston 16-son
John Livingston   13-son
Ann Livingston   8-son
Donald Cameron   2-GRANDSON

This family lived in Morvern Argyl Scotland in the 1841/1851 census. Allan and Janet had 7 children. patrick (1828) and Catherine (1829) are not listed on the 1851 i posted above as they were old enough to have moved on.

I know Catherine married James currie in 1872 and previous to that lived with her father as a livingstone in the 1861 census.

Mary married Charles Mclean in 1858 and is also listed above on the 1851 census as a livingstone.

Ann the only other daughter to Allan and Janet is only 8 in the 1851 census above.

So my problem...who is Donald Cameron (2) ...he is listed as a grandson to Allan and Janet however I do not see a way this can be possible. I have looked up birth records for Donald and no connection stands out.

any suggestions would be great Torrie!
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 15 March 16 21:54 GMT (UK)
Can you find him in 1861 age 12 to see who he is living with? 

Not a good name to look for I realise - does he have the same birthplace as the rest of the children?
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Torrie on Tuesday 15 March 16 22:03 GMT (UK)
Donald is listed as being born in Morvern Scotland, same with all of Allan and Janet's children...tried locating him in the 1861 census as a 12 year old with no real success...many records and none stand out with a connection to the livingstone family :(
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 15 March 16 22:06 GMT (UK)
Any chance there was an older daughter you don't know about who may not have been at home with parents on any census?  :-\

Had Allan and Janet only married each other?  Were there previous spouses for either of them he could have been a step grandchild (clutching at straws now!)
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 15 March 16 22:10 GMT (UK)
Was Janet's maiden name Campbell?
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 15 March 16 22:14 GMT (UK)
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I know Catherine married James currie in 1872

Was she a spinster because if she was born 1829 would have been 43 when she married.

Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: RJ_Paton on Tuesday 15 March 16 22:27 GMT (UK)
Possibly coincidence but there is this marriage right names right area
(although Sarah Livingston is a surprisingly common name in the area ::) )
11/12/1840   Sarah LIVINGSTON   who marries Archibald  CAMERON in Morvern Argyll
 GROS Ref: (FR162)   528/00 0020 0105
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Torrie on Wednesday 16 March 16 00:02 GMT (UK)
Hello,

Catherine was a spinster and was quite old when she married...in the 1861 census she is listed as Catherine Livingstone and living with father.

Allan and Janet married in 1827 and Patrick their first son was born in 1828 so no way there was another older girl (I thought of that!)

Allan and Janet were only married to each other

Janet's maiden name was McInnes

The only interesting connection I have to the name Cameron is....Allan's mothers name was Mary  maiden name Cameron. But I can't make a connection there either...not sure If it's a coincidence...

Hmmmm....Torrie
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: loobylooayr on Wednesday 16 March 16 00:08 GMT (UK)
Just a suggestion but could Donald be the illegitimate son of one of the Livingston girls . It was not uncommon for children to be known by their father's surname.

Looby
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 16 March 16 00:45 GMT (UK)
could Donald be the illegitimate son of one of the Livingston girls . It was not uncommon for children to be known by their father's surname.

Great minds Looby....

I thought Mary Livingston to be his mother?

Annie
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: loobylooayr on Wednesday 16 March 16 00:57 GMT (UK)
Mary as mother would be my first instinct too, Annie.

Of course , the older girl Catherine who is not listed with the family could be the mother. Have you found Catherine on the 1851 Census, Torrie ?

Looby :)



Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 16 March 16 01:24 GMT (UK)
Has Donald been found on 1861 under all possible surnames i.e Cameron/Livingston & any marital surnames of the possible mothers?

Annie
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Torrie on Wednesday 16 March 16 02:05 GMT (UK)
I have not tried looking for Donald under the surname Livingstone...I will give that a try....I will also try and find Catherine in the 1851 census....will update shortly
Title: Re: 1851 Census Mystery-Donald Cameron
Post by: Torrie on Wednesday 16 March 16 03:13 GMT (UK)
No success searching for Donald in the 1861 census under both Livingstone and Cameron.

Catherine I found in 1861 as a servant with a family last name Douglas ....no connection yet