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I'm researching my Great Grandfather Jeremiah Crowley and his wife Margaret( or Margarite). They lived in or near Castletownbere. I have them on both the 1901 and 1911 census. in 1901 Jeremiah was 60 and listed as a shopkeeper. Margarite was 40. In 1911 Jeremiah, who is now 70, is listed as a caretaker and curator. Margarite is 49.
I'm trying to find a birth certificate for Jeremiah so I can get the names of his parents and maybe move a step further back. I'm hoping a marriage cert or a birth cert for Margarite will give me information on her Maiden name and the names of her parents. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.
Sams Mam
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It looks as though Margarite was Margarite Sullivan
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632839#page/34/mode/1up
Marriage 27June 1880 - number 51 on register
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Civil registration of births started in 1864 so for earlier dates it's a matter of searching for church records to see if baptisms survive, etc.
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Thanks soo much Heywood. I've had a look at that entry, unfortunately my Latin isn't so good but I see they have a dispensation - I'm assuming that's what it is - allowing them to marry and I'm wondering why that would be? Maybe Jeremiah was married before giving his age. I'm assuming the witnesses, James (or Seamus?) Crowley and Regenia? Sullivan are maybe parents or siblings of the two getting married? Regenia sounds a very fancy name for way back then. I'm going to ask a priest in my local parish to translate the Latin for me regarding the dispensation.
Can you tell me if Killa is a townland near Castletownbere? I think Ardra is also a townland adjoining Castletownbere. Also for the witnesses or parents, whichever, it states as birthplace or residence, Island - is this a reference to Bere Island do you think? Thanks so much for your help. I'm not quite sure where to go from here to try to get birth certs to discover parents names. Any ideas? ;D
Sams mam.
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Re the marriage
You have the bridegroom and bride
Jeremiah Crowley and Margarite Sullivan
Residences: B Killa ( I think that may be Ballynakilla and Ardra
Their parents- Jeremiah Crowley and Roger Sullivan - same residences
Priest John O'Connell
Witnesses John Sullivan and Catherine Donigan/Dougan ??? Both from Bere Island
The endings on the names make it more difficult - 'of Roger' becomes Rogerii
The dispensation looks to be regarding consanguinity. It mentions 3rd and 4th degree
I found a simple explanation here (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LATIN-WORDS/2008-03/1206478188)
I would confirm this with your priest :)
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As you will notice there are many Sullivans.
Looking at the parish record there is a baptism for a Margaritawith father Roger and mother Johanna Neil ( I think) from Ardra.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632838#page/22/mode/1up
I must stress that this is all speculative. A civil birth certificate for a child would give you Margarite's maiden name.
You might find a baptism for Jeremiah on that site.
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Wow Heywood - you've gotten me further than I ever expected - Thanks soo much. I'd have been searching for Regina for ever LOL! Roger still seems a very English name for an Irishman in the 1800's. I'm delighted to find it in our family tree though because it's a favourite name of mine. Could I just ask one further question of you? On the record it states records for 1876 but at top of page where baptism is recorded it says 1860. Should I take the 1860 as correct? Actually I've answered my own question - yes it is 1860 because if she got married in 1880 and was 20 years old then 1860 would be year of birth.
I'll search that site for my Great Grandfathers birth certificate. Thanks once again, I really appreciate your help.
Sams Mam ;D
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I'm researching my Great Grandfather Jeremiah Crowley and his wife Margaret( or Margarite). They lived in or near Castletownbere. I have them on both the 1901 and 1911 census. in 1901 Jeremiah was 60 and listed as a shopkeeper. Margarite was 40. In 1911 Jeremiah, who is now 70, is listed as a caretaker and curator. Margarite is 49.
I'm trying to find a birth certificate for Jeremiah so I can get the names of his parents and maybe move a step further back. I'm hoping a marriage cert or a birth cert for Margarite will give me information on her Maiden name and the names of her parents. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.
Sams Mam
You will find baptisms for Margarite(Margarets) siblings on www.irishgenealogy.ie in the RC Diocese of Kerry Parish Castletownbere.
There is a Roger baptised 21/2/1850 Parents Roger Sullivan & Johanna Neil.
Also a Marriage on 27th Feb 1876 for Roger Sullivan & Catherine Harrington Address Bere Island.
Parents Roger Sullivan Johanna Neill & Jeremiah Harrington & Mary Sullivan
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That's great ballydew :)
I had forgotten about Irishgenealogy site now we have the parish registers!
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That's great ballydew :)
I had forgotten about Irishgenealogy site now we have the parish registers!
I still use this site as sometimes the nli ones are not in great condition & difficult to find if one doesnt have an idea of dates etc. :)
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Thanks very much indeed Ballydw. Between yourself and Heywood I've found out more tonight than I have in months of searching! I really appreciate the help. I'm full of smiles. ;D ;D ;D
Sams Mam
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Roger Sullivan and Catherine Harrington ?
1911 age 61
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Bear_Islands_in_Bantry_Bay/Rerrin/377299/
Michael Sullvan 1882
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/994d610164063
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Bere/Rerrin/1094048/
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Thanks Dathai ;D
Sams Mam
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Hey there,
If you are still interested I have some more information on that Jeremiah. I have traced his father and mother. I am a descendant of his second wife.
Regards
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Always delighted to receive more information so any you can give me would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, I can't wait to receive the info.
Best Regards
sams mam
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Hi SamsMam,
go to www.islandancestry.com > Family Tree > Request a new user account to see full detail.
You should be able to see some detail without logging in : http://www.islandancestry.com/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I169&ged=crowley. In this i have filled in as much detail on crowleys from Bere Island. In doing so I filled in some detail for the Jeremiah Crowley you mentioned.
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Hi Mike,
Well! I've just been on that website and what a wealth of information I got there. I'm really chuffed. I'll definitely be joining, I can fill in some info particularly concerning my Grandmother Ellen Crowley. I'm overjoyed that I've now filled in some blanks on my family tree. I've been to Castletownbere and Bere island a number of times, I'm wondering was I walking in someone elses footsteps. Am I right in thinking that we are distantly related through my Great Great Grandfather Jeremiah 'Ceohane' Crowley?
Best Regards
Sams mam
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Yes we would be related. You appear to be a great great grandchild of Jeremiah through Ellen. I am a great great grandson of Jeremiah through his son (of second marriage) Denny. That makes us third cousins right? Feel free if you do join to add some of your family.
Interestingly, through local records that Jeremiah (your great grandfather) married Margaret and lived in the home place in Ballinakilla, Bere Island until my great grandfather returned from Buenos Aires a widower with 3 young children. Your Jeremiah moved to castletownbere and became a "shop keeper". My suspicion is there were relations out there.
I'm busy at the moment trying to source Jeremiah (Darby) Crowley's brothers and sisters. There are hints in the marriage records and birth certs (of his children) but no definitive proof yet.