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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Huntingdonshire => Topic started by: pathar505 on Wednesday 30 March 16 16:43 BST (UK)
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My great grandfather, was the illegitimate son of Caroline Ely. He was born in St Ives 1860. Caroline was also born in St Ives but lived in London . Soon after the birth of her son she returned to London and he was brought up in St Ives by his grandparents, John and Mary Ely.
I suspect that he was named John after his grandfather but the middle three names are a puzzle. Was Caroline giving a clue about who his natural father was?
Does anyone recognise those three names?
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Eaton makes me think it might be Eaton Socon, so, say, "Robert Burrows who lives at Eaton Socon"
Having said that, there were some families named Eaton within the general area at the time.
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If Caroline was living in London prior to the birth then maybe the father was too ???
Where/when do you have her in London
Rosie
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Have you seen/got his marriage certificate to see if he wrote a dad on there? I'm guessing not as it's a lot of cost to see if 1cm of paper's empty or not :)
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Hi StanleysChesterton
Thank you for your reply. I had considered the Eaton Socon link, but have not followed that through yet. I did wonder if there might be a remark, written in the margin, by the vicar in the church register so I thought l would request a look-up next as I am not able at this time to visit the RO.
Unfortunately, no father is named on his birth cert. and his grandfather John is named as his father on their marriage cert.
Pat
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Hi Rosie,
Years ago l think I had evidence that she lived with her sister, but unfortunately we had a flood at our house and l lost a lot of my family history records. ( It was before computers). Thinking about it, I may be wrong about her being in London before the birth and she only moved there later.
She married in St Mary's, Lambeth in 1864 and had 2 more children. She kept in touch with her son John and my grandmother told me lots about him but couldn't tell me when or where his mother Caroline died. l believe she was still in London.
Thanks for your input
Pat
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Hi there Pat!
I am doing some family tree research for a neighbour and have come up with a connection to John Robert Burrows Eaton Ely.
I have managed to find out the following :-
He married Emma Welham in St Ives in 1882;
Four children were born between 1883 and 1887;
The family moved here to Chesterfield some time between 1887 and 1892 (for reasons unknown) – five more children were born between 1892 and 1901;
Emma died in 1912 and John probably re-married, to Gertude Robinson;
A further child was born in 1916.
The neighbour is a descendant of Georgina Ely, his sixth child..
If you can confirm (or refute!) any of the above, it would be much appreciated.
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Hello,
John RBE Ely was my gr grandfather and I imagine you are helping either Alan Black's, Walter's or Joan Black's family. One or two of your facts are wrong and l can certainly help you with the family history. Unfortunately , I cannot at the moment because my husband is ill and to top it all , he broke his hip today and is in hospital for the next few days at least. As soon as I can concentrate again on family history I will be in touch.
Pat
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Hi there Pat!
I'm so sorry to hear about your current problems; hopefully your husband will be up and about sooner rather later..
My neighbours are the offspring of Joan Black who sadly died a couple of years ago.
When you feel up to it, I am sure they will be delighted to find out more about their family history.
Kind regards
Phil
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Hello All been looking at this request for sometime now, reguarding Caroline Wright nee Ely 1841-1883, and had help with Rootschat site, you may have the following??????you say you have the marriage of caroline in 1864, at st marys lambeth london, 1D/509.one of her wittnesses was a Jo??
Gawler.???1851 census have a family down in Wicken Market suffolk of John Ely born 1803, wife Mary
Ely born 1800 Litte Stoneham suffolk, in 1871 census of st ives, has John Ely living with them, John Ely was their grandson, born st ives.1881 census st ives living at westwood st st ives.
1871 census rutland st,st mary abbott kensington london.
Caroline Wright, aged 30,son George born1866 kensington, and Amelia dau,1869 Chelsea.1881 census 11 pavillion st Chelsea, with the addition of Henry Day lodger21 from Derbyshire.I think Caroline died in 1883 aged42 death cert is 1a/109 at Kensington.Margaret in Cambs.
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Hello just had another lead from rootschat, ingnore what I have just sent, it seems Caroline married a Smith of all people, will get back to you as and when.Margaret. phew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just had message from Rootschat. 31.3.1901 Riley St Chelsea London
Caroline Smith, aged 60 born St Ives.
Amelia Redinhall???????? aged 31 Chelsea, daughter, lets hope we are on the right track now.??????
Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
Thank you for your replies. l have the family history going back to John Ely's birth and his bapt just before he got married.
He married Mary Pyett and she had a brothe, Lott, who was a builder. He was the oneto move to Suffolk and some of the family followed.John was a gardener in St Ives. Caroline was his daughter and gave birth to John Robert Eaton Burroughs ( Burrows) when she was 20. She moved to London and joined her brother and sister there.She was a dressmaker and JREB always said that she made him a white silk scarf out of one of Queen Victoria 's petticoats.No one believed him because they didn't know how a man from Chesterfield could possibly have any connection with a royal petticoat! Since then, of course,. I have found that it would be quite possible and why would he make up such a story? She married George Wright in 1864 in Lambeth. They lived on Lambeth Walk at the time.
JREB married Emma Welham and they had 11 children, some of who were born in Suffolk and the younger ones were born in Chesterfield. They moved to Chesterfield for work and JRBG and 2 of his sons who at (I think ) Sheepbridge Foundry. He was still a gardener there. After Emma died, he went to live with his youngest daughter in the parish of Hartington.
Hope you found this of interest.
Pat
JRBE married Emma Welham from Buxhall
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Thankyou Pathar505, myself and rootschat were barking up the wrong tree, thankyou Margaret.
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I meant to confirm in my last reply that the census information you have for Caroline Wright in Chelsea and Knightsbridge is correct. Her husband never seems to be around though. I have not researched his whereabouts.
Pat
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Hello Pathar505, if you care to visit Rootschat website, and go to London/Middlesex, this was the help I was recieving from Jamjar, at the weekend, if you have more clues, she is the person who may help, no clues reguarding the hubby of Caroline, not on two census, ????????????.Margaret.
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To all correspondents who replied to my earlier posts, l would like to thank you for your comments and suggestions. Unfortunately, family history had to take a back seat for a while due to my husband's ill health and subsequent death . However, I now have the time and inclination to continue my research.
Regards
Pat
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Hi Pat
I am so sorry to hear about your husband. I am pleased to see you back and hopefully we can make some progress on this query.
Rosie
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you say you have the marriage of caroline in 1864, at st marys lambeth london, 1D/509.one of her wittnesses was a Jo??
Gawler.???
I think that signature is Js L Gawler so probably
Marriages Sep 1849
James Longman Gawler
Lambeth 4 393
Deaths Sep 1866
James L Gawler age 78
Lambeth 1d 260
According to the 1851 census his occupation is Parish Clerk :)
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Hello Phil,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. If you still want that Ely family information, please send me a PM with your address and I will send mail it to you.
Pat