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Hello
Some 19th Century family papers have been found relating to a property called Byefield of G. Hood, Selby.
Any information please?
I can only find a Byefield Lodge currently online.
Thanks, Mark
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What sort of dates are we talking?
Even a century would help!!
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Is the G Hood an ancestor? If so - full name/birthyear etc etc please.
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Some 19th Century family papers have
Whoops, did I miss the 19th century bit ? Apologies.
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Hi all George Hood 1825 b Selby
1861 census RG09/3534/24/1
Keyboard86
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1861
Byefield Lodge Farm House, Selby
George Hood 36 farmer of 19 acres bn Selby
Ann 34 bn Nottinghamshire Blyth
Charles 2 bn Selby
William 1 bn Selby
(snap Keyboard!)
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1861
Byefield Lodge Farm House, Selby
George Hood 36 farmer of 19 acres bn Selby
Ann 34 bn Nottinghamshire Blyth
Charles 2 bn Selby
William 1 bn Selby
Thanks, got the Census, but after any old map photo/scan, as I can't find it on the map here ...
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102344968
No need to apologise, I edited my post, so your eyes didn't miss it, first time.
Kind regards, Mark
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1861
Byefield Lodge Farm House, Selby
George Hood 36 farmer of 19 acres bn Selby
Ann 34 bn Nottinghamshire Blyth
Charles 2 bn Selby
William 1 bn Selby
Thanks, got the Census, but after any old map photo/scan, as I can't find it on the map here ...
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102344968
Kind regards, Mark
??? Mark with the upmost respect why in the first instance did you not say you have the census, but would love any photos/ further information on the farm?
Keyboard86
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Likewise, if you had the census, why did you just give the name as G Hood, when you already knew it was George?
Looking at the census, the enumerator district seems to be one comprising outlying farms. The description at the beginning of the schedule is not of much help, it describes the places by the owners! (e.g George Hoods land) The next entry after George's farm is a farm in Common Road.
Googlemaps shows there is still an East Common Road, maybe that it is.
The census also talks of an area called Elf Hole, and the next entries on the page are for places at Elf hole. I cant see that on current googlemaps, but maybe that might help find something on an old map.
Reference to it here
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-325843-barn-to-elfhole-farm-selby-north-yorkshi#.VvLaiI_XLIU
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The next entry on the census is Olive Bush Farm, common Road.
Olive Bush Farm can be seen on this map
http://public.selby.gov.uk/online-applications/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=map&keyVal=0017TCNXLI000
Could Byefield Lodge Farm now be Flaxby Lodge?
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Sorry, I posted in a bit of a hurry, but was also interested to see what others come up with too. I also have his Wedding Certificate too. They are part of my family.
I have also noticed the plan, on a planning application, online.
Thank you, Mark
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If you had told us all the information that you already have, and explain what you are wanting, from the outset, it would have saved an awful lot of time just establishing the basics (like name and date) and then going over old ground. We've spent an hour and a quarter on this thread now trying to come up with ideas about "G Hood from Byefield" only to find you already have it!!!!
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Looking at the census, the enumerator district seems to be one comprising outlying farms. The description at the beginning of the schedule is not of much help, it describes the places by the owners! (e.g George Hoods land) The next entry after George's farm is a farm in Common Road.
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I missed the reference in the Census to 'George Hood's land' at the beginning of the Schedule. So really pleased you mention that, as it may be lead to copy Deeds, you have spotted something, I missed.
Don't do anything about what I am about to say, but I have major problems in getting back beyond "George Hood of Selby" married Selby 1815 despite having Bond, Licence and Register entry, childrens baptism entries, Death Certificate, Will (father of this George Hood, farmer), other Selby Hood Wills, Street Directories. A number of suggestions have been made on another thread, which I am working through (obtaining more documents) and we need to make further visits to several Archives in Yorkshire, to explore other types documents.
I have Wills, Land Tax, Voters Rolls and everything I believe from the newspapers, seven property Memorial Deeds from Wakefield for properties in the town of Selby, one refers to George Hood widower, but neither this George Hood, nor his father George Hood were Widowers (as they died before their wives), but this reference to George Hood's land may/may not lead me to find information!
Thank you very much.
Kind regards, Mark
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Just thinking, George Hood's land you mention in the Census Schedule may be referring to a 4 acre piece of the Selby Outwoods (mentioned in one Deed Registration) also I have the sale advert at purchase by his father, but this was not Byefield.
Mark
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Update
I have just found "Bye Field Close" Selby under the Hemp & Flax Claims of John Spencer, in the Leeds Intelligencer of 1794.
Don't know much about John Spencer Esq., only that he owned property at Selby, died 1809, aged 75. Also a J. Hood and Mr Hood (possible relations) rented from him in 1781 to 1802 per Selby Land Tax and he was apparently the father of John Spencer of Conisbrough Park, in the Will Extract at TNA.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=98tKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1181&lpg=PA1181&dq=%22John+Spencer%22+Selby+1809&source=bl&ots=y0TdX-4RA_&sig=NPzAqCWS2_L5pHyhAhQI8GAwMdI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju5IPp5tjLAhXB1hQKHZ8pAPAQ6AEIKTAF
Also just found, re "Bye-field" Selby, it must have started where Bondgate ends, because in the Yorks Gazette of 1861, a description of this part of Byefield, says it lies in Bondgate to the Brickyard and opens onto the high road to Wistow. A newspaper says Byefield abutted Middlewood and Wistow Lanes. Another in 1876 says a piece of Byefield abutted Cockerill Lane and this was also known as Spalding Close or Waites Close.
I shall have to see if I can find another old map.
Thanks for the replies, Mark
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http://maps.nls.uk/view/100947185
Bottom right quarter of map
Right margin in link map above look for Selby written in the margin, above that in smaller letters is again written in the margin is Holmes dike, now in the map opposite where holmes dike is written is Bondgate in big letter, above that is 'Mount Pleasant' AND FOLLOW THE ROAD NOW IN TO THE MAP TO A' Y' JUNCION AND THERE BY THE JUNCTION IS BYEFIELD LODGE ON THE LEFT.
On google maps follow the b1223 Wistow road where it meets Sherburn road at a Y junction in link
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.794067,-1.0804804,695m/data=!3m1!1e3
BYEFIELD LODGE is the building on left in link below
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.795239,-1.0839937,3a,75y,293.24h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stc0HyY-LdeiECMg4CVligA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Update
I have just found "Bye Field Close" Selby under the Hemp & Flax Claims of John Spencer, in the Leeds Intelligencer of 1794.
Don't know much about John Spencer Esq., only that he owned property at Selby, died 1809, aged 75. Also a J. Hood and Mr Hood (possible relations) rented from him in 1781 to 1802 per Selby Land Tax and he was apparently the father of John Spencer of Conisbrough Park, in the Will Extract at TNA.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=98tKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1181&lpg=PA1181&dq=%22John+Spencer%22+Selby+1809&source=bl&ots=y0TdX-4RA_&sig=NPzAqCWS2_L5pHyhAhQI8GAwMdI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju5IPp5tjLAhXB1hQKHZ8pAPAQ6AEIKTAF
Also just found, re "Bye-field" Selby, it must have started where Bondgate ends, because in the Yorks Gazette of 1861, a description of this part of Byefield, says it lies in Bondgate to the Brickyard and opens onto the high road to Wistow. A newspaper says Byefield abutted Middlewood and Wistow Lanes. Another in 1876 says a piece of Byefield abutted Cockerill Lane and this was also known as Spalding Close or Waites Close.
I shall have to see if I can find another old map.
Thanks for the replies, Mark
I think your Cockerill Lane is Cockeret lane
You can see the brickworks at Bondgate/Mount Pleasant 1851 map
Byefield (Fields / close) maybe the fields behind Byefield Lodge down to Cockeret lane.
To the West of is Olive Bush houses and further West a row of (Was a mash) Allottment Gardens with an un-named lane running behind it.(Close ?)
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Hello dobfarm
Thanks for the other NL of Scotland Map, links and other information.
Family correspondence has been found and a letter of 1894 says this:-
Manor of Selby
I have been in communication with
my clients herein and find that it was
Wm Hood who owned the Byfield estate
and that the house has been built
since the last admission. The children
of the said William Hood now seek to
be admitted tenants of said estate. I
suppose the property will have to be
revalued by you and I shall be glad
if you will say what other evidence in
addition to Probate you will require
Yours truly
A.Spink
[In other letters it is spelt Byefield]
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"G. Hood" once held Byefield, according to other Family correspondence.
I get the feeling that Byefield might once, have been a large field area, before being divided up.
I am awaiting microfiche of a 1787 book, which mentions John Hood of Gateshead, reputed to be a Publican on the dockside? It is reputed to deal with dissenters.
I am awaiting 5 volumes of a 1790s Directory (on CD), one of which, under Kingston upon Hull, is supposed to deal with some of the regularly vessels plying the trade between Hull and Selby.
In the 18th Century Selby Register transcription there is a "George of Selby" but I wish to check out the original, as the parents are not Hood. Also to get those Bonds and Marriage entries you suggested and some others I wish to get.
A Bainbridge Hood was also born at Selby early 18th Century, but thought to have been buried at Selby as Bambridge Hood? However, the Bainbridge Hood family appear in the Beverley area.
A GRO, Jane Cockin, Selby Registration Birth Certificate should be here soon, as I want to see who her parents were, because a Jane Cockin was Witness at George and Sarah's 1815 Marriage.
I have just acquired (not part of the Hood Family collection) a scan of a 1720 Property Inrollment of the Right Honourable Catherine Lady Petre, mentioning Hood the Barbour of Selby occupying a Messuage or Tenem.t standing in the Market Place and six closes (6 fields, named) and a little stable taken of the Abby Kiln, all in Selby, with various rights, except those reserved.
1720 is not helpful with the tree at the moment, but if offered, I thought it best to get it.
There is still much to do.
Kind regards, Mark
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This Mr John Spencer of Selby -If you can find a connection to the Scarborough Spencer's family as there is a connection through property of this J Spencer to George Hood 1861 census son of George Hood d 1845.
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Going by the 1850 there was no Byefield Lodge on this map but was on later maps and this would suggest Byefield was only a group farming fields/closes etc. pre 1850
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Previous comments:-
"I have just found "Bye Field Close" Selby under the Hemp & Flax Claims of John Spencer, in the Leeds Intelligencer of 1794."
Also in 1802 a John Hood was living in Micklegate, Selby, owned by a John Spencer.
1795 Selby Baptism Register of baby Elizabeth Turner, 1st Daur of Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) it actually says:-
"Morland Daur of John Hood of Selby mariner by Elizabeth his Wife Daur of John Spencer of Scarbro' mariner"
This Mr John Spencer of Selby -If you can find a connection to the Scarborough Spencer's family as there is a connection through property of this J Spencer to George Hood 1861 census son of George Hood d 1845.
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Going by the 1850 there was no Byefield Lodge on this map but was on later maps and this would suggest Byefield was only a group farming fields/closes etc. pre 1850
Could not find a John Spencer Will of Scarborough, but found this, which I'll also post for other Spencer of Scarborough researchers too ...
Catherine Spencer of Scarborough recorded in her 1776 Will (proved 1782)
Robert Spencer had married Catherine
[27 February 1763 Robert Spencer = Catherine Rowe, from transcribed list, Houghton le Spring Register]
Mother of Robert Spencer was Mary to receive £20 half yearly
Late Uncle [of Catherine] Richard Rowe's Estate
Late Uncle [of Catherine] Henry Rowe, late of Bloomsbury Square [A Henry Rowe of Bloomsbury Square was one of the Governors and Guardians of the Childrens Hospital]
Brother of Catherine Spencer was Anthony Rowe
Sister of Catherine was Jane Rowe
Children of Robert and Catherine Spencer (not written here in any particular order)
John Paxton Spencer £700 (A later Court case says Thomas Paxton Spencer and looking at John, it could well be Thos).
Henry Robert Rowe Spencer £700
Catherine Spencer £700
Jane Spencer £700
Hutton Rowe Spencer £700
The Child with which I am now Pregnant £700
The children were to receive at 21, the girls could receive there bequests if they married, whichever was sooner. Interest was to be paid at £4 in every hundred pounds.
According to Google books, it was not long before one of the children was at the Court of Chancery after the death of Catherine's husband Robert Spencer, in 'Spencer v. Spencer' mentioning Robert Spencer's Will dated 24 December 1791, who died 14 November 1793 apparently.
Awaiting the 1802 Selby property document (John Hood, occupier), as there maybe more than one John Spencer, owning property at Selby.
Kind regards, Mark
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Previous comments:-
"I have just found "Bye Field Close" Selby under the Hemp & Flax Claims of John Spencer, in the Leeds Intelligencer of 1794."
Also in 1802 a John Hood was living in Micklegate, Selby, owned by a John Spencer.
1795 Selby Baptism Register of baby Elizabeth Turner, 1st Daur of Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) it actually says:-
"Morland Daur of John Hood of Selby mariner by Elizabeth his Wife Daur of John Spencer of Scarbro' mariner"
This Mr John Spencer of Selby -If you can find a connection to the Scarborough Spencer's family as there is a connection through property of this J Spencer to George Hood 1861 census son of George Hood d 1845.
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Going by the 1850 there was no Byefield Lodge on this map but was on later maps and this would suggest Byefield was only a group farming fields/closes etc. pre 1850
Could not find a John Spencer Will of Scarborough, but found this, which I'll also post for other Spencer of Scarborough researchers too ...
Catherine Spencer of Scarborough recorded in her 1776 Will (proved 1782)
Robert Spencer had married Catherine
[27 February 1763 Robert Spencer = Catherine Rowe, from transcribed list, Houghton le Spring Register]
Mother of Robert Spencer was Mary to receive £20 half yearly
Late Uncle [of Catherine] Richard Rowe's Estate
Late Uncle [of Catherine] Henry Rowe, late of Bloomsbury Square [A Henry Rowe of Bloomsbury Square was one of the Governors and Guardians of the Childrens Hospital]
Brother of Catherine Spencer was Anthony Rowe
Sister of Catherine was Jane Rowe
Children of Robert and Catherine Spencer (not written here in any particular order)
John Paxton Spencer £700 (A later Court case says Thomas Paxton Spencer and looking at John, it could well be Thos).
Henry Robert Rowe Spencer £700
Catherine Spencer £700
Jane Spencer £700
Hutton Rowe Spencer £700
The Child with which I am now Pregnant £700
The children were to receive at 21, the girls could receive there bequests if they married, whichever was sooner. Interest was to be paid at £4 in every hundred pounds.
According to Google books, it was not long before one of the children was at the Court of Chancery after the death of Catherine's husband Robert Spencer, in 'Spencer v. Spencer' mentioning Robert Spencer's Will dated 24 December 1791, who died 14 November 1793 apparently.
Awaiting the 1802 Selby property document (John Hood, occupier), as there maybe more than one John Spencer, owning property at Selby.
Kind regards, Mark
Hello
Something I missed in this PCC, 16 July 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer of Scarborough, that Claire has noticed, is a reference to Joseph Snowdon ...
and I do hereby appoint my said Husband
Robert Spencer
Sole Executor of this my last Will and Testament and Do hereby constitute and appoint my said Husband Robert Spencer
and Joseph Snowdon of [?]Bows House in the
County of Durham Gentleman Tutors or Guardians for all
Folio 381
my said children till they shall attain their respective
ages of twenty one years or be married ...
Bows[?] House in the County of Durham.
One that does appear is - Isabella Younger of Bows House ...
"Younger, Isabella of Bows House aged 27 - 7 Oct 1820 - Penshaw"
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/BDUR_U-Y.html
The reference to Snowdon is interesting, in relation to Hoods at Newcastle / Gateshead?
It wasn't long before Spencer v. Spencer and the 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer was mentioned ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yXADAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=%22Catherine+Spencer%22+Will+1782&source=bl&ots=XKMMTRtbg9&sig=UEVKYK6Qa7mt-fI-MCBvKjQmrmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjenJiKl6DWAhVFAsAKHezkDuMQ6AEIJTAD
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Scarborough St Mary's Monumental Inscriptions only lists this, but not in the Register apparently ...
Head Stone -
Sacred/
to the Memory of/
MARY the wife of/
JOHN SPENCER/
who departed this life/
August (?g) 18??/
aged (33 or 83) years.
Goughy found this Mary Spencer ...
Mary Spencer buried St Mary's 1786 (born 1706) No other info in burial register This Mary was buried 23 APRIL
Regards Mark