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Eliza or Elizabeth/ Lizzie Preece married Felix Golden in Holmer, Hereford in August 1865. Her father is recorded as John Preece.
From the 1871 and 81 census in Brecon, Eliza was born in Hereford between 1847 to 1851. Due to the large number of Preece records I have been unable to trace her or family any further back.
Any help much appreciated.
Cheers
Jonno
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What was John Preeces occupation and who were the witnesses on the marriage
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I wonder if the George Preece whose marriage is on the same reference is a sibling :)
Marriages Sep 1865
Felix Golden
Sarah Griffiths
Eliza Preece
George Preece
Hereford reg district 6a 853
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It may not help but I think this is likely to be the George Preece who married Sarah in the census in 1871. He was also living in Holmer in 1861 as a lodger
George Preece 33 Labourer b Wellington, Herefordshire
Sarah Preece 32 b St John, Herefordshire
William Preece 5 b Holmer
George Preece 3b All Saints
James Preece 3 Months b Holmer
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Thanks for the replies. Had a search of 1851 & 61 census with no result for an Eliza and George combination with John Preece as father.
I will have to order a copy marriage certificate to discover John's occupation.
Cheers
John
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Finally got round to ordering 2 marriage certificates for Eliza Preece and Felix Golden.
For some reason the couple appeared to have been married twice.
1. 29/08/1868 at the parish Church of Holmer, Hereford. Felix Golden, (Bachelor of full age, Hairdresser residing Holmer, Father Thomas Golden, Publican.) married Eliza Preece, (age 19, spinster of Holmer, father John Preece a shoemaker). Witnesses Joseph Carter and Elizabeth Lawrance.
2. 05/12/1879 at the English Independent Chapel in Merthyr Tydfil. Felix Golden (38 year old widower, Hairdresser of Ship Street Brecon, Father Thomas Golden (deceased) Publican) married Elizabeth Preece (29 year old spinster of Cefn Coed Vaynor, father John Preece (deceased) Cordwainer). Witnesses Andrew Baxter and Mary Hamlyn.
Im struggling to understand the double marriage and the widower spinster status. However it does allow me to find Eliza's family in census records as her father is a shoemaker. Again there is something a little unusual. On the 1851 census John Preece and Elizabeth preece are recorded as having daughters Eliza 4 and Elizabeth 10 months.
Has Felix married his sister in law? Were the girls actually sisters or had the Parents taken an illegitimate grandchild as their own?
Any advice gratefully received.
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Correction to above. First marriage year was in fact 1865.
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There is a death of GRO index of an Eliza Preece age 28 in 1875 in Brecknock which would fit the first Eliza if this was the case of John marrying Eliza's sister in 1879
The GRO Birth index lists the birth of an Eliza Preece in 1846 and Elizabeth Preece in 1850 both in Hereford with mother's maiden name Bullock and this could be the parents marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N66K-PJ1 So the girls that Felix married might well have been sisters
Kay
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Thanks Kay,
Those birth dates match up with the brides ages on the marriage certificates. Still a very unusal set up though?
The Bullock maiden name puts another branch on my family tree and I know from census records that Elizabeth Bullock was born in Dilwyn Herefordshire in 1814.
Thanks again
John
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If inetrested, some background on felix
FELIX GOLDEN (From Professor Brown's, London), HAIR DRESSER AND PERFUMER, SHIP STREET, BRECON. Hair Brushed by Machinery, and Shampooing Apparatus. A choice Selection of Brushes, Combs, and other Toilette Articles too numerous to mention. Private Hair-Cutting Rooms. Parties waited upon at their own residences.
1868 he's involvd in a case of alledged bribery of voters to vote conservative ad in jan 1869 is declared bankrupt
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Mabel thats brilliant.
Any chance you could post a hyperlink to that site? Felix is a bit of a mystery man. On census records he gives his place of birth alternately as Liverpool or Newry. He died in a work house in Liverpool in 1910 after previously staying with his daughter Minnie Ethel in the city. He appears in several trade directories for Brecon and Didcot but I have failed to find a birth record for him.
Cheers
John
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Got to http://newspapers.library.wales/home and put "felix golden" [including the inverted commas] to do a phrase search on his name. some of the hits will be in Welsh, but all 3 stories I mentioned are ther in English
In his bankruptcy he's a Hairdresser, Perfumer, Cigar and Pipe Dealer, and Fancy Warehouseman
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I think ireland might be the better bet. think this is him in 1861 in Hereford (or possibly Leominster)
RG 9, 1819, 28, 3
he's a servant, hairdresser, b Ireland c1843
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Thanks Mabel,
That looks like a certainty.
Maybe a hairdressers college.
Cheers
John
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On the subject of Eliza and Elizabeth Preece. Is this a coincidence or family tradition. There is an 1841 census record for a Preece family in Allensmoor Hereford.
John Preece 41 Shoe M
Elizabeth Preece 31
Mary 12
Eliza 10
Elizabeth 7
Thomas 6
John 5
Emma 1
Also in Allensmoor in 1841 is a John Preece Shoe M born 1761.
I haven't found an 1841 census records for the couple John Preece 1808 and Elizabeth 1813.
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A possible 1841 census record at Bye Street, St Peters Hereford.
John Preece 30 Shoe M
Elzh 25
(433,8,8,5)