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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: vidlerr on Saturday 19 March 16 09:16 GMT (UK)
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In the 1911 census Mabel/Mable Baillie and her month old daughter, Helen, are shown living at this establishment at 308 Renfrew Street - I have Helen's birth certificate and I think she was subsequently (unofficially) adopted. Mabel/Mable does not seem to appear on any previous English or Scottish census. Does anyone know if or where the records of this home are now kept that may give information on what happened to them after 1911.
Many thanks for any help anyone can give on this - Robert
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There is a Helen Milne Bailie born in 1911 who also died in 1911.
Don
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Hi Don,
The Helen in the family I am looking at was born in Blythswood - I'm fairly certain that I know who "adopted" her, but it is her mother Mabel Baillie who remains a mystery.
Thanks for checking that. Rob.
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There is one marriage in Glasgow for a Mabel Bailey in 1920. Have you discounted it?
Monica :)
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There is also this census entry in 1901:
Margaret Baillie 33 Wine & Spirit Merch b. Dundee
Mabel Baillie 7 b. Glasgow
Eliza Dunn 23 servant
Address: 3 Clarence Drive, Glasgow/Partick
Monica
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Hi Robert,
You have the 1911 census information which you obviously got from Scotlands People. As Monica suggested have you looked at the 1920 marriage?
Also try the Mitchell Library in Glasgow as they hold many local records I believe and may have something on the Renfrew Street home.
Dorrie
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Thanks to all for your comments. I will have a look at the marriage for Mabel Bailey. The 1911 census gives Mabel's age as 26 years and that she was born in England! I will email the Mitchell Library to see if they hold any records for the said home in Renfrew Street.
Robert.
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1901 English census has numerous possibilities under the name Mabel Bailey born c1885
Do you know who her parents are?
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If her age of 26 in 1911 is accurate, she is more likely to have been born in 1884 than in 1885.
There are no Mabel Baillies listed in FreeBMD births 1884-1885, but there are a couple of dozen Mabel Baileys.
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I have done some work for my cousin in Belfast whose mother was Jane Cross. born on the 10thOct 1910 and her mother Emma Cross resided at the Abandoned mothers home 308 Renfrew st. the baby was then adopted two weeks after birth and i know that the"matron" at the home was a Mrs.Elizabeth Graham;and the building or business was owned by Mr Robert Gourley. His residence was 8 Marlborough Terr, Glasgow. does anyone know if there are any records of Adopted or fostered children from the home still in existence. I know my Grandfather"took" Jane Cross into his family and she became know as Jane[Jean] Cross Stewart. I know that the Mitchell Library have some records]
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Hi and welcome to RC :)
I think it is unlikely that you will find records of what actually happened at that time. Adoption laws were introduced for the first time in Scotland from 1930. Before this date, they were private and unofficial and no records were created or maintained.
See www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/adoption-records for additional background. Have you checked with the Mitchell Library about what records or info they actually hold?
Monica
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Thanks for the timely reply.
They[ the Mitchel] have some records, which is how i managed to get the dates for the adoption of Jane Cross.The archivist looked them out for me and replied via e-mail
Regards
Ed Thomson
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That was fortunate :) Have you asked them what further details they may hold?
Monica
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i am going to do that the next time i am in Glasgow .
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Did anything come of this?
My Great, great grandmother registered as this address when she gave birth to my great grandfather in 1913. I’d love to know if there is any info at all out there on it
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Hi Robert
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Why not make direct enquiries regarding possible records relating to your g grandfather?
Email details here www.glasgowfamilyhistory.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx
Monica
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Thanks for your reply Monica.
I have start and end info on my Great grand father but lacking info such as father or why he changed his name from Henry Burrell Martin to Robert Burrell.
Was really hoping for a nugget of info from a register or files from the home but from my visits to Mitchell Library so far, it's been unsuccessful
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HI Robert
If you have searched at the Mitchell and nothing showing there, guess there may be nothing further to find that will assist you regarding the circumstance around the birth of Henry.
Henry's mother's maiden name, was it Martin? If so, likely reputed father's surname could well be Burrell. Not unusual for illegitimate children to go by the surnames of their reputed fathers in later years.
What if anything is showing on Henry's marriage and death certs relating to father's details?
Monica
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Henry’s mum was Flora Martin and had him when she was 15. Burrell was the name of his Grandmother Annie martins partner. I have done a DNA test and don’t have any matches with Burrell so believe the name has just been taken by both Flora and Henry.
Possibly just one of these mysteries that wil never be solved.
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Pity about the Burrell angle.
These types of searches can be so very hard to crack :-\
Monica